TSTAN Update

Since you brought up the "bowl streak" - I totally don't understand the fascination some have with this.

In today's environment, if a team doesn't go to a bowl they are really, really bad. Going to just any bowl is not the goal of any decent program.

As for attendance to bowl games, when we went to a major bowl for the first time in 42 years our AD had to plead with us to buy more tickets. Homer Rice one time in a communication with fans said we had a bad rep with bowl reps on this issue. In 2016, after beating ugag, in a game located on the state border, we were called out by the bowl director for our poor fan support.

We have got issues, and this current coaching regime sets itself up to be ridiculed and to make it easy for potential customers to ignore us.

You've still got to be .500 or better to make a bowl (minus a few outlier exceptions). .500 ball is my bare minimum for an acceptable season. It's obviously not great, but if we could get back to at least .500 every year with an uptick to 9+ every 4 or 5 years, I'd take it.

Since you're "one of those" with regard to bowl attendance, here's something I put together back in 2005. (Not exactly current numbers, but Homer Rice has been gone for a long time, too...)

Since 1985, we've played in 11 bowl games. Seven of those were in the southeast, where you can reasonably expect a significant number of fans to attend. I cannot find any numbers on the now defunct All-American Bowl we played in 1985. The 1997 Carquest Bowl was the worst-attended game in that bowl's short history so that definitely counts against us. On the other hand, the 72,328 (majority Tech) that saw us defeat Nebraska remains the 3rd best attended Citrus Bowl in history. The 70,791 present at the Gator Bowl on 1/1/99 know that the vast majority of fans were pulling for Georgia Tech, not Notre Dame. That was an Alltel Stadium record at the time and remains the 4th best mark for the Gator Bowl since the stadium was rebuilt. It's true only 43,416 showed up the following year (hindered by Y2K fears) but again, anyone that was there knows that the vast majority of fans were Jackets. I'm being generous if I concede that 15,000 Hurricane fans were there.

Our attendance at the Peach Bowl set another record for a bowl game. Over 73,000 crammed into the Georgia Dome - which seats just over 71,000. That number has been topped once since - 2004 when Clemson faced Tennessee. Our last bowl game on the east coast was not much to write home about: only 28,237 showed up in Orlando to witness our thrashing of Syracuse. However, this attendance figure is comparable to those great traveling teams in Clemson and Raleigh. NC State has played in the Champs Sports Bowl twice. The first time 28,562 made the trip; two years later it was 26,482. In between, Clemson played in front of 28,671. If you're keeping score at home, that's 7 southeastern bowls - 6 of which we can document attendance figures at. Three of those 6 set attendance records at the time, and 2 were more or less average, and 1 was below average.​

Nobody's ever going to accuse us of taking over the stadium on a regular basis (though we've done it a few times), but we don't embarrass ourselves, either.

JRjr
 
"Coach Johnson is a fighter and he has proven time and again that he can mold a group of young men that can fight above their weight class. I am confident that he and his team have a lot of fight left in them, to go along with a lot of ability and a lot of football still left to play."

leaves plenty of room to make a change if he doesn't prove it this time.
He's not a fighter. He's a golfer.
 
You've still got to be .500 or better to make a bowl (minus a few outlier exceptions). .500 ball is my bare minimum for an acceptable season. It's obviously not great, but if we could get back to at least .500 every year with an uptick to 9+ every 4 or 5 years, I'd take it.

Since you're "one of those" with regard to bowl attendance, here's something I put together back in 2005. (Not exactly current numbers, but Homer Rice has been gone for a long time, too...)

Since 1985, we've played in 11 bowl games. Seven of those were in the southeast, where you can reasonably expect a significant number of fans to attend. I cannot find any numbers on the now defunct All-American Bowl we played in 1985. The 1997 Carquest Bowl was the worst-attended game in that bowl's short history so that definitely counts against us. On the other hand, the 72,328 (majority Tech) that saw us defeat Nebraska remains the 3rd best attended Citrus Bowl in history. The 70,791 present at the Gator Bowl on 1/1/99 know that the vast majority of fans were pulling for Georgia Tech, not Notre Dame. That was an Alltel Stadium record at the time and remains the 4th best mark for the Gator Bowl since the stadium was rebuilt. It's true only 43,416 showed up the following year (hindered by Y2K fears) but again, anyone that was there knows that the vast majority of fans were Jackets. I'm being generous if I concede that 15,000 Hurricane fans were there.

Our attendance at the Peach Bowl set another record for a bowl game. Over 73,000 crammed into the Georgia Dome - which seats just over 71,000. That number has been topped once since - 2004 when Clemson faced Tennessee. Our last bowl game on the east coast was not much to write home about: only 28,237 showed up in Orlando to witness our thrashing of Syracuse. However, this attendance figure is comparable to those great traveling teams in Clemson and Raleigh. NC State has played in the Champs Sports Bowl twice. The first time 28,562 made the trip; two years later it was 26,482. In between, Clemson played in front of 28,671. If you're keeping score at home, that's 7 southeastern bowls - 6 of which we can document attendance figures at. Three of those 6 set attendance records at the time, and 2 were more or less average, and 1 was below average.​

Nobody's ever going to accuse us of taking over the stadium on a regular basis (though we've done it a few times), but we don't embarrass ourselves, either.

JRjr

+9 every 4 to 5 years?

Nothing will change for the better with that.

We play in a weak conference (division at least), and have 2 gimmes (oops USF) every year.

Will be not much different than now, except BoR will be whined about more.
 
Need money to pay for new weight rooms, need money for a buyout. Either way, we need dollars.
 
I get what he is saying about social media. It is pretty douche to go out and put all that crap out in public. At least there is a modicum of dork anonymity on ST, like an AA group for Tech fans.
 
+9 every 4 to 5 years?

Nothing will change for the better with that.

Just being realistic. Meeting that expectation would make us better than all but a handful of teams in college football, and keeping it real, we aren’t going to be competing with the Alabamas of the world on a regular basis.

I go to every game we play - at least maybe my yelling can help get a false start penalty once in a while. I give what I can give to the GTAA - I’m unlikely to be able to contribute at a level that will have any real impact, but I put my drop in the bucket. But both of those things have more of an impact on our performance than my standard for a decent season and team.

JRjr
 
Since you brought up the "bowl streak" - I totally don't understand the fascination some have with this.

In today's environment, if a team doesn't go to a bowl they are really, really bad. Going to just any bowl is not the goal of any decent program.

As for attendance to bowl games, when we went to a major bowl for the first time in 42 years our AD had to plead with us to buy more tickets. Homer Rice one time in a communication with fans said we had a bad rep with bowl reps on this issue. In 2016, after beating ugag, in a game located on the state border, we were called out by the bowl director for our poor fan support.

We have got issues, and this current coaching regime sets itself up to be ridiculed and to make it easy for potential customers to ignore us.
You lost me on the last paragraph.

Regarding bowls and traveling, we had a strong contingency travel across an ocean to play freaking BC. Maybe the people bitching and moaning about no one attending bowls should evaluate the experience their town and game have to offer.
 
Since you brought up the "bowl streak" - I totally don't understand the fascination some have with this.

In today's environment, if a team doesn't go to a bowl they are really, really bad. Going to just any bowl is not the goal of any decent program.

As for attendance to bowl games, when we went to a major bowl for the first time in 42 years our AD had to plead with us to buy more tickets. Homer Rice one time in a communication with fans said we had a bad rep with bowl reps on this issue. In 2016, after beating ugag, in a game located on the state border, we were called out by the bowl director for our poor fan support.

We have got issues, and this current coaching regime sets itself up to be ridiculed and to make it easy for potential customers to ignore us.
Good post, i miss Drad
 
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