VT's game plan.

Ok, fishing for a positive in here someplace. I'm not knowledgable on the nuances of line play, but...


..what are the chances that some of the holds and clips were due to missed assignments from the Wahoo_Wacky_3-4 (tm) ?
 
All I can say is you really need to be able to see tape before you single out players. The play you describe couldn't have happened in the 3rd quarter because I just watched it. Maybe it did in another part of the game. I can't find a play as you describe in the 2nd, but there was one play where he was stood up and Choice went left and was tackled for short gain. Maybe the one you were speaking of?

OTOH, I can also tell you about another lineman who was beaten on 2 of 3 plays...one for a short loss on a play where he pulled and was beaten by his man in the hole, then 2 plays later for a sack where his man went right by him.

My point is not, and has not been that the guy you are calling out is a star. But when viewed along with the rest of our OL he doesn't stand out as not making the plays other than the penalties. That is a real problem IMO. But Garder was beaten on plays as were others. Don't make it sound like if we change that one position we suddenly have a great line. Every lineman on every team misses assignments. He may be smaller than ideal, but he also made some really nice blocks on several good runs to open up a seam.
 
We should be a solid underdog in this game, but I give us about a 20-30% shot at winning this game.

Why we can win:

1. Defense - On a good day our D can shutdown just about any team. If we hold them to 10 which I don't think is out of the realm of possibility, we will probably win.

2. Inexperienced VT QB

3. CJ - A singular talent that can take over a game

Why we will probably lose:

1. OL - What I remember about last year was that VT's D lived in our backfield and that they were only rushing 4 for the majority of the game. Therefore, it was not that surprising that their 7 could guard our 4 receivers.

2. Coaching - Which coaching staff do you think is more likely to make a mind numbing game changing brain fart?

3. Special Teams - I don't care what stats you show me there's no way you are going to convince me that we have better special teams than VT. Punting has been outstandig, but outside of that things look spotty.

4. Blacksburg - Homefield advantage is always huge, but Blacksburg is one of the toughest places to play period.

5. Lack of Killer Instinct - Even if things work out in our favor and we jump out to a big lead early, we will pull back our horns and let the other team cut the lead to 1 or 2 scores. We will then find ourselves in the familiar position of trying to reignite an offense that has been in hibernation for a quarter plus and with a defense that is completely gassed from being on the field for the majority of a quarter.
 
5. Lack of Killer Instinct
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I hate that term. I don't think it has anything to do with "instinct," or wanting our offense to "hiberbate," it has to do with the fact that our offensive play is consistantly inconsistant. So the couple of drives we roll the dice poorly, it looks like the coach is sitting on a lead, when really the plays called just didn't work as they intended.

That's just an opinion though.

Overall, I will agree with JT's analysis, including our %age chances of pulling a win here.
 
BarrelORum said:
Sorry fellas, I see this game not being AS bad as last year, but I think it will be much of the same.

VT is going to put a lot of pressure on our Olineman causing them to break and bend. They are going to double cover Calvin and they have the best DB's we'll play all year and the rest of their linebackers and safeties will crowd the line to contain Reggie if he runs.

Their DC Foster will look at the film this year and last and he'll see a couple of obvious things. The interior lineman on our team are weak. He'll get a lot of push of our interior lineman and they'll stunt their DLineman along the L.O.S. to counter act and frustrate our scheme blocking. Then we will kill ourselves.

Like last year and with a couple of our lineman over the last 3 games specifically you will see our players get frustrated and commit holding and illegal block penalties. VT will look to get us in 2nd and 10 or 15 situations which we have a hard time getting out of.

They'll see that our 3rd down conversion ratio is horrible and they'll put us in those situations all day and make us beat them.

Our defense will see the field so much, like last year, they'll end up giving up some points because we won't move the ball well.

I don't see us winning the Line of Scrimmage battle in this game. Like I said in another post, our line will get exposed this weekend. You will see guys getting pushed off the line, stupid concentration penalties, more than your average holding penalties, etc. etc. We have certain players who are undisciplined and will get their butts handed to them. And you will see a lot of penalties on our interior lineman. My guess is they will cause at least 5 big penalties in this game.

VT eats this stuff up. The only way I see GT being able to win this game, is if we can utilize our short passing game. If Reggie can take three step drops and dump off passes in the flats or over the middle which is not his specialty. The longer Reggie has to sit in the pocket, the more likely you are going to see our Olineman crumble and start holding. Nix needs to line up in Power I and prove a running game and mix it up with quick strike formations out of Shotgun.
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The best DB e will play this year? i think thats one of there problems. i live in VA. and have watched all there games so far this season and there DB are fair at best. They have played Duke,Northeastern,and UNC. Thats why there numbers look good.Cincy gave them all they wanted last week. The only thing that scares me is there special Teams which looks strong like it allways does, but that is the only catagory they are beter then we are this season. They have a work in progress QB. No stand out playmakers on Offense at all, and there D line looks slower then it has in the past. Jackets 17 Hokies 0. Go Jackets!
 
BarrelORum said:
Uhhh... I was at Auburn and VT. And can tell you VT was MUCH louder than Auburn solely due to the design of the stadium. The sound travels down at the field instead of up in the air. VT is also louder than the Orange Bowl. In fact, I've been to Knoxville, The Swamp, even Bryant Denny Stadium, The Gator Bowl, The Peach Bowl and to this day I have not been to a louder stadium than VT last year for the GT game.

People who want to make this post out to be a "throw in the towel" post are absurd. I pointed out a blatant weakness that I think will be exposed this week like it was last year. Since this thread was started not one person has tried to discuss my original point or how our Offense matches up with VT.

Instead people get upset and post a bunch of rah rah nonsense that does little good on a message board to people who more than likely aren't driving up to the game at VT to cheer on the Jackets.

If you want to make a version of the Gipper speech, why not cut and paste. Otherwise, I might believe that we actually do match up well vs VT's defense if someone would make a valid point.
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Hokie fans are way worse the UGA fans. There a bunch of Roanoke 40 and up rednecks who never even went to VT. I was at last years game and I have never seen that many rednecks who know nothing about the game other then the Mike Vick years to the present. They where a nothing before Vick and yet every house in Roanoke,Lynchburg etc. flys tha god ugly turkey flag. If we get ahead in this game the fighting turkey fans will be as silent as a saturday afternoon in Duke. I was at the WVU VT game and once WVU got up the turkey fans shut there mouth. Playing in Blacksburg does not scare me one bit. Get an early lead and we take there fans right out of the game. Atleast Auburn fans have some history, go back 10 years and VT was lucky to draw 7000 for a home game.God I hate the Hokies! GT 17 VT 0
 
AlaGold said:
man, JTS flat out nailed the situation.The truth hurts.
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What? a 20% chance? Yes are coaching sucks, but did you see the Cincy game?
 
Let me ask you this. If we would have ran up the score on UVA which we could have.Would you give us more then 20% chance? Have you seen the yards they have given up to UNC and Cincy? Do you think either of those teams are beter then UVA or Troy? Also dont we have an advantage be playing much tougher teams to this point the VT? That alone says to me we have a much beter chance then 20%.
 
I agree with bsakoff being that he lives in Virginia and knows more about VThug

bsakoff said:
Ok even 30%?
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IMHO, its 50/50. Depends on how we come out if we come out ready to kick ass, we will win, if we come out flat with memories of last year, we will probably lose. I think i agree with bsakoff, VThug is not nearly as good as you guys are billing them. They beat a I-AA team in Northeastern 38-0, they then struggled early against a very poor UNC team, they again looked horrible against Duke(while committing thuggish penalties, hey what do you expect from VThug??), and last week they once again struggled throughout against a very poor Cininnati team winning 29-13. To top all this off they will be without two very good wide receivers(one of which is their kick returner), starting a green sophmore QB, and will be without their starting defensive end. Now I think our chances are very good against the thugs this Saturday, if we come out ready to kick Thug ass.
 
bsakoff said:
Let me ask you this. If we would have ran up the score on UVA which we could have.
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No, it would not effect my opinion on this game.

bsakoff said:
Would you give us more then 20% chance?
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Yes, I already am giving a 20-30% chance which on average is better than 20%.

bsakoff said:
Have you seen the yards they have given up to UNC and Cincy?
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They are giving up less than 6 ppg. Did you notice that?

bsakoff said:
Do you think either of those teams are beter then UVA or Troy?
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I think they are about even. Would you think VT was better if they ran up the score more on UNC?

bsakoff said:
Also dont we have an advantage be playing much tougher teams to this point the VT? That alone says to me we have a much beter chance then 20%.
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I think that ND is clearly the best team either has played. I don't think ND is as good as VT and we lost to ND on our own field.
 
Yeah, take out the 2 WRs and the DE and we are probably 30-40%.
 
I think we match up well against Va Tech except in two critical areas - the ability to run the ball and kick coverage.

I watched their UNC game and I think they are not as strong as last year, but still very good.

We will win if all of these three things happen:
1. We give up no scores on special teams and no returns greater than forty yards.
2. We turn the ball over no more than one time and do not give up a score on the turnover.
3. We throw the ball effectively over the middle at least twice as we did against UVA.

If we meet these three goals I see a 21-17 win by the real Tech.
 
JTS said:
They are giving up less than 6 ppg. Did you notice that?
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A statistic that sounds impressive until you consider how it has been accomplished:

Shut out Northeastern, a horrid I-AA team with a 1-3 record and ranked #106 in total offense in Division I-AA.

Shut out Duke, a horrid 0-3 I-A team who were also shut out by I-AA Richmond and ranked #110 in Division I-A in total offense.

Held a horrid 1-3 UNC team to 10 points, same team scored 16 on Rutgers and 7 against Clemson and would be ranked .

Held a horrid 1-3 Cincinnati team to 13 points, same team that scored 7 on Ohio State and 15 on Pittsburgh.

Here is a truly amazing stat:
VPI's opponents to date are 0-9 against Division I-A, and 3-3 against Division I-AA.
 
VThug is quite overbilled

It is quite obvious that VThug is not the great team everyone thinks they are. They are a solid team, having the potential to win 8 or 9 games, but they are not even close their team last year. I am not predicting a win nor would I be surprised that we lose this game, but I am quite confident we will match up very well against VThug. This game is very winnable and even more so after the suspension news. We need to put out that horrible image from last year's rout from our mind and come to our senses. VThug IS NOT AS GOOD AS EVERYONE THINKS!! Refer to mm42 and bsakoff for cold hard facts which tell the true story of VThug, not the sensationalized one which some actually believe.
 
mm42 said:
A statistic that sounds impressive until you consider how it has been accomplished:

Shut out Northeastern, a horrid I-AA team with a 1-3 record and ranked #106 in total offense in Division I-AA.

Shut out Duke, a horrid 0-3 I-A team who were also shut out by I-AA Richmond and ranked #110 in Division I-A in total offense.

Held a horrid 1-3 UNC team to 10 points, same team scored 16 on Rutgers and 7 against Clemson and would be ranked .

Held a horrid 1-3 Cincinnati team to 13 points, same team that scored 7 on Ohio State and 15 on Pittsburgh.

Here is a truly amazing stat:
VPI's opponents to date are 0-9 against Division I-A, and 3-3 against Division I-AA.
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Great post! you nailed it.
 
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