To all the "proud Reggie Ball apologists" from last season

The best our offense was last year was when Reggie was healthy enough to run the spread, sort of like WVU. Early on he was a dual threat, after he was hurt, he only ran when he had to.

I agree that we should have been using a different QB, at least part of the time. Whether TB was ready for that or not, I don't know. But I do know it's easy to look at Taylor now and assume he would have played the same last year. What I don't know is whether that is a correct assumption. According to reports from practice last year he really came on during the week leading up to the Duke game. Where his game was before that I don't know.
 
RB was the 8th leading rusher in the conference at mid season (including all running backs and all QBs). We stayed with him in tight games, and comeback games, and were 9-2 and went to the Championship Game (with lower level talent around the QB, except for one).

Do you take this QB out of a tight game where the lead goes back and forth (knowing you have come back to win in several games earlier in the year?). (Any sane coach will say NO. In the case of a loss, second guessers will always say yes.)

Actually, you don't have to answer. We experienced the answer:
TB came into the Gator Bowl and played well in the first half with CJ (analogous to RB's first half of the season) and ended up losing the game in the second half. He did not come back!
Should we not have considered pulling TB in the second half of the Gator Bowl?
Why not, Second Guessers, we lost?

Further, it is interesting that people think our defense was better than the offense last year. That is simply not true. The records shows that Tech's offense last year (with RB) was 3rd in the conference. The defense was 6th. This was also displayed in the Gator Bowl. The O played well against a poor D(early), and the D played poorly against a 1/2 speed (no Steve Slaton) offense.

There is no doubt, the biggest question mark for Tech next year is with the defense, just like this past year.
 
BCWreck...since you like to ask questions, I have a couple for you.

How were we 9-2 when we went to the championship game if we played 12 games in the regular season? Since you like to cite specific examples, why did our great offense put up 7 against UNC(only team in the nation to put up less than 28 on them, including Duke), 12 against UGA, and 6 against Wake Forest? Why do you say that Taylor lost the Gator Bowl for us, then basically say the D lost us the game?

I think what you have to remember is you can make statistics say anything. You are using full season statistics when it is very obvious that Reggie's performance(and the offense as a whole) dipped drastically during and after the Clemson game(apparently due to injury).

I think you are alone in saying that our defense was worse than our offense last year...that is a very odd thing to say. I'd also like to know what criteria you use for saying that everyone around Reggie was worse than him besides CJ. What exactly would you consider Tashard Choice, who single handedly won the UNC game for us, produced almost all of our offense in the UGA game, and finished the final 10 games of the season with 9 100 yard rushing games? Also, how can the biggest question mark of last season have been the defense when everyone except for one player of the offense was worse than what many consider to be the worst college QB last year(analysts and fans combined)? You seem to contradict yourself a lot....
 
BCWRECK didn't say 9-2 when we went to the championship game. He said that we were 9-2 and went to the the championship game.

We also scored plenty of points against VPI, UVA, Maryland, Miami and NC State. Before the UGA game, Reggie helped Georgia Tech achieve three comebacks, the most of any team in the nation last year. And while his completion percentage was bad, he also had a good TD/INT ratio before the UGA game.

BTW, here were lines for the QBs who played UGA before and after Reggie.

Cox - 4/12 35 yds. 1 TD 4 INT
Glennon - 13/26 94 yds. 0 TD 3 INT

Sorry to say it, but the QBs who played WVU did a whole lot better than the QBs who played UGA at the end of the season. UGA's pass defense had something to do Reggie's troubles and WVU's pass defense had something to do with Taylor's great first half.

Then, also consider that Taylor took few of the first team snaps and that he didn't have the four weeks of practice after the UGA game. Reggie sucked against UGA, but it's certainly a tall order for TB to have done better than Cox or Glennon in his second real college game.
 
Hey, I said before I completely understand not benching Reggie when he had that winning record(though personally I think a threat can be a wakeup call a la Rex Grossman). I just think it is a dumb thing to say that our defense was the problem last year. Though I also don't think that UGA's pass defense had much to do with it...unless Wake and UNC had better pass defenses than I thought. A (debatably) good game against NCSU doesn't mean that the UGA game was the result of their stellar pass defense.
 
BCWRECK said:
RB was the 8th leading rusher in the conference at mid season (including all running backs and all QBs). We stayed with him in tight games, and comeback games, and were 9-2 and went to the Championship Game (with lower level talent around the QB, except for one).

Do you take this QB out of a tight game where the lead goes back and forth (knowing you have come back to win in several games earlier in the year?). (Any sane coach will say NO. In the case of a loss, second guessers will always say yes.)

Actually, you don't have to answer. We experienced the answer:
TB came into the Gator Bowl and played well in the first half with CJ (analogous to RB's first half of the season) and ended up losing the game in the second half. He did not come back!
Should we not have considered pulling TB in the second half of the Gator Bowl?
Why not, Second Guessers, we lost?

Further, it is interesting that people think our defense was better than the offense last year. That is simply not true. The records shows that Tech's offense last year (with RB) was 3rd in the conference. The defense was 6th. This was also displayed in the Gator Bowl. The O played well against a poor D(early), and the D played poorly against a 1/2 speed (no Steve Slaton) offense.

There is no doubt, the biggest question mark for Tech next year is with the defense, just like this past year.

The questions you pose aren't as tough to answer as you believe. The score doesn't tell the story about an individual player's performance. So, do you pull a QB when you are winning in a tight game? Yes, if the QB is performing poorly and we are winning in spite of him instead of because of him. Do you pull a QB if you are losing, no matter what the margin? No, if the QB is performning well and the troubles are elsewhere (defense, special teams, running game, etc.)

If we were winning a tight game with Tashard Choice rushing for 1 yard on 15 carries then I would say it is time to try a different RB, regardless of the score.

Quite SANE and effective coaches pull QBs all the time when that QB is having trouble, and at other times just to change things up for the defense. The change up works quite well when you have different styles of QB. I recall Clemson did a number on us when they changed QBs and our defense never adjusted. [I would bet that Reggie would have played better overall if he had been pulled a few times.]

No second guessing here on the Gator Bowl. We didn't lose that game because of QB performance.

P.S.
I agree that the perception of our defense outstrips the reality. They stopped some teams cold, but could not diagnose others. It is a high risk defense, and I accept that. I also accept that high risk defenses often are hiding deficiencies in one area or another. If we played a vanilla defense things would have been much worse IMO.
 
Can we all agree to disagree and let this subject go? Reggie played hard and the results are what they were. This issue is still too emotionally charged and more time and seasons need to go by before his legacy is determined. My guess is that some of us will remember the Auburn, Clemson, and Miami wins while others will recall the Georgia, Duke, and Wake games. It was exciting in that it was unpredictable. Now let's focus on the future.
 
GT1992 said:
Can we all agree to disagree and let this subject go? Reggie played hard and the results are what they were. This issue is still too emotionally charged and more time and seasons need to go by before his legacy is determined. My guess is that some of us will remember the Auburn, Clemson, and Miami wins while others will recall the Georgia, Duke, and Wake games. It was exciting in that it was unpredictable. Now let's focus on the future.
I think the Reggie legacy will be the years he played Ga.He did not help his chances with the media after last years Ga game and Chan should have not played him hurt.Look at the facts,richt played three qbs last year and Steve S played two.When they found the combination they stuck with it.We went to far with Reggie and thats offenseive coaches and head coaches fault.Theron SApp was called the Droughtbuster for scoring against tech in 57 and is still remembered.Reggie will have his shortcoming played over his sucesses in the coming years .Sad but this is how fans are.
 
knoxjacket said:
If Taylor was not ready then someone should have been. Blame it on bad recruiting or bad development, but the fact is we should have had a better quarterback than what we had. That's on the coach.
You have hit the nail on the head.How many coaches in america would have had no expierenced backup qb in case somebody got hurt.As far as TB in the GATOR ,i thought he did verry well.I saw nothing but a great effort and dont think TB had anything to do with losing the game.Defense couldnt handle the speed of West Va and wore us out.
 
BCWRECK said:
TB came into the Gator Bowl and played well in the first half with CJ (analogous to RB's first half of the season) and ended up losing the game in the second half. He did not come back!
Should we not have considered pulling TB in the second half of the Gator Bowl?
Why not, Second Guessers, we lost?

If you watched the Gator Bowl you would know what a misguided comment this is.
The Gator Bowl was lost because of:

*A pourous defense that gave up over 400 yards. The TB led GT offense had put up a 35-17 lead early in the 3rd. But as was the case too many times last year poor KO coverage gave WVA the ball at the 40. WVA then went on a two-play scoring drive to cut the lead to 35-24.
*This was followed by a bad punt that gave WVA the ball near midfield.
*WVA scored again to cut the lead to 35-31.
*Then came, IMO, the play of the game, that freak turnover on the ensuing KO that gave WVA the ball. But the nail-in-the-coffin was the 15 yard unsportsmanlike penalty on GT that gave WVA the ball inside GT's 20. GT had lost their poise at this point (not to mention momentum) and WVA scored three plays later to go up 38-35.

After WVA took the lead TB went 6-9, completing a pass inside the WVA 20 that was negated by a holding penalty, but did throw an INT three plays later.

On GT's last drive TB completed a pass inside the WVA 30, but a block in the back call negated the play and the other TB missed a long field goal that would have tied the game.

No, CCG should not have considered pulling TB in the second half of the Gator Bowl. He played a fine game, but the team overall did not.
 
GT65_UGA89 said:
If you watched the Gator Bowl you would know what a misguided comment this is.
The Gator Bowl was lost because of:

*A pourous defense that gave up over 400 yards. The TB led GT offense had put up a 35-17 lead early in the 3rd. But as was the case too many times last year poor KO coverage gave WVA the ball at the 40. WVA then went on a two-play scoring drive to cut the lead to 35-24.
*This was followed by a bad punt that gave WVA the ball near midfield.
*WVA scored again to cut the lead to 35-31.
*Then came, IMO, the play of the game, that freak turnover on the ensuing KO that gave WVA the ball. But the nail-in-the-coffin was the 15 yard unsportsmanlike penalty on GT that gave WVA the ball inside GT's 20. GT had lost their poise at this point (not to mention momentum) and WVA scored three plays later to go up 38-35.

After WVA took the lead TB went 6-9, completing a pass inside the WVA 20 that was negated by a holding penalty, but did throw an INT three plays later.

On GT's last drive TB completed a pass inside the WVA 30, but a block in the back call negated the play and the other TB missed a long field goal that would have tied the game.

No, CCG should not have considered pulling TB in the second half of the Gator Bowl. He played a fine game, but the team overall did not.

This is an excellent and obvious post. Well done.
 
You hit the nail right on the head.Hate to kick the d since they have saved our butts time and again,but they had a bad second half especially special teams.I ,for one,think TB is going to be fine.Later dude.
 
Actually mack, most coaches don't have a backup QB ready. We never had anyone ready to go if JoeHam was injured, witness the FSU game when he went down. And who was ready to step in if Goose had gotten hurt? What happened to ugag last year when they were playing multiple QBs?
 
They finished the season beating their top 5 ranked rival Auburn, their in-state rival GT, and winning their bowl game. They struggled a lot when they were trying to figure out what QB to use...but imagine if they had just stuck with Joe T through the whole season. I think the point was that they DID have backup QBs ready...that's why Joe T didn't finish off the season for them. Having a backup QB ready is one of the most important things in football...if you want proof look no further than the hometown Atlanta Falcons(or anywhere in the NFL, really...teams are constantly looking for good backup QBs).
 
If they had backups ready, why did they keep changing them? What does ready mean to you? Able to take a snap? My point is most college teams don't have backups or don't use them. Fridge and O'Leary never did and we thought they were pretty smart about how to run an offense. We never used our backups then. Why is it a problem with Chan but wasn't then?

Don't get me wrong, as I said before I think we should have used TB earlier in the year and I agree it's good to have a solid backup. Just saying that we were in the company of most teams last year with our QB situation...it wasn't unique to Tech.
 
I'm not sure Chan is to blame for not pulling Reggie. Recall Chan was going to burn Bennett's redshirt when Reggie went 3 for a zillion and 2 picks in the first half vs NC State two years ago, but Nix talked him out of it.
 
ncjacket said:
Actually mack, most coaches don't have a backup QB ready. We never had anyone ready to go if JoeHam was injured, witness the FSU game when he went down. And who was ready to step in if Goose had gotten hurt? What happened to ugag last year when they were playing multiple QBs?
You may be right but I bet the good teams have more expierence at qb than we have had the last four years.Richt used three this year and Spurrier used two.This is my point if someone is hurt at the qb position you need somebody with expierence,we all know that but I didnt see it this year until the bowl game or the Duke blowout.
 
gth816f said:
They finished the season beating their top 5 ranked rival Auburn, their in-state rival GT, and winning their bowl game. They struggled a lot when they were trying to figure out what QB to use...but imagine if they had just stuck with Joe T through the whole season. I think the point was that they DID have backup QBs ready...that's why Joe T didn't finish off the season for them. Having a backup QB ready is one of the most important things in football...if you want proof look no further than the hometown Atlanta Falcons(or anywhere in the NFL, really...teams are constantly looking for good backup QBs).
I agree,and took some grief with a fellow blogger for agreeing that weneeded a backup and had chance to train one and didnt.Joe Ham and Goose and Ralphie gave me the impression that if one of them got hurt the other qb could come in since Ralphie drilled all qbs on the offense.Didnt get that with Chan .We had time to get things going with several games early in the season and we didnt use the time wisely.Reggie was running out of steam at end of year but we had no reserve trained.TB saved Chan in Gator Bowl with great job.Hope he cando it next year and willl be we have somebody ready in case he gets hurt.
 
But the fact is Ralph and O'Leary never gave backups QBs any meaningful time either. In fact, there is very little difference in what we've seen since Chan has been here and while George was around in terms of our backups. You may have had that impression but it doesn't mean it was true.

Again, I'm not saying we shouldn't have a backup ready or that we shouldn't have gotten TB time last year. But I'm also saying this is nothing new for Tech. In fact, you could argue that this is the first time in over 20 years that we have a clear cut succession at QB when a Sr leaves. S Jones was probably the last time we were sure going into a season who the new QB would be.
 
ncjacket said:
But the fact is Ralph and O'Leary never gave backups QBs any meaningful time either. In fact, there is very little difference in what we've seen since Chan has been here and while George was around in terms of our backups. You may have had that impression but it doesn't mean it was true.

Again, I'm not saying we shouldn't have a backup ready or that we shouldn't have gotten TB time last year. But I'm also saying this is nothing new for Tech. In fact, you could argue that this is the first time in over 20 years that we have a clear cut succession at QB when a Sr leaves. S Jones was probably the last time we were sure going into a season who the new QB would be.
I am agreeing with you on the progression of qb but remeber with Geroge and Raphie we scored alot more points than with Chan and whoever .GOL had more opps to play a qb and did.It is a moot point but Ga Southern and others made changes this year and wae didnt.No heartburn on this issue but any coach who put all the eggs in one basket runs the risk of having an injury destroy his season.We were lucky.
When I was coaching in the early 70s we did the same thing and won 9 games in a row then we played the worse ballclub in the region but our qb got hurt in the third quarter and we fumbled the next three series.Our fault and we did take the heat even though we won in the end.Believe you me,you are playing with dynamite when ;you dont get guys reps. Good article,enjoyed the jawing.
 
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