VT's game plan.

Of course BOR is probably right. Everyone here knows that he is probably right. Some people just choose to think in terms of "that's why we play the games."
By the way, you engineers need to have some fun! We have 5 1/2 days to be excited and expect the best. I guess I am not talking to any Sales people here.
 
This thread is ridiculous. VT is not Goliath. Despite playing a ridiculously easy schedule their offense has looked mediocre. They trailed Cincinnati going into the 4th quarter. Even their vaunted special teams are not all that special this year - they are #100 in kickoff returns and below average in net punting.

We are pretty evenly matched with VT. Neither OL has impressed so far. Both defenses have been excellent. We've both beaten the teams we should have the way we should have - the only difference so far is we opened against Notre Dame and they opened against Northeastern.

This VT team looks a lot closer in quality to their 2003 team that went 8-5 than to the 2004-2005 teams.

Any Tech fan who is throwing in the towel against a team that couldn't even dominate Cincinnati should be ashamed.

Blacksburg is obviously a tough place to play, but we've won in other tough places before.
 
THANK YOU mm42!!!!!!!!!!

mm42 said:
This thread is ridiculous. VT is not Goliath. Despite playing a ridiculously easy schedule their offense has looked mediocre. They trailed Cincinnati going into the 4th quarter. Even their vaunted special teams are not all that special this year - they are #100 in kickoff returns and below average in net punting.

We are pretty evenly matched with VT. Neither OL has impressed so far. Both defenses have been excellent. We've both beaten the teams we should have the way we should have - the only difference so far is we opened against Notre Dame and they opened against Northeastern.

This VT team looks a lot closer in quality to their 2003 team that went 8-5 than to the 2004-2005 teams.

Any Tech fan who is throwing in the towel against a team that couldn't even dominate Cincinnati should be ashamed.

Blacksburg is obviously a tough place to play, but we've won in other tough places before.
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Thank You!!!!:greenclap: :greenclap: VPI was shit against Cincinnati, struggled offensively against UNC, beat poor old Duke in thuggish fashion(blatant cheap shots on Duke's QB), and beat an I-AA opponent in Northeastern. We have won in Jordan-Hare, and We have won in the Orange Bowl, Blacksburg does not even compare to those places. Those who are throwing in the towel will be ashamed when we play very well(enough to win) this Saturday.
 
Uhhh... I was at Auburn and VT. And can tell you VT was MUCH louder than Auburn solely due to the design of the stadium. The sound travels down at the field instead of up in the air. VT is also louder than the Orange Bowl. In fact, I've been to Knoxville, The Swamp, even Bryant Denny Stadium, The Gator Bowl, The Peach Bowl and to this day I have not been to a louder stadium than VT last year for the GT game.

People who want to make this post out to be a "throw in the towel" post are absurd. I pointed out a blatant weakness that I think will be exposed this week like it was last year. Since this thread was started not one person has tried to discuss my original point or how our Offense matches up with VT.

Instead people get upset and post a bunch of rah rah nonsense that does little good on a message board to people who more than likely aren't driving up to the game at VT to cheer on the Jackets.

If you want to make a version of the Gipper speech, why not cut and paste. Otherwise, I might believe that we actually do match up well vs VT's defense if someone would make a valid point.
 
BarrelORum said:
People who want to make this post out to be a "throw in the towel" post are absurd.
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What's absurd is to guarantee a loss and then claim you are not throwing in the towel.

I pointed out a blatant weakness that I think will be exposed this week like it was last year.
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I have reviewed the UVa first half and part of the second quarter on film and determined your opinions on #61 to be pure BS. Go to the game tape and name a play up to the point we led 24-0 where your "pushed backwards" happened. Just tell us the quarter and clock, or the specific game situation.

So: I don't accept your rationale for throwing in the towel, because it is based on some totally flawed impressions.
 
Quick Strike!!

BarrelORum said:
Uhhh... I was at Auburn and VT. And can tell you VT was MUCH louder than Auburn solely due to the design of the stadium. The sound travels down at the field instead of up in the air. VT is also louder than the Orange Bowl. In fact, I've been to Knoxville, The Swamp, even Bryant Denny Stadium, The Gator Bowl, The Peach Bowl and to this day I have not been to a louder stadium than VT last year for the GT game.

People who want to make this post out to be a "throw in the towel" post are absurd. I pointed out a blatant weakness that I think will be exposed this week like it was last year. Since this thread was started not one person has tried to discuss my original point or how our Offense matches up with VT.

Instead people get upset and post a bunch of rah rah nonsense that does little good on a message board to people who more than likely aren't driving up to the game at VT to cheer on the Jackets.

If you want to make a version of the Gipper speech, why not cut and paste. Otherwise, I might believe that we actually do match up well vs VT's defense if someone would make a valid point.
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Two letters: CJ. Thus giving us quick strike ability. I don't care if he is double teamed, or if an NFL corner is covering him, we will still have the ability. That will be the difference on Saturday, since our D will dominate their inexperienced QB and OLine.
 
Here's a post on the Hokie board about their problems with stopping the run up the middle.

http://www.techsideline.com/message_board/football/2006/September/24/2225325.php

A lot of post on the board are like this. Both techs seem to be questioning their team despite each one's domination of lesser opponents.

At this point, Virginia Tech has played two horrible teams in Northeastern and Duke as well as two below average teams in Cincinnati and UNC. For the latter two teams, UNC gained 268 yards and Cincy gained 280 yards. Just compare the box scores from Clemson's game versus UNC and Virginia Tech's game against UNC to see some problems with this Virginia Tech team.

This team is quite fallible if the UNC and Cincy games are any indication. Yes, we have OL problems going against a defense with future NFL players, but they also have a green OL and a new QB going against a defense with future NFL players.

Our teams are matched up pretty well and it's pretty hard to tell right now just who will come out on top.
 
floridajacket said:
Here's a post on the Hokie board about their problems with stopping the run up the middle.

http://www.techsideline.com/message_board/football/2006/September/24/2225325.php

A lot of posts on this board also seem be questioning parts of their team despite the final scores against lesser opponents.

At this point, Virginia Tech has played two horrible teams in Northeastern and Duke as well as two below average teams in Cincinnati and UNC. For the latter two teams, UNC gained 268 yards and Cincy gained 280 yards. Just compare the box scores from Clemson's game versus UNC and Virginia Tech's game against UNC to see some problems with this Virginia Tech team.

This team is quite fallible if the UNC and Cincy games are any indication. Yes, we have OL problems going against a defense with future NFL players, but they also have a green OL and a new QB going against a defense with future NFL players.

Our teams are matched up pretty well and it's pretty hard to tell right now just who will come out on top.
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anything can happen....the rest of the country expects us to lose. I am managing my own expectations because this is our most difficult game of the year...Notre Dame included. However, I am sure I will have convinced myself we will win by the 3:30pm kickoff time on Saturday.
 
hiveredtech said:
anything can happen....the rest of the country expects us to lose.
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Well the rest of the country will be quite surprised come Saturday evening.
 
1.) I don't recall guaranteeing anything.

2.) You are not watching the same game I was. We got issues which is why he got benched. He got flagged twice in ND, he got flagged twice against Troy. I don't recall Samford. But he got flagged three times that I can remember against UVA.

I particularly love it when people avoid the topic at hand and get into the "You are a bad fan, I am a good fan" BS. Isn't that what the Hive is for?


Our LG was stood up with the defenders leverage under him the majority of the game. In the first half alone Calvin was in single coverage on two occassions and Reggie ran the ball because the pocket colapsed on the interior. We didn't sustain the blocks.

You have a lot of gaul to say my observations are pure BS since the majority of the boards seemed to be concerned with the same problem. I guess you just don't like the way I'm saying it particularly.
 
BOR, I've watched the game film twice focused on 61 and your assertions that he was "thrown around like a rag doll" are pure BS. It didn't happen. He DOES have a problem with penalties and that could (maybe should?) effect his playing time. But his blocking was on par with anyone else on the line including the guys you mention as replacements. Dunmon also played more than you seem to remember. He wasn't just brought in after the last clip, he played earlier in the game as well.

Again, I'm not crowing over any of our linemen, simply saying that your obssesion with one of them is interesting. He may see bench time but I don't think it will be due to his strength or lack therof. Because the film doesn't seem to show it.
 
With Beamer doing the coaching for the special teams, I think he will expose our "un-special teams" and hurt us there first. With the national crowd watching, 27-17 Blacksburg Hillbillys.
 
I think our STs are pretty solid this year, except for kickoffs, and those looked better vs UVA.


The question is whether or not we can block for Field Goals, really. That's where VT makes their hay.
 
BarrelORum said:
I particularly love it when people avoid the topic at hand ...
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You mean like you are avoiding the topic of "show us where #61 was pushed backwards"?

"You are a bad fan, I am a good fan" BS. Isn't that what the Hive is for?
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I have not called you a "bad fan". You are a better fan than I am - I have never gone to Blacksburg to support the team, and I probably never will, at least until my kids go off to college.

Even though you are a great fan, you have a "bad attitude" about this game in particular and also about one of one linemen.

You have a lot of gaul to say my observations are pure BS since the majority of the boards seemed to be concerned with the same problem.
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Actually, I'm almost all Irish, and no French at all in my bloodlines. You have many observations, and I haven't called them all pure BS, just the ones about #61 against UVa.
 
beej67 said:
Not saying one thing or another, but that was only about half the game.
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Sorry, I haven't reviewed the film in detail beyond that point. If you have and you would like to comment, fell free.
 
mm42 said:
Sorry, I haven't reviewed the film in detail beyond that point. If you have and you would like to comment, fell free.
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I haven't reviewed film either, but I do know that our offense was very successful until mid way through the third quarter, after which time we looked like a bunch of freaking dorks.


There was a lot of smiling and patting ourselves on the back after UVA, but what I took away from the game is this:

We had 1 real drive, and 2 long bombs, and a fieldgoal. We got the ball in UVA territory off a turnover once, went backwards, and punted. One drive we had a 15 yard clipping penalty and a 10+ yard sack on back-to-back plays, where Reggie really had no place to go with the ball. That was the part of the tape you haven't made it up to yet.

Look a few pages back and you guys will see I was very high on the potential of our offense after the Troy game. After UVA, I'm concerned. We can obviously score from anywhere on the field if Reggie hits his receiver in stride. He's done it two games in a row. But he's also failed to do it three seasons in a row, so I don't have faith that he's turned that corner yet. If he hadn't hit his receiver in stride on two plays vs UVA, we may have lost.

Think about that.

I think we keep it close in Blacksburg, but I don't think we're a better team than VT. Not yet. Our offense still lacks consistency. We've got a shot, and I think we can win 8 regular season games this year, 9 with the bowl. I think we can beat Georgia. But more often than not VT wins this game.
 
I haven't reviewed the game film myself, but I do know a couple of things about our offense after we went up 24-0.

1. We took Calvin out.

2. We probably became a one-dimensional team. The options were still a run.

I'm really just throwing this out there, as I haven't personally seen a tape of this and I didn't exactly have the best vantage point at the game itself.
 
The V said:
With Beamer doing the coaching for the special teams, I think he will expose our "un-special teams" and hurt us there first. With the national crowd watching, 27-17 Blacksburg Hillbillys.
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Our special teams have been strong except for kickoff coverage. VT is currently 9th in the ACC in kickoff return yardage (against Northeastern, UNC, Duke, and Cincinnati) - not extremely impressive.

I do agree that we cannot allow a blocked punt (or blocked FG for TD like last year) - If we can avoid allowing a special teams play that results in a TD for VT we have a VERY GOOD chance of pulling off the upset.
 
Ok, two specific examples for you guys. I'm going by pure memory here since I do not have the luxury of Tivo. I remember them fairly clearly.

I believe in the 3rd quarter, Reggie scrambled right and tossed the ball away or was sacked because our LG was stood up and shoved about 4 yards back. On the formation, Calvin was lined up in single coverage but since the pocket totally got collapsed Reggie ran right. I believe it was on a 3rd down play because it was close to the series where Reggie jawed with the DLineman from UVA.

2nd quarter same deal, Lined up for a running play. LG gets no push and shoved into the Center. Choice got held up in the backfield and ended up I think getting a two yard gain from having to scramble behind Gardner.

Next play... one of the lineman, and I think it was in fact our LG, committed a Holding penalty.
 
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