There is no doubt about the talent gap

Clifflives10 said:
I truly and completely believe that 100% of our problems is talent. We can't recruit. How long has it been since our last 5 star? Our last 4 star? It shows on the field
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Not sure we’ve ever had a 5 Star besides Calvin.
 
Clifflives10 said:
I truly and completely believe that 100% of our problems is talent. We can't recruit. How long has it been since our last 5 star? Our last 4 star? It shows on the field
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Never had a 5 star. We get a couple of 4 stars each year. We need a couple more.
 
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MACHETE said:
And how do we procure such players? This circular argument has been going on for decades. Time to move on and spend our limited resources on something else.
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It’s going to take a commitment unlike what is happening now. I’m not sure the money is even there to spend to be an elite program.
 
Clifflives10 said:
I truly and completely believe that 100% of our problems is talent. We can't recruit. How long has it been since our last 5 star? Our last 4 star? It shows on the field
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I think we currently have maybe 5 or 6 four star players and it may be less than that. Whatever it is, it isn’t enough.
 
As I said in another thread we need to let the Coach retire and replace the Tech president with someone who cares about the GT.
 
Clifflives10 said:
I truly and completely believe that 100% of our problems is talent. We can't recruit. How long has it been since our last 5 star? Our last 4 star? It shows on the field
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If you really believe that, you are fooling yourself. We may not have the talent to compete with Clemson, but we had more than enough for USF and Pitt. There is no good reason this team should be 1-3.
 
andrew said:
If you really believe that, you are fooling yourself. We may not have the talent to compete with Clemson, but we had more than enough for USF and Pitt. There is no good reason this team should be 1-3.
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Andrew we could be on par with them but why are we even questioning who has better players GT or USF/Pitt? That is already bad so whichever it is doesn't matter.
 
KrazieJacket said:
Andrew we could be on par with them but why are we even questioning who has better players GT or USF/Pitt? That is already bad so whichever it is doesn't matter.
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I'm not questioning it. I think we should have solidly beaten both of them, and the reason we didn't is that we are a poorly coached team.

I did not look at either of those games and think, "man, we are just outmatched", or even that we were similarly matched. I looked at them and saw poorly prepared teams that didn't execute.

Of course either way, it all falls on the coach. The Hill puts plenty of restrictions, but not so much that we can't outrectuit Pitt or USF.
 
Who needs 4 or 5 star recruits when you've got the triple option and the evil genius behind it! Wtf
 
It’d hard for the OL to slow down the rush when they’re flopping around like fish out of water. Snap after snap those fuckheads would crumble at the snap and try to nibble Clemson shoe laces. ööööing joke.
 
The scheme isn’t giving us a competitive advantage when it only works every four years
 
andrew said:
I'm not questioning it. I think we should have solidly beaten both of them, and the reason we didn't is that we are a poorly coached team.

I did not look at either of those games and think, "man, we are just outmatched", or even that we were similarly matched. I looked at them and saw poorly prepared teams that didn't execute.

Of course either way, it all falls on the coach. The Hill puts plenty of restrictions, but not so much that we can't outrectuit Pitt or USF.
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We have serious holes in key spots. The modern way that football teams fill these spots is through quick transfers from junior colleges. GT and CPJ mostly cannot do this. Let's take the easiest example we have kicker. Are those guys failing due to coaching or is it because we should have better kickers? I mean the amount of PATs being missed I'm having a very difficult time putting that on the coaching.
I'm not saying you are wrong but I'm not sure any amount of coaching is fixing some of our problems. Recruiting needs to be better and I feel CPJ/Stansbury agree this is something that has fallen between the cracks at GT. Take an Alcorn State, we drill them. They look out of place much of the time. Is this because they are poorly prepared? Again man I'm not trying to say either of us are right or wrong. I'm saying when the guy across from you is wearing you out it's easy for to look like you were not coached well. Because you just can't physically able to do what you were coached to do. In some spots USF was better than us man to man as well as Pitt. Our guys are also making poor decisions sometimes and that can be attributed to coaching. But that is why the line between winning and losing is so small for this team.
 
KrazieJacket said:
We have serious holes in key spots. The modern way that football teams fill these spots is through quick transfers from junior colleges. GT and CPJ mostly cannot do this. Let's take the easiest example we have kicker. Are those guys failing due to coaching or is it because we should have better kickers? I mean the amount of PATs being missed I'm having a very difficult time putting that on the coaching.
I'm not saying you are wrong but I'm not sure any amount of coaching is fixing some of our problems. Recruiting needs to be better and I feel CPJ/Stansbury agree this is something that has fallen between the cracks at GT. Take an Alcorn State, we drill them. They look out of place much of the time. Is this because they are poorly prepared? Again man I'm not trying to say either of us are right or wrong. I'm saying when the guy across from you is wearing you out it's easy for to look like you were not coached well. Because you just can't physically able to do what you were coached to do. In some spots USF was better than us man to man as well as Pitt. Our guys are also making poor decisions sometimes and that can be attributed to coaching. But that is why the line between winning and losing is so small for this team.
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The problem is coaching and talent. Yes we could be marginally better with a better coach, but that's only half the battle. We need better athletes period and coaching/recruiting only gets you so far when Tech handcuffs itself with academic restrictions.
 
KrazieJacket said:
We have serious holes in key spots. The modern way that football teams fill these spots is through quick transfers from junior colleges. GT and CPJ mostly cannot do this. Let's take the easiest example we have kicker. Are those guys failing due to coaching or is it because we should have better kickers? I mean the amount of PATs being missed I'm having a very difficult time putting that on the coaching.
I'm not saying you are wrong but I'm not sure any amount of coaching is fixing some of our problems. Recruiting needs to be better and I feel CPJ/Stansbury agree this is something that has fallen between the cracks at GT. Take an Alcorn State, we drill them. They look out of place much of the time. Is this because they are poorly prepared? Again man I'm not trying to say either of us are right or wrong. I'm saying when the guy across from you is wearing you out it's easy for to look like you were not coached well. Because you just can't physically able to do what you were coached to do. In some spots USF was better than us man to man as well as Pitt. Our guys are also making poor decisions sometimes and that can be attributed to coaching. But that is why the line between winning and losing is so small for this team.
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I'd have a very tough time putting PATs on anything but coaching, because I feel even a D3 kicker should be able to kick college PATs extremely consistently.

I do understand your point, and it is especially salient in the game we saw today, where there is no doubt Clemson was leagues better than us at almost every position. In a game like Pitt though, where we outgained them 602 yards to 426 yards and still managed to lose by double digits -- I think that's a game we could easily win with better coaching.

But perhaps that is only the difference between what is likely a 3-9 season and a 6-6 season, which we wouldn't be satisfied with anyway. There's no doubt that if we want to compete for ACC titles consistently we need to recruit better.
 
andrew said:
If you really believe that, you are fooling yourself.
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Not really. Take the emotion out of it and look at the data as a whole. I'd say this team is among the least talented of CPJ's tenure. We have no one who stands out talent wise on offense and maybe two guys on defense (Henderson and Carpenter).

When we've had some talent CPJ has delivered results. When I think back on all of the recruiting misses I think we're really feeling the effects for the past 3 seasons. Several touted B-backs (Cutsis, Mills and others I can't remember, Autry at WR, Tuitt at DE. Those are just the ones that come to mind and I'm sure I'm forgetting others. And the issues with those guys didn't come down to them not wanting to play in our offensive system. We've lost most of our talented recruits for various reasons that CPJ could do nothing about. I get that he's the head coach so it's going to fall on him anyway, but we've had enough good seasons to see the difference compared to this season.
 
andrew said:
I'd have a very tough time putting PATs on anything but coaching, because I feel even a D3 kicker should be able to kick college PATs extremely consistently.

I do understand your point, and it is especially salient in the game we saw today, where there is no doubt Clemson was leagues better than us at almost every position. In a game like Pitt though, where we outgained them 602 yards to 426 yards and still managed to lose by double digits -- I think that's a game we could easily win with better coaching.

But perhaps that is only the difference between what is likely a 3-9 season and a 6-6 season, which we wouldn't be satisfied with anyway. There's no doubt that if we want to compete for ACC titles consistently we need to recruit better.
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What is a coach supposed to do when you are missing PATs? This is automatic across the country for many high schools. I mean, hire more or better coaches to work with them or get better kickers. PAT is not anything that should be difficult or need much coaching. The blocking could be bad, the hold could be bad. But guys missing more than one PAT is just sorry. The kickers have no excuse that could point to coaching or even a lack of coaching. I can or could at one point kick them.
 
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