We lose another one

MacDaddy2 said:
We can only hope and prey for the former because if it is the latter we will return to the world of 2 win seasons.
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Seeing as how we play in the ACC, I think there's a very good chance its the former. Now if we were still in the SEC, then I'd be worried.
 
knoxjacket said:
not a fan of drunken debauchery with east cobb blondes?
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I went to GSU for a semester...easiest school I've ever attended.

8th grade at GAC was much harder.

Oh....and drunken debauchery can take place in Idaho too....or anywhere else for that matter. Doesn't mean I want to move to Idaho.
 
MacDaddy2 said:
I have a hunch that the CPJ regime will either have the type of success that will draw national attention (playing on the heart strings of the nostalgic olden days) or "the system" will be a total disaster that empty the cupboard of "NFL type" players and that will set the program back 10 years.

We can only hope and prey for the former because if it is the latter we will return to the world of 2 win seasons.
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I think this is a very poignant comment but I do think that while it could go south, I sincerely doubt it. The reason I say that is that at no point have I ever read anything critical of CPJ or his system that has objective basis. I also think every major sports outlet wouldn't call it a great hire, etc, etc. Additionally I don't think the alums, AA, etc would have gone after someone so hard and thrown all that money at them if they didn't sincerely believe it was the best choice. We had plenty of choice in other coaches who ran more traditional programs, we chose CPJ and I hardly think this was a Dave Braine, half-assed type search.
 
GTatUSC said:
I think this is a very poignant comment but I do think that while it could go south, I sincerely doubt it. The reason I say that is that at no point have I ever read anything critical of CPJ or his system that has objective basis. I also think every major sports outlet wouldn't call it a great hire, etc, etc. Additionally I don't think the alums, AA, etc would have gone after someone so hard and thrown all that money at them if they didn't sincerely believe it was the best choice. We had plenty of choice in other coaches who ran more traditional programs, we chose CPJ and I hardly think this was a Dave Braine, half-assed type search.
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Gosh, do I hope you are right. I think the issue is will this system work at the highest D1 level. We should all be very careful when we hear the average points per game against D1 schools. Look at the Navy media guide and you will see the need for caution.
 
I'm sure this is a subjective question, but from those in the know more than I am - Does the effectiveness on this offense rely on the novelty, the physcial power/speed, confusion, or actual skill. I guess what I'm wondering is assume a team figures out how to defend it effectively...is it completely shut down? Or is it like any other game where yea the other team knows what your offense is but at the end of the day thats why you have plays and play hard because you outplay them? I think the entire worry would be that the offense is only based on novelty, confusion and once you cut through that fog its so predictable theres no way for the offense to score...Thoughts?
 
GTatUSC said:
I'm sure this is a subjective question, but from those in the know more than I am - Does the effectiveness on this offense rely on the novelty, the physcial power/speed, confusion, or actual skill. I guess what I'm wondering is assume a team figures out how to defend it effectively...is it completely shut down? Or is it like any other game where yea the other team knows what your offense is but at the end of the day thats why you have plays and play hard because you outplay them? I think the entire worry would be that the offense is only based on novelty, confusion and once you cut through that fog its so predictable theres no way for the offense to score...Thoughts?
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First off, I'm no expert on this offense and all my opinions are based on what I've read about our new offense from these boards. So....

I think that our offense will force teams to play us in more of a man-coverage because 7 of the guys on each play are just as likely to end up with the ball. Even if the defense we play is amazing and knows our plays, they still have to maintain discipline to stay with their assignments while trying to disrupt our play. Our offense will hinge on whether or not we execute well (which we should be able to do with more reps) and take advantage of any mental lapses the defenders make. Since there's man coverage all over the field, if one defender makes a mistake, it could be a huge gain for the offense. I know that's pretty simplistic, but that's the great advantage of this offense as I see it. The defense has so much to watch for each play, that even if they make a few great stops here and there, eventually, they will mess up and that's where they'll get burnt.
 
I would take exception to criticism or even "good riddance" posts concerning players who have left or will leave. They were recruited by a coaching staff that won and was fired. The incoming staff brought in a very different philosophy. I thought Dunmon, Donley, Peek, Bennett, etc. played well and/or hard with what opportunity they had at Tech. I am sorry their coming to play for us did not work out well for them and wish them the very best.

I agree with the post that Coach Johnson is really rolling the dice with transforming the program to his system. I think that players with an eye on the NFL will indeed be less likely to sign or stay. But, he needs to roll the dice. In firing Gailey the Tech fan base and AD were saying winning seasons and minor bowls are not acceptable. This is a high risk approach we are taking to get to 11 and 12 win seasons and winning championships. We all hope it works. But ACC offenses across the board have been struggling in the ACC - look at recent Seminole and Hurricane teams. So, we are trying a different approach and will soon see how it works out.

My only hope is that if in the short run we fall back to losing seasons and then get back to 7-5 and Boise we won't celebrate the rebuilding of the program. Four years from now if the hire has accomplished what it was supposed to accomplish, we will be a favorite for winning the ACC's BCS bid and will be considered a top 10/15 team.
 
GTatUSC said:
I'm sure this is a subjective question, but from those in the know more than I am - Does the effectiveness on this offense rely on the novelty, the physcial power/speed, confusion, or actual skill. I guess what I'm wondering is assume a team figures out how to defend it effectively...is it completely shut down? Or is it like any other game where yea the other team knows what your offense is but at the end of the day thats why you have plays and play hard because you outplay them? I think the entire worry would be that the offense is only based on novelty, confusion and once you cut through that fog its so predictable theres no way for the offense to score...Thoughts?
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Its basically the ultimate offense for keeping the defense honest, theres not a lot of opportunities for double coverage, cheating to the strong/weak side, etc. Forces the defense to play you straight up most of the time, or take a much larger gamble to "cheat".

This gives the offense a lot of advantages as the players (after the pitch) don't have to be as reactionary and can just do their assignment, while the defensive side of the ball has to account for a lot more possibilities, leading to missed assignments and mismatches.

As for having a hard road to hoe if it doesnt work out? Sorta, but I dont think its really that different from any other change. We'll have option oriented QBs, and maybe not a lot of tall burner receivers and maybe lighter/quicker OL, but possesion receivers should be beating down the door to play in this offense, and the RBs are going to be stocked too.
 
GTatUSC said:
I'm sure this is a subjective question, but from those in the know more than I am - Does the effectiveness on this offense rely on the novelty, the physcial power/speed, confusion, or actual skill. I guess what I'm wondering is assume a team figures out how to defend it effectively...is it completely shut down? Or is it like any other game where yea the other team knows what your offense is but at the end of the day thats why you have plays and play hard because you outplay them? I think the entire worry would be that the offense is only based on novelty, confusion and once you cut through that fog its so predictable theres no way for the offense to score...Thoughts?
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I cannot find the link right now, but I read a post where a Notre Dame blogger, I think, broke down the Navy game plan against Notre Dame this year.

PJ makes adjustments in games. Corners playing far off the line opens up the pitch. They'll leave defenders unblocked most of the game, then every now and then either run a straight power play or a sweep with more traditional blocking that completely throws them off guard.

It seems to me that the entire offense requires effective blocking. If we have that, PJ will mix up everything else into a solid game.
 
Guys, WFU has been winning, with less talent than we presently have on our roster, with a form of the TO. Navy - yes, they are D1A - has won big with it. This is no prescription here for a return to 2-win seasons. At worst, we'll look at a few 5/6-win seasons and then make another change. The core is the same for any type O, only the skill guys change, and only in numbers. You bulk OL up or slim them down, big WR's are a plus to both styles, and RB's are RB's. The only big difference is at the QB position, and we're only 1 recruiting year away from landing the QB we need. Might I add that 8 of the last 9 times we beat UGAG, we were running a form of option/multiple type offense.

Don't let your hearts be troubled... CPJ will win at GT at least as well as CCG did.
 
77GTFan said:
I would take exception to criticism or even "good riddance" posts concerning players who have left or will leave. They were recruited by a coaching staff that won and was fired. The incoming staff brought in a very different philosophy. I thought Dunmon, Donley, Peek, Bennett, etc. played well and/or hard with what opportunity they had at Tech. I am sorry their coming to play for us did not work out well for them and wish them the very best.

I agree with the post that Coach Johnson is really rolling the dice with transforming the program to his system. I think that players with an eye on the NFL will indeed be less likely to sign or stay. But, he needs to roll the dice. In firing Gailey the Tech fan base and AD were saying winning seasons and minor bowls are not acceptable. This is a high risk approach we are taking to get to 11 and 12 win seasons and winning championships. We all hope it works. But ACC offenses across the board have been struggling in the ACC - look at recent Seminole and Hurricane teams. So, we are trying a different approach and will soon see how it works out.

My only hope is that if in the short run we fall back to losing seasons and then get back to 7-5 and Boise we won't celebrate the rebuilding of the program. Four years from now if the hire has accomplished what it was supposed to accomplish, we will be a favorite for winning the ACC's BCS bid and will be considered a top 10/15 team.
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Exellent post
 
wesleyd21 said:
I went to GSU for a semester...easiest school I've ever attended.
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I went to Kennesaw State University for a year before going to Tech...it was an absolute joke compared to Tech(and I did take a senior level course during my time there). I wonder if U[sic]GA is quite that easy.
 
refrigeratormover said:
I do wish the young man luck but at the introduction of PJ's news conference Trey and a couple more players were the only ones that didn't get up and give the coach a standing welcome. Also, from one of the OL coaches, they were worried about his attitude as well.

I thought the kid was aggressive and last season didn't look to be that much over the 275 weight. I do wish him well though.
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Good riddance, lardass. I suspect he's skeert of the academics. More beer and pussy @ Southern. Thanks dude.
 
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