The forced pitch

southendzoneBEE said:
In all seriousness Taquan should be an aback and Oliver our qb.
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It seems like a big deal to me that TO (apparently) can't throw the ball as well as TQM. We really need to complete those wide open 3d and 8 passes to be a competitive offense again.

"Backup plays great in limited situation, must be better than starter, pull him." – every fan ever
 
While I agree that TQM hasn’t displayed the ability to throw that really late pitch that JT5 did (sometimes you thought the play was over only to see the ball flying out of the defenders body), it doesn’t appear that the pitch was on the table in this play.

The A back is never looking for the pitch. He has his back to Marshall all the time. I guess we could have pitched it to the B back but #40 would have easily tackled him for a loss.

This looks like a designed play to me, with a hole being created down the middle for TM to use his speed. Unfortunately, it appears that the left tackle (73?) is unable to do anything to his man (and I think also gets onto the wrong side of him) which forces TM to go farther in the wrong direction giving the non play side LB who is basically lined up at the LOS enough time to come around and tackle him from the side.
 
If you watch the the first video, the chasing end is totally set up for an end around. Do we even still do this anymore? I swear our playbook shrinks every year.
 
Cottrell has six on the second series if TM makes the pitch, but this has become a recurring lament with TM. I may as well copy-and-paste:

"<insert AB name> has a big pickup if TM makes the pitch."
 
Longestdays said:
The forced pitch is so important. JT would force the pitch.

TQM made a lot of good pitches in the Pitt game. But football is a game of inches and GT needs every right read and perfect play it can get.

The big issue is when the defenders shoulders are pointed at the Aback but near the QB? Charge the defender and make him choose you or the ABack. Hopefully he will choose the QB as the pitch is money more often than the QB. Also, this puts the QB running in the right direction. There is nothing behind the QB but big hugging arms that want to give you a bear squeeze. Here is an example of where the force pitch is needed.


TQM needs to work through the hesitancy on "tight" pitches and forcing pitches. He should be looking to pitch... unless a 1st down is right there...
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Know I do like the gifs of the plays you make. This one is perfect to show TM panicking and not trusting the blocking and play call.
 
texstinger said:
Would benefit the school more if you could get CPJ on board and away from GT instead.
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I'm talking about a 50K entry level job for a Tech management alumnus. Not picking up CPJ's 3 million dollar salary.
 

Good luck to an entry level business major making 80K right after graduation. You'd have to have more than a B.S. in Management.
 
TampaBayJacket said:
If you watch the the first video, the chasing end is totally set up for an end around. Do we even still do this anymore? I swear our playbook shrinks every year.
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CPJ had it on the playsheet but he left that back in the hotel room because he didn't want to cheat the announcers out of being able to say "Paul Johnson doesn't carry a playsheet".
 
rghoae said:
While I agree that TQM hasn’t displayed the ability to throw that really late pitch that JT5 did (sometimes you thought the play was over only to see the ball flying out of the defenders body), it doesn’t appear that the pitch was on the table in this play.

The A back is never looking for the pitch. He has his back to Marshall all the time. I guess we could have pitched it to the B back but #40 would have easily tackled him for a loss.

This looks like a designed play to me, with a hole being created down the middle for TM to use his speed. Unfortunately, it appears that the left tackle (73?) is unable to do anything to his man (and I think also gets onto the wrong side of him) which forces TM to go farther in the wrong direction giving the non play side LB who is basically lined up at the LOS enough time to come around and tackle him from the side.
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This isn't a triple option. The backside Aback is blocking inside out on the corner and the pitch goes to the BBack. If TM charges and options off the read key #40, then the pitch goes to Mason and #40 is out of the play. The playside Aback may have gotten enough of his linebacker for this to be a decent play - not sure if this one goes big even with a pitch. Mason would have had to run right behind Cottrell and beat the chipped linebacker plus whatever safety depending on the WR blocking. That said, 5 yards and operating the offense on schedule is a big difference than 1 clumsy yard.

Not sure why people are busting on the left tackle. He owned his man, almost to the ground, and got leverage so when that play goes to the outside, his man is locked up. Their #40 is unblocked on purpose as he is the read.

What I see:
RT gets his man on a cut
RG doesn't get to the LB
C gets held up by the DT
LG slow off the snap, but was in position to block the LB that the RG couldn't get to - but the play went back inside.
LT gets his guy
ABack Cottrell gets his guy
ABack playside gets enough of his guy
Bback had good pitch relationship
WR - out of screen

IMO, this is what CPJ means by we need to be almost perfect. Everyone did a well enough job on this play for a decent gain, but no pitch means crap play.
 
gte490v said:
This isn't a triple option. The backside Aback is blocking inside out on the corner and the pitch goes to the BBack. If TM charges and options off the read key #40, then the pitch goes to Mason and #40 is out of the play. The playside Aback may have gotten enough of his linebacker for this to be a decent play - not sure if this one goes big even with a pitch. Mason would have had to run right behind Cottrell and beat the chipped linebacker plus whatever safety depending on the WR blocking. That said, 5 yards and operating the offense on schedule is a big difference than 1 clumsy yard.

Not sure why people are busting on the left tackle. He owned his man, almost to the ground, and got leverage so when that play goes to the outside, his man is locked up. Their #40 is unblocked on purpose as he is the read.

What I see:
RT gets his man on a cut
RG doesn't get to the LB
C gets held up by the DT
LG slow off the snap, but was in position to block the LB that the RG couldn't get to - but the play went back inside.
LT gets his guy
ABack Cottrell gets his guy
ABack playside gets enough of his guy
Bback had good pitch relationship
WR - out of screen

IMO, this is what CPJ means by we need to be almost perfect. Everyone did a well enough job on this play for a decent gain, but no pitch means crap play.
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It was thread where the LT kept floundering.
https://stingtalk.com/board/threads/run-it-till-you-get-it-right.98034/
 
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