The OL

GTCrew4b said:
In this season Clemson, NC State, Pitt, Wake, Miami, UNC, VPI have all been ranked. Granted that’s not as high a percentage but having a lot of teams ranked at some point isn’t the best barometer for conference parity IMO.
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That’s a good point. They ended up with 4 or 5 ranked at the end of the season. I think if you told someone the ACC crapfest this year had 7 of 14 teams ranked at some point, they’d have chuckled in amusement. The conference sucks too to bottom. We’re gonna have Wake and …….. da U?
 
Really the OL is to blame for the offense. Key is the problem cause even though Uva has a BAD D the OL played well, and look how much we did on Offense same with unc.
 
Two of the OL starters are transfers and they both played on terrible teams before leaving, Tennessee and Vandy. They shouldn’t accept transfers from losing programs unless there’s legitimate talk of a pro football future.
 
ramblinwise1 said:
Only one of those players ever did much on Sunday so it was not great talent after all. Puts more emphasis on the coaching which failed miserably after the FSU meltdown. So your point is CGC is not as bad as CBL? Not much of a point.
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I was pointing out that the talent in 1992 > 2019. Seems to be difficult for some to understand.
 
Tshirt Man said:
What was the quote from Quez? He looked frustrated most of the game.

I sat behind the bench Saturday and the morale of the team looks bad. There was very little emotion. C. Thomas was upset about something and showed some emotion. One of the linemen (I think) not sure which one or who he was yelling at, yelled "just do your ööööing job" after the 2nd vt touchdown. Other than that, they looked liked they were just ready for the pain to end. Most of them came off the field and just sat on the bench not talking much and looking defeated.
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It’s a pretty damning quote to be honest:
“I’m really tired. We’ve just been fishing for answers, like, What’s going on with this? What’s going on with this? At the end of the day, you have to win your one-on-ones and you have to make plays. You’re not going to win a game if you don’t make enough plays because the team on the other side is going to have players who are probably going to make that play that you didn’t make.” – Georgia Tech linebacker Quez Jackson, who had a career-high 16 tackles Saturday
 
BigDanT said:
It’s a pretty damning quote to be honest:
“I’m really tired. We’ve just been fishing for answers, like, What’s going on with this? What’s going on with this? At the end of the day, you have to win your one-on-ones and you have to make plays. You’re not going to win a game if you don’t make enough plays because the team on the other side is going to have players who are probably going to make that play that you didn’t make.” – Georgia Tech linebacker Quez Jackson, who had a career-high 16 tackles Saturday
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Not good. I hope that the staff can figure out some things soon and not lose the players. While the team hasn't played particularly well, I don't think that they have quit. Still a lot of season left.
 
In an AJC “five takeaways” article about the game, Gibbs had a quote where he complimented the OL for doing a great job. I guess that could be a “well, what else is he going to say” quote, but I did find it curious given all our discussion of how the OL is the root of a lot of our problems.

JRjr
 
With a few exceptions, Tech rarely recruited great players out of high school. We found success by coaching them up.

It now seems we are getting better players, but coaching them down.
 
midatlantech said:
I have to think that something is up on the OL:

1) Half were recruited as light fast lineman who are now extremely overweight and slow. Take the weight back off.

2) I have to think something is up between Key andPautenode. Something is just not right.

3) As it stands, it doesn’t take much to overwhelm us.
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Not rocket science:
1. Coaches coaching who are not P5 coaches and should be coaching FCS or should be assistant, assistant coordinators learning underneath better coaches.
2. Players who would not start for 9/10 other P5 programs—-none of which would start for a top 25 football team.

there is no mystery.
 
vapspwi said:
In an AJC “five takeaways” article about the game, Gibbs had a quote where he complimented the OL for doing a great job. I guess that could be a “well, what else is he going to say” quote, but I did find it curious given all our discussion of how the OL is the root of a lot of our problems.

JRjr
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Quite a few of Gibbs runs had nice holes to run thru. That 60 yd run I swear he could have pulled a wagon thru the hole and still not have been touched. Not sure if the OL got worn out in the 2nd half, but at some point there were no holes to be found anywhere.
 
00Burdell said:
That's not what a throwaway game means. It's a game when absolutely nothing works for your team and everything works for the other team. It happens.
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what is an acceptable throw away # of games per season?

for nick saban’s CFP winners, I believe it is zero.

for Phil Jackson, coaching Michael Jordan, 2-3 games at the end of the season.

ponder games where everything works for our opponent, but we are just gonna throw that one away. How many are acceptable to you Double Naught?

that, ma frens, is why double naught calculates exotica, and is dang smart, but is useless …. When he tells us about football.
 
cincyjacket said:
With a few exceptions, Tech rarely recruited great players out of high school. We found success by coaching them up.

It now seems we are getting better players, but coaching them down.
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I don't think we are coaching anybody down. Our pass blocking is much better two years later, now our run blocking is suspect.

We did used to get OL that could play, maybe it's going to take a while for OL kids to want to go to Tech again.
 
whiskey clear said:
Simple fact is this staff is failing. Simple solution is get a decent staff. Tech can’t afford one for a couple reasons. Money, and money. Also Tstan would have to admit he erred and the prideful always struggle with that.

But why fire Collins when you can’t get anything better? Things could actually get worse believe it or not. Collins is a boob but he’s no Bill Lewis.
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well one thing I wish we would do is stop comparing everyone to Bill Lewis. One man's opinion but Lewis is not the bottom feeder here, it is the current staff. As for the old "who we gonna get" cliche, if that is the bar then shut the program down or go down a notch. Many outside the Power 5 teams - Cincinnati, BYU, UCF, etc have done much better. They simply hired better. Oops, forgot, that was O'Leary they hired when he was away from Tech. Heck, at this point, if that is the bar, take the Top 10 ranked FCS teams and throw the dice, my guess is the opposite of yours.... "how can it get any worse?"
 
The Wasp said:
well one thing I wish we would do is stop comparing everyone to Bill Lewis. One man's opinion but Lewis is not the bottom feeder here, it is the current staff. As for the old "who we gonna get" cliche, if that is the bar then shut the program down or go down a notch. Many outside the Power 5 teams - Cincinnati, BYU, UCF, etc have done much better. They simply hired better. Oops, forgot, that was O'Leary they hired when he was away from Tech. Heck, at this point, if that is the bar, take the Top 10 ranked FCS teams and throw the dice, my guess is the opposite of yours.... "how can it get any worse?"
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Lewis has to be the low bar for the modern era, since he took over a reasonably functional program and turned it into a dysfunctional dumpster fire within a couple of years. Collins, as far as I can tell, started in a somewhat more challenging place than Lewis, hasn’t destroyed the locker room, had to weather a bizarre Covid year, and hasn’t quite hit the lows of 1994.

That said, the on-field results for the current staff have got to start looking like something other than a clown show soon or they’ll slip below Lewis simply by dint of the duration of the suckitude and the sheer number of historic losses and bad performances they’re amassing.

JRjr
 
vapspwi said:
Lewis has to be the low bar for the modern era, since he took over a reasonably functional program and turned it into a dysfunctional dumpster fire within a couple of years. Collins, as far as I can tell, started in a somewhat more challenging place than Lewis, hasn’t destroyed the locker room, had to weather a bizarre Covid year, and hasn’t quite hit the lows of 1994.

That said, the on-field results for the current staff have got to start looking like something other than a clown show soon or they’ll slip below Lewis simply by dint of the duration of the suckitude and the sheer number of historic losses and bad performances they’re amassing.

JRjr
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Not sure if this is a fair comparison and is from a different era, but when Bill Curry, he was replacing a coach that was much different than him, but produced decent to mediocre results. Then Curry won 2 games in two years. Then he had some better years with the best being in 1985. Then he went 5-5 and left. Don't want that again either.

Tech seems to swing in a pendulum when hiring coaches. Went from rough Bud Carson, to a slick dressing Bill Fulcher, then to cartwheeling, motorcycling, but proven Pepper Rodgers, then to a boardroom-appropriate, but inexperienced Bill Curry, then to another old school, tough, but experienced Bobby Ross, then to the flavor of the week, looks good on the sideline Bill Lewis, then back to another old school, no nonsense, rough, but inexperienced George O'Leary, then to a more middle-of-the-road, no-scandal, and experienced Chan Gailey, the to another more gruff, not so media friendly Paul Johnson and now the other way again...
 
The Wasp said:
well one thing I wish we would do is stop comparing everyone to Bill Lewis. One man's opinion but Lewis is not the bottom feeder here, it is the current staff. As for the old "who we gonna get" cliche, if that is the bar then shut the program down or go down a notch. Many outside the Power 5 teams - Cincinnati, BYU, UCF, etc have done much better. They simply hired better. Oops, forgot, that was O'Leary they hired when he was away from Tech. Heck, at this point, if that is the bar, take the Top 10 ranked FCS teams and throw the dice, my guess is the opposite of yours.... "how can it get any worse?"
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Or maybe fans like you can go find something else to do until the team wins again, at which point you can come back pretending to be a great GT fan through thick and thick. That way you don’t have to be so miserable all the time.
 
Liberty said:
Quite a few of Gibbs runs had nice holes to run thru. That 60 yd run I swear he could have pulled a wagon thru the hole and still not have been touched. Not sure if the OL got worn out in the 2nd half, but at some point there were no holes to be found anywhere.
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Iirc the ol has zero depth right now
 
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