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[stinger78]

So, pretending for the moment that the B1G has eyes on us, here's my wish. The B1G expands to 18 teams with three 6-team divisions - East, Central, and West.

East - Penn State, Maryland, Rutgers, GA Tech, Pitt (they are AAU), and Miami (East coast to Ohio River)
Central - Ohio State, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Illinois, and N'western (Ohio River to Illinois River)
West - Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, UCLA and Southern Cal (Illinois River to West Coast)

If they can make a go of it at 21 teams, then do this:

East - Penn State, Maryland, Rutgers, GA Tech [AAU], Pitt [AAU], North Carolina [AAU], and Duke [AAU] (East coast to Ohio River)
Central - Ohio State, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Illinois, N'western, and Wisconsin (Ohio River to MIssissippi River)
West - Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, UCLA, Southern Cal, Washington [AAU], and Oregon [AAU] (Mississippi River to West Coast)

18 teams would create difficulties scheduling, and 21 teams would be a bear for scheduling, but it allows enough team in each division to allow at least 3 close-by conference mates in each division.

 

[yellowbritchies]

The SEC and GT need a therapy session so we can make up. That’s where we belong. While the B1G is better than the current circumstances, we are a southern football program. It just ain’t the same in the Midwest…not a right or wrong issue it’s just different.

Sage advice, when we really get down to it Tech is right in the middle of SEC territory. Road games would be easy and Atlanta is a destination city for the other members.

 

[aeromech]

So, pretending for the moment that the B1G has eyes on us, here's my wish. The B1G expands to 18 teams with three 6-team divisions - East, Central, and West.

East - Penn State, Maryland, Rutgers, GA Tech, Pitt (they are AAU), and Miami (East coast to Ohio River)
Central - Ohio State, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Illinois, and N'western (Ohio River to Illinois River)
West - Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, UCLA and Southern Cal (Illinois River to West Coast)

If they can make a go of it at 21 teams, then do this:

East - Penn State, Maryland, Rutgers, GA Tech [AAU], Pitt [AAU], North Carolina [AAU], and Duke [AAU] (East coast to Ohio River)
Central - Ohio State, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Illinois, N'western, and Wisconsin (Ohio River to MIssissippi River)
West - Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, UCLA, Southern Cal, Washington [AAU], and Oregon [AAU] (Mississippi River to West Coast)

18 teams would create difficulties scheduling, and 21 teams would be a bear for scheduling, but it allows enough team in each division to allow at least 3 close-by conference mates in each division.

Since they have Penn State, I don't know why they add Pitt. Makes more sense to me they would add UVA.

Pitt is not one of the teams that has been vetted btw.

 

[stinger78]

Since they have Penn State, I don't know why they add Pitt. Makes more sense to me they would add UVA.

Pitt is not one of the teams that has been vetted btw.

Sure. Pitt, though, is a midwestern team and has a long history with several current B1G programs. I just don’t know that UVA or UNC will leave the ACC until it plows under the waves, if it comes to that. IMPO, UVA, UNC, DU, WFU, and NCSU will happily regress back to the land before time and reemphasize basketball as the ACC sport du jour. I may be wrong but we may never know.

 

[77GTFan]

Seeing these potential divisions in expanding super conferences simply points out the idiocy of it all. Who cares if you are in Big 10 East with Penn State, Pitt, Maryland, Rutgers, Duke and UNC? Welcome to a Big 10 where you almost never play Wisconsin, Michigan ,Ohio State or UCLA/USC.

It all goes to show the true colors of NCAA Presidents and their conferences and their hypocrisy regarding student athletes. All this expansion is about is putting the enormous money from media revenue into a smaller number of hands that control its distributions.

 

[stinger78]

Seeing these potential divisions in expanding super conferences simply points out the idiocy of it all. Who cares if you are in Big 10 East with Penn State, Pitt, Maryland, Rutgers, Duke and UNC? Welcome to a Big 10 where you almost never play Wisconsin, Michigan ,Ohio State or UCLA/USC.

It all goes to show the true colors of NCAA Presidents and their conferences and their hypocrisy regarding student athletes. All this expansion is about is putting the enormous money from media revenue into a smaller number of hands that control its distributions.

Yup. Pretty much.

 

[juraitwaluzka]

Seeing these potential divisions in expanding super conferences simply points out the idiocy of it all. Who cares if you are in Big 10 East with Penn State, Pitt, Maryland, Rutgers, Duke and UNC? Welcome to a Big 10 where you almost never play Wisconsin, Michigan ,Ohio State or UCLA/USC.

It all goes to show the true colors of NCAA Presidents and their conferences and their hypocrisy regarding student athletes. All this expansion is about is putting the enormous money from media revenue into a smaller number of hands that control its distributions.

It's time for Tech to take control of its own destiny, think outside the box, realize this is all about money so why not aim high and show everyone else how it's done, join a league with near unlimited revenue stream, massive TV audience and fan support, and a much more level playing field. They care about academics as much as any other league. SEC? pfffft. Big10? pfffffft pffffffft. l, for one, fully support our joining the AFC West as they look to expand. This is Georgia Tech, we can do that!!!!

 

[gt9589]

Personally, I think GA Tech football is far more respected in the B1G than it is in the SECheat.

If I had to choose, and we may not get a choice, then I'd go B1G and hope for the best. That way we get to do the following:
1) Land on a stable ship (finances)
2) Get to play nationally - east coast to west coast with a lot of mid-west in between (visibility/recruiting)
3) Become the fly in the ointment right in the heart of SEC country (revenge)

The B1G checks all the boxes for those reasons. There are a few reasons not to be enamored with being in the B1G, but there are at least three *big* reasons above to like it.

Still not holding my breath, though.

True..I agree with you but to me, personally, being in the BIG is like wearing your left shoe on your right foot. It looks good but it's just not natural. Just like Rutgers, USC and UCLA. I get it. Strategic. It's all about TV $, but it sucks that it does. But from a fan's perspective, traveling hundreds of miles up North for an away game is not appealing to me. But I guess TV $ trumps fan $. I'd rather fly/drive to TX to see us play UT or Tex A&M than fly to Michigan, Wisconsin or Minnesota. At least I have southern relatives/family there and we all understand each other lol. I'm actually a USC fan too and I loved it when we played them in the bowl but I only fly to USC every few years to see them because it's so expensive.

 

[stinger78]

It's time for Tech to take control of its own destiny, think outside the box, realize this is all about money so why not aim high and show everyone else how it's done, join a league with near unlimited revenue stream, massive TV audience and fan support, and a much more level playing field. They care about academics as much as any other league. SEC? pfffft. Big10? pfffffft pffffffft. l, for one, fully support our joining the AFC West as they look to expand. This is Georgia Tech, we can do that!!!!

Since when is “following the money” outside of the box thinking?

 

[juraitwaluzka]

Since when is “following the money” outside of the box thinking?

So you support the Ga Tech to the AFC West too? Excellent. This is just how a grass roots campaign starts getting some traction. Welcome aboard.

 

[QuadF]

So, pretending for the moment that the B1G has eyes on us, here's my wish. The B1G expands to 18 teams with three 6-team divisions - East, Central, and West.

East - Penn State, Maryland, Rutgers, GA Tech, Pitt (they are AAU), and Miami (East coast to Ohio River)
Central - Ohio State, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Illinois, and N'western (Ohio River to Illinois River)
West - Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, UCLA and Southern Cal (Illinois River to West Coast)

If they can make a go of it at 21 teams, then do this:

East - Penn State, Maryland, Rutgers, GA Tech [AAU], Pitt [AAU], North Carolina [AAU], and Duke [AAU] (East coast to Ohio River)
Central - Ohio State, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Illinois, N'western, and Wisconsin (Ohio River to MIssissippi River)
West - Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, UCLA, Southern Cal, Washington [AAU], and Oregon [AAU] (Mississippi River to West Coast)

18 teams would create difficulties scheduling, and 21 teams would be a bear for scheduling, but it allows enough team in each division to allow at least 3 close-by conference mates in each division.

That division would be a snoozefest

 

[madRazor]

So, pretending for the moment that the B1G has eyes on us, here's my wish. The B1G expands to 18 teams with three 6-team divisions - East, Central, and West.

East - Penn State, Maryland, Rutgers, GA Tech, Pitt (they are AAU), and Miami (East coast to Ohio River)
Central - Ohio State, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Illinois, and N'western (Ohio River to Illinois River)
West - Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, UCLA and Southern Cal (Illinois River to West Coast)

If they can make a go of it at 21 teams, then do this:

East - Penn State, Maryland, Rutgers, GA Tech [AAU], Pitt [AAU], North Carolina [AAU], and Duke [AAU] (East coast to Ohio River)
Central - Ohio State, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Illinois, N'western, and Wisconsin (Ohio River to MIssissippi River)
West - Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, UCLA, Southern Cal, Washington [AAU], and Oregon [AAU] (Mississippi River to West Coast)

18 teams would create difficulties scheduling, and 21 teams would be a bear for scheduling, but it allows enough team in each division to allow at least 3 close-by conference mates in each division.

Purdue?

 

[OptionJacket]

I didn't say that their position would be sound, it was more a commentary about how they think (sic) versus how non mouth drooling, leg humping inbreds think.

The flaw in the logic is "Those who run UGA aren’t that stupid". I'd say don't sell them short, never underestimate their proclivities for unsound rationality due to a nice mix of arrogance, low IQ and an extra heapin' helpin' of sister lovin' (not that there's anything wrong with that if your sister is actually hot but still).

This is where I always laugh at our fanbase. This is the football board where football related topics are discussed. This isn’t the baseball board, or women’s volleyball board, or academic board. On the football topic, UGA runs circles around GT and are smarter in every respect than GT. Yet, our fans act like we are somehow better than them on this football board. Listen, I wish college football was the pure sport we all see in our minds. But it has NEVER been pure. Bobby Dodd won Nattys using the rules of his days and UGA has just won back to back titles using the current rules. They are superior to GT in all football related topics that GT fans often look like absolute immature kids when talking about football. GT football went from being superior to UGA to being absolutely dominated over a 50 year period. You have graduates of GT who have never lived a day with us beating them on our own campus yet we call them names? What we should do (which we won’t) is do what they do to get better players.

Now, if you want to make fun of their academics then I’ll gladly have a field day roasting them on the academic board but when it comes to football they are vastly smarter than GT.

 

[aeromech]

Sure. Pitt, though, is a midwestern team and has a long history with several current B1G programs. I just don’t know that UVA or UNC will leave the ACC until it plows under the waves, if it comes to that. IMPO, UVA, UNC, DU, WFU, and NCSU will happily regress back to the land before time and reemphasize basketball as the ACC sport du jour. I may be wrong but we may never know.

I am going to venture out on a limb and guess again that in order for a team to be "vetted" they had to cooperate with the examiners on some level. If true, your theory that UVA & UNC would rather go down with the ship is in question.

 

[GT76]

This is where I always laugh at our fanbase. This is the football board where football related topics are discussed. This isn’t the baseball board, or women’s volleyball board, or academic board. On the football topic, UGA runs circles around GT and are smarter in every respect than GT. Yet, our fans act like we are somehow better than them on this football board. Listen, I wish college football was the pure sport we all see in our minds. But it has NEVER been pure. Bobby Dodd won Nattys using the rules of his days and UGA has just won back to back titles using the current rules. They are superior to GT in all football related topics that GT fans often look like absolute immature kids when talking about football. GT football went from being superior to UGA to being absolutely dominated over a 50 year period. You have graduates of GT who have never lived a day with us beating them on our own campus yet we call them names? What we should do (which we won’t) is do what they do to get better players.

Now, if you want to make fun of their academics then I’ll gladly have a field day roasting them on the academic board but when it comes to football they are vastly smarter than GT.

Might I suggest a new avatar for you?

 

[stinger78]

I am going to venture out on a limb and guess again that in order for a team to be "vetted" they had to cooperate with the examiners on some level. If true, your theory that UVA & UNC would rather go down with the ship is in question.

Could be. However, I'm not sure their intent is to go down with the ship. I think they know that the two big dogs can only scrounge up so many teams - maybe 18 each - before the law of diminishing returns sets in. That's 36 teams. There are currently about 65 teams in P5 conferences. That leaves about 30 more teams, or about 3 conferences worth of teams left over. See?

I believe that UVA and UNC would think it crazy not to listen but may not be so keen on playing in the SECheat or B1G. I think they might be just fine with their 5 (UVA, UNC, NCSU, DU, and WFU) plus the 67-8 of VPI, Miami, Pitt, Syracuse, Louisville, and Boston College (and maybe even Notre Dame) and call it a conference at 10 teams that can play basketball very well and football and baseball pretty darn well. None of those teams are getting "vetted" except UNC, UVA, Miami, and Notre Dame and all of those are not getting invited. They (B1G) are already at 16 teams. 21 would be almost impossible to manage and may be over the returns curve.

If football drives the bus, then they might jump, however, I don't think football drives the bus up there.

You see, this is where I think GA Tech jumps the shark. Many of our fans think football still drives our bus and it may not. We've been having this convo for over 40 years now. It's important to us, but I'm not sure it's driving the bus. What about the admin/AA's decision-making leads you to think that football in king at GA Tech and that we are bound and determined to run with the factories?

I'm all ears....

 

[stinger78]

Purdue?

Smartie...

 

[stinger78]

This is an interesting analysis published in the WSJ, though pretty simplistic: College football values as of 2018 vs. 2017. In 2018, CPJ's last year, GA Tech was ranked 36th nationally, and fourth in the ACC (predictably, behind Clemson, FSU, and VPI). However, if you look at the top 24, there are only three interlopers that are not part of the near future SECheat and B1G... those three being Notre Dame, Washington, and Oregon.

The B1G reportedly "vetted" Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Washington, Georgia Tech, Virginia, North Carolina, Duke, Utah and Miami. On this list, admittedly now 5 years old, here's how those programs placed:

19 - Washington
21 - Oregon
24 - Stanford
36 - GA Tech
37 - Utah
40 - Cal
41 - Miami
50 - UNC
53 - UVA
66 - Duke

By comparison, the SEC's lowest ranked program was Vandy at 61, and the B1G's lowest ranked program was Rutgers at 67. I'm not sure how this list has changed since 2018. I'd guess not too much, though I'm pretty sure GA Tech has fallen. Eight of the ACC programs fell between 36 and 58 with 3 higher and 3 lower - a pretty even distribution from 26 (Clemson) to 66 (Duke). Looking at the "heart" of the old ACC, you have:

46 - NCSU
50 - UNC
53 - UVA
64 - WFU
66 - Duke

I'm just not convinced that any of those five programs is getting an invitation and they will move together to form the core of a reformed ACC centered on basketball. I'd guess that they would try to keep VPI (28) and Louisville (47) with them along with the three other bottom-dwellers Syracuse (57), Pitt (58), and Boston College (62). I think Louisville would likely stay ACC and I'd have to think that VPI is pretty high on the SEC's list, as perhaps NCSU is as well. Clemson and FSU, unfortunately for them, exist in states already mined by the SEC and are not candidates for the B1G.

Given how they all rank and who which programs were "vetted" by the B1G, my take is strengthened that this is all about the rich getting richer.

 

[Tampa Jacket]

https://www.si.com/college/ohiostate/news/ohio-state-buckeyes-big-ten-expansion-acc-pac-12-programs-dissovlement

Hey, they (maybe) wanted us

"According to longtime reporter Jim Williams, 10 programs have been "vetted" by the Big Ten for possible membership. This list includes, in no particular order, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Washington, Georgia Tech, Virginia, North Carolina, Duke, Utah and Miami."

We had an offer from them back when D-Rad was AD. We should have taken it then. And we sure do everything we can to get there now. The ACC is ded.

 

[midatlantech]

Vetted means investigated, it does not mean “approved”.

I doubt the Big Ten let that info out without a reason and in my take it’s because they plan to do nothing else at this time.