Watching history repeat itself.

cajunjacket said:
Agreed. We know the spread option works well. Is it perfect? No, but we're also not a perennial top 10 program. I think that's the root issue with the anti-spread option folks. They don't understand that Tech is a program that, at best, averages 7-8 wins with a 9+ win year sprinkled in every 3-5 years. That's the best that we could hope for. Sure, Gailey gave us something like that when he brought in top notch talent (megatron, PJ daniels, and tenuta's vaunted defenses), but CPJ was even more successful with much lower quality talent. CPJ breathed life into our program that we hadn't seen in decades. It's a proven system, and if we have a chance of putting in a proven coach that runs similar system (Jeff Monken), we'd be fools to pass that up and roll the dice on another pro-style coach.

PS I'm definitely not an option cult member. I loved watching Gailey's teams when they were hitting on all cylinders. I just think Jeff would give us the best chance at succeeding on a regular basis.
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Chadwell is the answer your looking for, he runs a sexy modernized version of the PJ spread that we can all get behind
 
CarsonNewmanJacket said:
The thing with Deion is that he's going to bring all the football talent in the world here. Travis will follow him, multiple big name transfers will come, and with that skill set, it'll be real tough for him to suck. I like Chadwell's scheme, I like him as a coach. It's just that under him, it'll take a few years to bounce back instead of almost instantaneously under Deion.
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Chadwell can kick ass in the ACC with the talant we have already, Deion will have to get his players in (if he can)
 
cajunjacket said:
Agreed. We know the spread option works well. Is it perfect? No, but we're also not a perennial top 10 program. I think that's the root issue with the anti-spread option folks. They don't understand that Tech is a program that, at best, averages 7-8 wins with a 9+ win year sprinkled in every 3-5 years. That's the best that we could hope for. Sure, Gailey gave us something like that when he brought in top notch talent (megatron, PJ daniels, and tenuta's vaunted defenses), but CPJ was even more successful with much lower quality talent. CPJ breathed life into our program that we hadn't seen in decades. It's a proven system, and if we have a chance of putting in a proven coach that runs similar system (Jeff Monken), we'd be fools to pass that up and roll the dice on another pro-style coach.

PS I'm definitely not an option cult member. I loved watching Gailey's teams when they were hitting on all cylinders. I just think Jeff would give us the best chance at succeeding on a regular basis.
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I think the debate is this:

Whether tech is limited to that 7-8 win average without larger changes, what the cost of the changes to get us above that threshold would be (financial or academic), and would it change the identity of GT athletics.

If we won't get the changes / money needed (even if we were in agreement on which changes we do need), then the discussion would have to be alternative ways of competitive advantage.

QuadF said:
We can use a different scheme to gain an advantage over Clemson and uga, can recruit superior athletes than them (so it won't matter), or can find a coach who can run Clemson or uga's schemes better than they can.

Which do you suggest is the most realistic avenue for success? Bear in mind our coach budget
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BeeStorm said:
how many did we have on our team during our most recent 11 win season?

how many did Chan have on his 8 win teams?

how many did Collins have before Gibbs left?
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1) we have one 11 win season and that's it, we now only recruit 3 stars.

2) I don't care what anyone says, Calvin Johnson was one of the top 5 recruits of his class. We gave Gailey 5 years which includes the flunkgate debacle from our academic advisors. Gailey should have been given more than 5 years. I still say 2008, 2009 would have been GT victories over UGAg, Johnson or not. We had the personnel finally in place, recruited by Chan.

3) not sure, several 4 stars and a terrible coach.
 
The Jacket said:
There is no coach alive who can accomplish what you're describing. We are capable of competing nationally with the talent we can bring in under any coach, we twice fielded one of the best teams in the nation with a high school offense and a coach with all the charisma of Deion's scar tissue, who had nevertheless coached and prepared his team well and so they played well.

Lots of you still seem to think we are the right coach away from being Clemson and that is very simply not true. Making a hire in pursuit of illogical and impossible goals will invariably produce unsatisfactory results.
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I honestly think we are if we get the right guy. We have talent, we just need coaches.
 
MidnightJacket said:
Who is crapping on PJ's legacy? Was his legacy forcing GT to play the option for the rest of eternity?
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I believe the "let's never go back to the TO ever again" is being made equal to "crapping on PJ's legacy".

Personally I don't care if we run a broken wing-t with a QB who has a leg 3 inches shorter than the other if we win with it.
 
BeeStorm said:
I linked the wrong one. the OP may be Nostraööööingdamus.

this is our punishment because stansbury did not support johnson

and we let him get away with it
stingtalk.com stingtalk.com
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That thread is golden.
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BeeStorm said:
how many did we have on our team during our most recent 11 win season?

how many did Chan have on his 8 win teams?

how many did Collins have before Gibbs left?
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2014 team per 247: Mason, Thomas, Young, Kallon, Devine

Chan only had 1 8+ win team. 2006 team per 247: Jordan, Cooper, Scott, Grant, Calvin (they have as a 5*)

2021 team per 247: blackstrain, blackburn, gibbs, sims, brooks, sims (miles)
cpj recruits: king, b swilling
 
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