The Talent Differential

txsting said:
Early season optimism tends to blind people a bit. A couple teams, and Clem is certainly one, have started to distance themselves from us. We are about where we have usually been talent wise, and I would argue the last few classes are swinging us in the right direction. These coaches haven't forgotten anything about football, but we don't have the talent and experience we had in 2014. This could still be a good team, honestly, but we just faced competition that has passed us by.

It's time to give credit to Clemson, they are doing it well and doing it the right way. They are exceptionally well coached. If it wasn't obvious to you before the game, maybe it is now.

What does it mean for Tech? I think we can play with everyone else in the Coastal. It's not out of reach to win the division with this team. The defense really gave us every chance and looks to be at least competitive. Mills is really talented and will improve as well. We will see how well CPJ and co can motivate the troops and get them to bring their best each game.....this is my biggest question mark in the program right now.

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I agree with this assessment. Build on the positives in the second half 7-3 and win the coastal. This team can go 9-3 and maybe, possibly somehow someway with weekly improvement and a little luck get some revenge on Clemson or whoever in the ACCCG.
 
JacketFan77 said:
Shamire is a bust. I was really pulling for the kid, but he's not a full game lineman. I was impressed with his replacement.

These kinds of games can either demoralize your team or show you something to build on. I hope the guys build on that 4th quarter drive. No glitz, no glamor, just a grinding it out drive. I don't know if that was possible in the first half, but I've always felt that we need to always open with that kind of strategy to wear down opposing defenses and open up other attacks in the later stage of the game.
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It was encapsulated at the end of our longest play of the game, a huge run between the tackles, after which 21 other players walked 30 yards back to where Shamire was standing with his hands on his hips and a flag at his feet. I wouldn't call him a bust yet, but he's not the next Shaq like we hoped.
 
BranMart said:
We need to find more money for recruiting. We need to expand our recruiting department. Get to work Stansbury.
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This is the most important part. Our recruiting staff is puny. We are missing out on guys because we don't have enough staff to access players nationwide.
 
We our recruiting as well as we usually do. Are blockers our not blocking well, at all. Gotta step that up in practice.
 
wreckem1990 said:
You guys could always email coach your suggestions. I hear he loves to get emails from fans..... :drink1:tanton@athletics.gatech.edu
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To be honest, I would imagine that if we put a play sheet on the ground and threw darts at it to call plays, we could still come up with 22 yards of offense for the first half. So let's dispense with the whole 'offensive play calling genius" BS.
 
BarrelORum said:
Was extremely evident last night. Don't think I recall a Clemson team that looked that stellar versus GT ever.
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2006 sure felt worse from where I was sitting for it. But last night was also pretty bad.
 
andrew said:
2006 sure felt worse from where I was sitting for it. But last night was also pretty bad.
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2006 was way worse. 2006 made me stop caring about football.

Ooops. Sorry. I got '03 and '06 confused. 2006 still sucked though. Badly. But the Wake game that year was the kick in the dick.
 
The talent differential isn't as great as some might suggest. Our defense did pretty well considering they were on the field for nearly 100 plays.

CPJ has been out coached - plain and simple. His offensive scheme - perimeter blocking, line blocking, and, most importantly, play calling (!!!), have been outmatched by Brent Venables.

Venables nearly predicted every playcall. He knew when we were going to pass, he know when we were going to run the dive, and he know when we were running to the perimeter. In each scenario he had his men in the right spot to make plays. He brought different defensive schemes than last year and CPJ had little response. He has single handedly given us our 2 lowest offensive outputs in CPJ's tenure. He's better than Bud Foster (let that sink in). I fully expect this level of coaching mismatch will continue as long as Venables is at Clemson.
 
BuzzCzar said:
You're wrong, the talent differential is that big
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Clemson as consistently been top 3 recruiting in the conference since CPJ. We have consistently been 8-10. The talent differential hasn't changed, but our winning % has. That is on coaching.
 
ScionOfSouthland said:
Clemson as consistently been top 3 recruiting in the conference since CPJ. We have consistently been 8-10. The talent differential hasn't changed, but our winning % has. That is on coaching.
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Youre dicking around with stats when all you have to do is look at the field to know that im right

You just wanna blame CPJ, which is fine, but your "analysis" cherry picks a few stats and ignores the many many other factors

Recruiting is also CPJ, blame him for that
He didnt have a great evening of play-calling but to dispute the talent gap is just stupid and blind
 
BuzzCzar said:
Youre dicking around with stats when all you have to do is look at the field to know that im right

You just wanna blame CPJ, which is fine, but your "analysis" cherry picks a few stats and ignores the many many other factors

Recruiting is also CPJ, blame him for that
He didnt have a great evening of play-calling but to dispute the talent gap is just stupid and blind
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I haven't cherry picked anything. I agree Clemson has better player than we do. Like I said, Clemson is consistently top 3 in conference and we are consistently 8-10.

The difference is that we used to beat Clemson regardless. That doesn't happen anymore. Why is the "talent differential" suddenly better? It isn't. The gap is the same width it always has been.

The talent gap isn't widening; it is staying the same. What is widening is the coaching gap. Brent Venables owns CPJ's scheme.
 
ScionOfSouthland said:
I haven't cherry picked anything. I agree Clemson has better player than we do. Like I said, Clemson is consistently top 3 in conference and we are consistently 8-10.

The difference is that we used to beat Clemson regardless. That doesn't happen anymore. Why is the "talent differential" suddenly better? It isn't. The gap is the same width it always has been.

The talent gap isn't widening; it is staying the same. What is widening is the coaching gap. Brent Venables owns CPJ's scheme.
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The results are pretty much what they have always been. Win here, lose there. Trade a home loss every decade.

Last night was bad, but nothing new.

We need better OL coaching. And we need OL competition. Our guards should not be this bad.
 
WracerX said:
The results are pretty much what they have always been. Win here, lose there. Trade a home loss every decade.

Last night was bad, but nothing new.

We need better OL coaching. And we need OL competition. Our guards should not be this bad.
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I agree that last night was bad, but disagree that it was nothing new. CPJ's offense used to feel like a machine. More and more, opposing DCs are "getting it". Venables has got it as evidenced by last year and this year's performance. I don't expect that will change,
 
The one successful drive we did have was gutsy but even there was not a tremendous amount to build on. We got 25 yards in penalties that converted a fourth down and nullified an interception. That's on a 75 yard drive.
 
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