Two B-Back or not Two B-Back!

ncjacket said:
I don't understand your point about Sims beating out Perkins not being a good sign for us. Perkins may be a very good BB. But if Sims is better, than that's who should play.
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I think Perkins is the best offensive recruit we've landed except for Vad Lee and if, after a year and a half in the system, he can't beat out a converted QB for the starting spot, I seriously ask if he is ever going to be a good BB for us.

But I agree, whomever is better should get the PT. Just worried about the position if Sims is actually better than our best BB recruit.
 
Architorture23 said:
I think Perkins is the best offensive recruit we've landed except for Vad Lee and if, after a year and a half in the system, he can't beat out a converted QB for the starting spot, I seriously ask if he is ever going to be a good BB for us.

But I agree, whomever is better should get the PT. Just worried about the position if Sims is actually better than our best BB recruit.
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Sims had offers to a number of big time programs to play running back.
 
Architorture23 said:
I think Perkins is the best offensive recruit we've landed except for Vad Lee and if, after a year and a half in the system, he can't beat out a converted QB for the starting spot, I seriously ask if he is ever going to be a good BB for us.

But I agree, whomever is better should get the PT. Just worried about the position if Sims is actually better than our best BB recruit.
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I agree with this theoretically, but I also could see an athlete like Vick or Tebow being better than a highly recruited running back if they shifted their attention to only running the football. There are plenty of highly recruited running backs that don't pan out in college and there are plenty of undrafted or low round draft pick running backs in the nfl that are playing ahead of backs that were drafted higher.
 
TangoHotelWhiskeyGolf said:
I agree with this theoretically, but I also could see an athlete like Vick or Tebow being better than a highly recruited running back if they shifted their attention to only running the football. There are plenty of highly recruited running backs that don't pan out in college and there are plenty of undrafted or low round draft pick running backs in the nfl that are playing ahead of backs that were drafted higher.
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The only difference is that those 2 are freak athletes and there is probably not the possibility of having someone better than them ANYWHERE on the field.
 
Architorture23 said:
I think Perkins is the best offensive recruit we've landed except for Vad Lee and if, after a year and a half in the system, he can't beat out a converted QB for the starting spot, I seriously ask if he is ever going to be a good BB for us.

But I agree, whomever is better should get the PT. Just worried about the position if Sims is actually better than our best BB recruit.
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Well, I guess I get your point but don't know why it matters. Not every recruit makes it onto the field or makes it there in the way we thought he would. We may end up with a 2 BB system, or Perkins may yet win the spot. I also think referring to someone as a "converted QB" is silly since for most HS teams the QB is the best player on the field. It's not about position or time on the job, it's about talent and results.
 
ncjacket said:
Well, I guess I get your point but don't know why it matters. Not every recruit makes it onto the field or makes it there in the way we thought he would. We may end up with a 2 BB system, or Perkins may yet win the spot. I also think referring to someone as a "converted QB" is silly since for most HS teams the QB is the best player on the field. It's not about position or time on the job, it's about talent and results.
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He's not just a HS QB... He's been a Div 1A QB for 2 years now.

Plus, Perkins didn't play QB in HS. Dwyer didn't. AA didn't. They have been dedicated RBs for 5-6 years. And they were probably all the best players on their HS teams (maybe not AA at Jesuit.)
 
The Champ said:
It isn't rocket science, you get the ball and fockin run with it. He's been doing that his whole life as a quarterback.
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I'm sure it's every bit as simple as you make it out to be...
 
I will add that it wouldn't be as much an indictment on the program as it would be on Perkins.
 
So lemme see if I get this. Y'all are argueing such that if Sims beats Perkins for the starting spot then some folks think that it means Perkins sux while others think it means Sims is awesome.

Since neither of them has taken so much as one snap, I'm not sure I understand exactly how anyone could even have an opinion much less a strong opinion.

But what I really wanted to post about is my question about whether either of them can catch the ball. I expect that we will be passing a little bit more this and future seasons and I don't have any recollection of either Sims or Perkins catching too many passes in HS. That could help decide who gets to play when.
 
00Burdell said:
But what I really wanted to post about is my question about whether either of them can catch the ball. I expect that we will be passing a little bit more this and future seasons and I don't have any recollection of either Sims or Perkins catching too many passes in HS. That could help decide who gets to play when.
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Not sure there any pass plays designed for the BBack in our offense but I could be wrong. I think Lyons is a very productive back at this position and if Sims or Perkins are better that's a plus. Lyons isn't a home run threat but he gets positive yardage and hangs on to the ball which isn't true of all of our backs. If we don't turn the ball over we can score points..
 
B said:
Not sure there any pass plays designed for the BBack in our offense...
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I don't think there are either - at least not in the base play book. But if CPJ has a QB that can make that toss and a bBack who can pull it down then I think its just a matter of time before we start seeing it.
 
ncjacket said:
Indictment of the program? What the hell are you talking about?
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I'm talking about our most high profile offensive recruit (besides Vad) at our most important position (besides QB) not being able to start over a converted QB.

That would mean CPJ hasn't recruited an impact b back yet in 4 classes.

Why is that hard to understand?
 
00Burdell said:
I don't think there are either - at least not in the base play book. But if CPJ has a QB that can make that toss and a bBack who can pull it down then I think its just a matter of time before we start seeing it.
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Watch the acccg again for the screen to Dwyer. We saw it a few times.

But pass catching has to be way down the list of characteristics CPJ is grading b backs on.
 
Architorture23 said:
I'm talking about our most high profile offensive recruit (besides Vad) at our most important position (besides QB) not being able to start over a converted QB.

That would mean CPJ hasn't recruited an impact b back yet in 4 classes.

Why is that hard to understand?
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First of all I don't remember Perkins being our most heralded recruit and secondly as long as we have a BB churning out 1300+ yards per year what "impact" recruit we had or didn't have matters not to me.
 
00Burdell said:
I don't think there are either - at least not in the base play book. But if CPJ has a QB that can make that toss and a bBack who can pull it down then I think its just a matter of time before we start seeing it.
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Forgetting the pass to Dwyer agains FSU 2 years ago? We have passes to the BB in the playbook but PJ has to have some confidence in completing them before he's going to waste a play.
 
ncjacket said:
Forgetting the pass to Dwyer agains FSU 2 years ago? We have passes to the BB in the playbook but PJ has to have some confidence in completing them before he's going to waste a play.
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I seem to a recall a very nice reception to Anthony Allen against Clemson '10.
 
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