Thoughts on Reggie Ball and Coaching Staff

If the players still choose the captains, it says something about Reggie that he was elected. Whatever we may think from the outside, it's how the players look at him that's most important to the team.
 
jacketup said:
You've hit on the problem, even if by accident. There is a huge difference between professional coaches and college coaches, and professional players and college student athletes.
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My use of the word "professional" was not intended to be as in "professional" versus "collegiate" but rather "professional" versus the "amateur" coaches on this forum.

That being said I think if you studied CCG's resume you would find the majority of his experience is in the college ranks:

2002-Present Head Coach Georgia Tech
2000-2001 Offensive Coordinator Miami Dolphins
1998-1999 Head Coach Dallas Cowboys
1994-1997 Wide Receivers Coach & Offensive Coordinator Pittsburgh Steelers
1993 Head Coach Samford
1991-1992 Head CoachBirmingham Fire (WLAF)
1986-1990 Special Teams Coach, Quarterback Coach & Offensive Coordinator Denver Broncos
1983-1984 Head Coach Troy
1979-1982 Assistant Coach & Defensive Coordinator Air Force
1974-1978 Secondary Coach Troy

Furthermore, I would suggest his overall credo is more in line with the college game rather than the professional game. Chan's strong character is more beneficial in the college game where he has the opportunity to mold younger players rather than try to change overpaid and set-in-their-ways professionals.

All IMHO...Mike
 
BarrelORum said:
Sorry Tampa if you don't like it but the evidence speaks for itsef regarding Gailey and his poor personnel decisions. Uness there is total failure, do we see positive change which tells me Gailey cannot correctly evaluate personnel until its too late. This is and has been his biggest weakness. I think Gailey has a ton of leadership qualities and charisma which explains why parents, players and coaches love him so.

But lets look at his personnel decisions.
He wanted Rick Smith as DC, and Rick Smith turned in the WORST defense in all of D-1 football with LaTech. Thank God that his resume was fudged or what do you think our record would be had we had Smith instead of Tenuta?

Or we can look at Dave Wilson who was in charge of recruiting AND special teams. It was apparent to everyone at the Edge building long before we finally tossed out Wilson, that he was the laziest person in the entire Athletic Department. Yet it took 3 years of crap recruiting and sorry special teams before we replaced him. And I'm not sure had Gailey not gotten pressure from the outside whether he would have replaced him. He let this clown single handedly screw us right up the ass with his recruiting strategies. Wilson had no business being at GT.

Then you have Gailey not hiring a QB coach or OC because he wanted to do the job himself after he already admitted this same failure with the Cowboys. Which begs the question whether or not Gailey can learn from his mistakes.

More recently last year people were begging Gailey to FIRE Nix and get a real OC. What does Gailey do? He removes himself after 3 years of putrid offenses, and names Nix the full time OC. What we found out this year is what many of us already knew. Nix is in way over his head.

Not to mention Robinson who was dead weight on the staff, but now we are on to Reggie. An up and down QB who doesn't seem to possess at least to the casual oberserver to have the leadership abilities necessary to be a Team Captain. Yet there he is each week with the Big "C" on his uniform indicating that he is a team leader. A team leader who time and again has talked more smack on the field than anyone in the history of GT football. A team leader who as "eye witness" accounts have reported, rarely went to class, walked out of class early and often if he showed up at all, and was rude to classmates. On top of that this leader fails out of school.

I'm sorry Tampa, its not like I'm making unfounded accusations. Its quite simply a concern and Gailey needs to correct it.
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Very nice try at deflection. Let's recall your first post where you used the Ball captainship as evidence of a percieved weakenss in personnel decisions in Gailey...

Now, I responded suggesting that perhaps Gailey knows better than you or I --or-- the team elected the captains. I believe it is the latter, which would then invalidate, on its face, your using the Ball captainship in support of your pre-formed conclusion.

I think you realized your mistake, and rather than discuss the issue at hand, you go completely off the deep end showing several examples of what you feel are personnel mistakes, yet you completely ignore the questions I presented in my original response. Why is that?

Because it doesn't fit your pre-existing conclusion about Chan, his coaching/management style and his ability to get the job done, that's why.

The reason why parents and kids and coaches love playing for Coach Gailey is the very same reason you vilify him. He sticks by his guns, believes in people, and gives them room to do their job. I would suggest that it is this very same management style that led to his success.

He is not a tinkerer, and he's not one to quickly give up on somebody. While true that he made a few mistakes in early personnel choice when he arrived, he also corrected each one of those mistakes. I think your biggest problem is that he doesn't act on these realizations as quickly as you or others would like, but again, I see this as being an effective manager and giving people the opportunity to correct their mistakes and grow from them rather than to cut and run at the first sign of trouble.

What type of person would you rather work/play for?

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the fact that he is a CAPTAIN says that Gailey has not a clue as to making the correct personnel calls.
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wtf?

He's a 4 year starter at QB. All 4 year starters at QB at every school in history are Captains.
 
beej67 said:
wtf?

He's a 4 year starter at QB. All 4 year starters at QB at every school in history are Captains.
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Nice use of facts vs. opinion. Why don't you go tho hell? You make incorrect statements such as this and try to play them off as fact. You must be a woman because logic eludes you.
 
Rofl. Slam my "logic" in a post with incorrect spelling. Nice one dude.

Name me 5 quarterbacks in the history of NCAA Div1 football who were 4 year starters and weren't captains their senior year. Put an asterisk beside any of them that were in the top 5 of their school in career wins, just for reference.

**** it, name me one.


..or..

..go away.


There is absolutely no way Reggie wasn't going to be a captain this year, and anyone who makes a claim that Chan is somehow a horrid coach for making his four year starting quarterback a captain has lost their goddamn mind.
 
Actually guys, unless something's changed, the team elects captains. If that's true, it doesn't have anything to do with Chan.
 
Tampa, Captain or no Captain, Gailey kept playing ball wuthout benching him. So regardless of whether or not he appointed him Captain, he still kept him in the game which was totally irresponsible.
 
BarrelORum said:
Tampa, Captain or no Captain, Gailey kept playing ball wuthout benching him. So regardless of whether or not he appointed him Captain, he still kept him in the game which was totally irresponsible.
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I thought we had an agreement about your language...then you say this. I'm disappointed. :(

Come on, BOR -- to call it "irresponsible" is prejudicial and wrong. You can disagree with the decision, but to sit in judgement implies you can predict the future or know better -- and you don't.

I appreciate your passion, but please try and be more fair in your writing. Happy hoildays!..Mike

p.s. nice backpeddle. ;)
 
beej67 said:
Rofl. Slam my "logic" in a post with incorrect spelling. Nice one dude.

Name me 5 quarterbacks in the history of NCAA Div1 football who were 4 year starters and weren't captains their senior year. Put an asterisk beside any of them that were in the top 5 of their school in career wins, just for reference.

**** it, name me one.


..or..

..go away.


There is absolutely no way Reggie wasn't going to be a captain this year, and anyone who makes a claim that Chan is somehow a horrid coach for making his fou year starting quarterback a captain has lost their goddamn mind.
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The word "to" was misspelled. Normally that would be considered a typo.

You are the one who made the assertion that there isn't another four year starting qb who wasn't made a captain. You were then told that the captains are chosen by the team, yet you still blame Gailey. I challenged your premise of a four year starter being automatically named a captain. Once again you were WRONG.

You need not look back more than a couple of years and don't have to leave the ACC to find a four year starting qb who was not named a captain of the team. Try Chris Rix:eek: and add some astericks for being in the top five winningest qb's in FSU history. I'm sure there are many examples in football history.

Now you go away. Try bringing facts next time you open your mouth.
 
ncjacket said:
Actually guys, unless something's changed, the team elects captains. If that's true, it doesn't have anything to do with Chan.
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Good grief...as much as I do not want to join in this ridiculous thread with folks making ludicrous reaches to drive through a long beheld agenda...why stop now I suppose.

First point...the team elects the permanent captains and Reggie Ball was elected.

Second point...as much as it may be difficult for us to believe (including myself), Reggie has always been EXTREMELY loved by the team...a very popular figure. Yes...some players were emotional after the last two games....but I would not confuse emotions with some deep hatred because that is not the case. He is fun to be around. I wish I could find the pic from a Halloween frat party that showed Taylor Bennett as the hot dog, Reggie Ball as the ketchup, and I cannot remember who the mustard was (want to say a kicker)...and they all looked a bit woozy...but kid-like costumes I would not be caught dead in.

Third point...Reggie Ball is not a thug or an idiot. He is actually well-spoken, has zero off-field trouble, and will earn his degree from GT in 1.5 semesters. He is not his brother Marcus. Is Reggie over-confident?...yes. Does he lose his cool in games that are vitally important to him?...yes. Does he go around off the field 'Clemson-FSU-Miami-UGA-Tennessee style' pulling down DUI's, drunk and disorderly chargers, assaults, thefts, rapes, etc....absolutely not. Could he have gone the wrong way if not in the right college football family?...maybe...but he did not.

Fourth...the Reggie-era is over...so lets see whats next. Was he the best QB in GT history...absolutely not....and no one will ever top Joe....just like no WR will ever come close to CJ. We do have to give him some credit for a 33% increase in point production this year (18 to 24)...he also led us to 30 or more points in 6 games this year after having a total of 7 in the previous 3 seaons all combined. Plus...in ACC games only Georgia Tech had the number one scoring offense in the conference at 26.6 points per game. Yes...the ACC was down....but 11 offenses were worse than ours.

Am I glad we are moving on?...yes. Is it easier to be a GT fan during these times than those from 1973-1989 and 1992-1996?...absolutely. Do I agree 100% with how the QB situation was handled over the years?...no. Will I ever agree 100% with the moves of any head coach?...no. Are more things going right than going wrong?...absolutely.
 
BOR, my only problem with your post is that you're starting to look like Geetee. That is, throw out a bunch of allegations, tie them all together, and then when people point out that all of them aren't true, you resort to, "so what, this one thing is in my opinion so my point stands". I happen to agree that Chan should have been benching Reggie when his play was bad. But that doesn't mean that everything else you've "accused" him of is also true. If your whole point is Reggie's playing time, then stick with it.
 
I would have benched Ball, and I don't understand why he wasn't benched. Do I know better? No, you are right, I don;t know the inner workings of the team.

HOWEVER, The fact that Chan had either 1.) faith that Reggie would turn it around after being so miserable for so long OR 2.) Knew that we did not have a better choice (Pick your posion) is irresponsible and borders on downright incompetency.

Which one is it? Because its either scenario 1.) or scenario 2.) Either one is unflaterring for a coach and smells of problems.

you can give me hell all you want to, Chan very well may have not elected Ball a Captain, but I still stand by my personnel comments. Chan has made some very VERY poor decisions regarding personnel and it has been an issue since he has been here in one respect or another. To sweep that under the rug is wrong. Are you saying its not a problem? I don't understand what you are arguing.
 
nc, I'm not throwing out accusations. Ok, I'm wrong, Chan did not appoint Reggie captain. That still doesn't relieve of us of the FACT that we have had continuous personnel problems stemming from Chan's decisions. And taking a step back and looking at this problem, Reggie Ball not being benched at some point falls under this category.

I'm not accusing anyone, I'm simply pointing out a VERY REAL problem with our team and asking Coach and DRAD to fix it, because each year it bites us in the ass. I'm not asking for DRAD to fire Gailey for God's sake.
 
You are the one who made the assertion that there isn't another four year starting qb who wasn't made a captain.
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Thanks for naming one who wasn't. I'm certainly not going to name every one who was. Yes, I said the word "all," intending to mean "essentially all," and you named a guy who slept through his finals causing him to miss the bowl game his junior year. Yay for you.

You were then told that the captains are chosen by the team, yet you still blame Gailey.
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Lol, reading comperehnsion dude. Reading comprehension. I'm defending Gailey, and attacking anyone that thinks Gailey is clueless for picking Reggie captain, whether he actually did the "picking" or not. No matter who picked captains this year, Reggie is a logical choice.
 
BarrelORum said:
I would have benched Ball, and I don't understand why he wasn't benched. Do I know better? No, you are right, I don;t know the inner workings of the team.

HOWEVER, The fact that Chan had either 1.) faith that Reggie would turn it around after being so miserable for so long OR 2.) Knew that we did not have a better choice (Pick your posion) is irresponsible and borders on downright incompetency.

Which one is it? Because its either scenario 1.) or scenario 2.) Either one is unflaterring for a coach and smells of problems.

you can give me hell all you want to, Chan very well may have not elected Ball a Captain, but I still stand by my personnel comments. Chan has made some very VERY poor decisions regarding personnel and it has been an issue since he has been here in one respect or another. To sweep that under the rug is wrong. Are you saying its not a problem? I don't understand what you are arguing.
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Thank you for admitting your wrong and restating your position in a more factually accurate way.

You're still not quite there, as you've again judged when you are in no postion to and jumped to several incorrect conclusions (for instance the relationship between 1) and 2) above could be AND rather than OR, and it does not follow that it is irresponsible or unflattering as those are judgements not facts), but rather than dwell on them them, I'm just going to say thank you for considering my point of view.

And for the record, I have given you (and others) no more hell than you have given our players and coaches, but I have used no fallacious arguments or generalizations, and I did it to you where you have an opportunity to respond.

Think about the previous paragraph, and that will give you some insight into why I respond to you the way that I do.

Have a nice holiday....Mike
 
Tampa, you've done a lot to try to hammer at me and my arguement without doing anything at all to tell me EXACTLY where the hell am I wrong?

You are obviously very close to the program to tell me I have jumped to incorrect conclusions. Other than Gailey naming Ball captain (which hasn't been proven to be incorrect) where is anything that I've said incorrect? Or where have I come up with an incorrect conclusion? Maybe it differs from your opinion. That doesn;t make it incorrect.

So when you begin to make an arguement that I am wrong in some way, I'll start to listen. Until then, I'll just assume that my observations as well as many other people's observations, are correct.

There are unflattering things about this staff and program that you and others are going to have to come to grips with. You're attitude is that if you are not on the field calling the plays, you are in no position to question. Attitudes like that will net us another 5 years of trying to rationalize end of the season meltdowns and losses to UGA. I'm not saying that is what you are doing, but I can recognize SH*T even when its GOLD plated and served on a Caviar plate. The performance of this staff the last 4 games of the season was quite simply SH*T. Now tell me it wasn't and that I have no idea what I'm talking about. Otherwise, stop trying to play my personal Posting guide about showing me what is the correct way and incorrect way to post about Chan Gailey and GT.
 
BarrelORum said:
Tampa, you've done a lot to try to hammer at me and my arguement without doing anything at all to tell me EXACTLY where the hell am I wrong?

You are obviously very close to the program to tell me I have jumped to incorrect conclusions. Other than Gailey naming Ball captain (which hasn't been proven to be incorrect) where is anything that I've said incorrect? Or where have I come up with an incorrect conclusion? Maybe it differs from your opinion. That doesn;t make it incorrect.

So when you begin to make an arguement that I am wrong in some way, I'll start to listen. Until then, I'll just assume that my observations as well as many other people's observations, are correct.

There are unflattering things about this staff and program that you and others are going to have to come to grips with. You're attitude is that if you are not on the field calling the plays, you are in no position to question. Attitudes like that will net us another 5 years of trying to rationalize end of the season meltdowns and losses to UGA. I'm not saying that is what you are doing, but I can recognize SH*T even when its GOLD plated and served on a Caviar plate. The performance of this staff the last 4 games of the season was quite simply SH*T. Now tell me it wasn't and that I have no idea what I'm talking about. Otherwise, stop trying to play my personal Posting guide about showing me what is the correct way and incorrect way to post about Chan Gailey and GT.
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BOR,

Please don't tell me what to do or jump to conclusions about me again. First, I won't listen to you, and second, it doesn't do much for the effectiveness of your argument...

I stated you were wrong about your conclusions concerning Ball's captainship. You admitted being wrong a few posts above.

Then to try and dig yourself out of the hole above, you brough up a bunch of personnel decisions to try and show that you really were right. I disagreed and I was very clear in my reasoning, and asked you a very pointed question to try and give you some insight into why exactly I disagreed with you, yet you chose to ignore it.

Then I stated you were wrong judging our coach as irrresponsible, not only because of the fallacy in your basis, but because to do so assumes you know better. Again, it has nothing to do with your observations, but rather the conclusions you draw from them and how you communicate those conclusions.

So let's summarize your mistakes:

1) Assuming Ball was chosen by Gailey to serve as captain. (Factually incorrect)

2) Using the above incorrect assumption to draw the conclusion that Gailey was irresponsible. (Incorrect basis, and slanderously characterizing your opinion as fact).

Is that clear enough?

To sum it up, there's a big difference between saying "BOR is retarted" and "I think BOR is retarted". One is slander, the other is a factual representation of opinion. It seems to me you don't see the difference. That is the crux of my argument with you.

I'll make you a deal -- stop misrepresenting your opinion as the truth and judging those who you have no right to judge and I'll stop pointing out your misrepresentations and judgements.

If you won't agree to the above deal, please don't get angry if I continue to point out the errors in your logic and defend those you slander...Mike

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Well, let me sum it up in much less time. Gailey was irresponsible in playing Ball which was my arguement. I may have incorrectly supported that arguement by stating Gailey made him a Captain, which still hasn't been confirmed, although likely it is. If Gailey was not irresponsible, I'd like to hear how.

Merry Christmas.
 
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