Weis knows...just not telling...

instant oatmeal said:
charlie weis isn't nick saban. not even close... you guys should know that.


i read his book "No Excuses." he sat down with his family when ND offered him a contract extension. they talked about it and weis told his son, "you know, i could make a lot more as an NFL head coach." and his son replied, "dad, how much money do we really need anyway?" weis agreed... and accepted the offer... for 10 years.
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I've got to take our ND friend's side on this issue. I think Weis is exactly where he wants to be.
 
I'd like to fill in the ellipses here:

Weis knows he's going to lose he's just not telling his poor doomed players.

:)
 
mm42 said:
I'd like to fill in the ellipses here:

Weis knows he's going to lose he's just not telling his poor doomed players.

:)
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the offensive line knows, thats how the GT coaches already know, one of ND's lineman squeeled to a buddy, i guess you could say the source could be wrong but i think everyone thinks its pretty accurate
 
demjackets said:
the offensive line knows, thats how the GT coaches already know, one of ND's lineman squeeled to a buddy, i guess you could say the source could be wrong but i think everyone thinks its pretty accurate
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That wouldn't be the only case of an ND player "squealing" this year. The untouchable Armando Allen is guilty of it himself.
 
demjackets said:
the offensive line knows, thats how the GT coaches already know, one of ND's lineman squeeled to a buddy, i guess you could say the source could be wrong but i think everyone thinks its pretty accurate
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Forgive me for my ignorance (I did try to google the answer), but who did the OLineman say would be the starter??

Hell, what does it matter...we will roll.
 
I'm not going to pretend to know anything about football outside of being a loyal Tech fan.... but, if ND has 2 equal talents at QB, one being a passer and the other a runner, and them having the impression that the running game won it for them last year against Tenuta's D, then that is your answer. There may be some change in game plan at some point, but I bet the predominant plan for them is to run run run. Putting a rookie QB in front of our front 7 has got to be a challenge. Best pick the one that can move on their feet, IMHO.

On the other side of the ball, our plan will be the same.... run Deuce over and over again. Say what we will about our hope to Taylor, but we are going to be running running running. It's smart and it plays into Chan's style, as well.

We're going to be in for a fast opening game. Hope to see some of you in South Bend.
 
Charlie Weis will never be at ND for 10 years.

The first losing season he has after year 4, he will be fired.
 
#1) Armando Allen spilled the beans about Clausen's arm being messed up right after spring practice. this wasn't a very recent event -- in fact, his statement is what got the media alerted to the whole thing... this was back in like May. i'm guessing weis punished him severely for this since he comes from the Belichick/Parcells bloodline and keeps all injury reports under wraps.

#2) believe what you want about weis. i'm obviously not going to change your opinions, and you, likewise, won't change mine. we'll just amicably agree to disagree. however, someone brought up a good point about him maybe leaving for the NFL after Charlie Jr graduates... i think that this is the only possibility, though, i think Weis will be ready to retire after Jr graduates college.

#3) beej67, Ty was fired b/c of a multitude of reasons -- not just having 2 losing seasons in a row. Ty was a terrible recruiter. He pulled in the fewest number of recruits (and they were all lowly rated, too) in the history of ND in his second recruiting cycle... and then pulled EVEN LESS in his 3rd recruiting cycle. Did you know that Willingham signed exactly 1 DL in 3 years? he didn't even try to recruit. That, and he lost games that he never should've lost. He petitioned to get the schedule changed to play BYU before UM one year (it was accepted) and then lost to BYU, lol. And, now, because of that agreement, he had to agree to play san diego state in 2008 for an opener (blah). there were a lot of things going on.

#4) Layemdown made some good points. i agree with what he said. the more i think about it, the more i think DD will start.

#5) i believe that the ND OL would be much smarter than you are claiming, demjackets. i'm sure Weis has ingrained the secrecy into their heads. in fact, i know some students up at ND that are very close to the players, and whenever it's brought up, they are told that they aren't allowed to discuss it. i'm certain that if something was said, it was a decoy.
 
instant oatmeal said:
Ty was fired b/c of a multitude of reasons -- not just having 2 losing seasons in a row. Ty was a terrible recruiter.
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First, I wouldn’t call Willingham a “terrible recruiter.” Maybe he was at Notre Dame, I honestly didn’t pay you guys much attention then because let us not forget that Notre Dame had been on the down slide ever since Bob Davie took over the team in 1997.

Willingham inherited a team that lost the 1997 Independence Bowl, the 1998 Gator Bowl, didn’t qualify in 1999, lost the 2000 Fiesta Bowl, and didn’t qualify again in 2001.

Since taking over at Washington, Willingham’s recruiting efforts ranked the Huskies 35 in 2006, 29 in 2007, and are currently ranked 26 in 2008…According to Scout. That is not that bad and Washington is a lot harder school to recruit than Notre Dame.
 
io, some of us are jerking your chain.

Just some good natured fun relieving the anxiety of August. You've been a good sport and defender of ND.

That being said I'm going to spill the beans. We have a mole in South Bend. His code name is Kenneth George Burdell. He is a special envoy from the Vatican which gives him access to the entire campus as well as diplomatic immunity.

Y'all will not know his true identity untill he is paged during the game to report to the GT band.

By the way, even Knute thinks its crazy for this years ND team to run the box formation. Tell CW to quit wasting time practicing that formation. He won't surprise anyone,

:cool:
 
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First, I wouldn’t call Willingham a “terrible recruiter.” Maybe he was at Notre Dame,
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stop right there. he pulled in the 2 worst recruiting classes in the history of ND ... one right after the other. of his 2004 recruiting class, only 6 people remain. you could say 7 if you count Darrin Bragg (who left the team and was invited back... no scholarship). 6 people... 6. in a full year of recruiting. There were 16 signed... only one has left early (Darius Walker) to the NFL. Next year, only 15 were signed. 15 people... and this is not because of max scholarship limit -- ND was WELL under 85. Compared to the USC's and UF's and Texas's of the world, it's hard to recruit at ND (because of lack of in state football talent)... but not THAT hard, especially compared to other schools. these were the 2 worst classes in ND history (since recruiting has been followed by the media). The two worst.

I honestly didn’t pay you guys much attention then because let us not forget that Notre Dame had been on the down slide ever since Bob Davie took over the team in 1997.
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ND wasn't on a complete slide.... there were up and down years. yeah, the last decade of football sucked for irish fans, but there were good seasons interspersed (hence, all the "return to glory" claims). bob davie's teams went: 7-6, 9-3, 5-7, 9-3, and 5-6. the only thing that kept him off of the hot seat for a while was that he was bringing in good recruiting classes. ....but that led to his ultimate firing since he wasnt developing the talent.... and he was AWFUL at time clock management. Ty's seasons were 10-3, 5-7, 6-6.

Willingham inherited a team that lost the 1997 Independence Bowl, the 1998 Gator Bowl, didn’t qualify in 1999, lost the 2000 Fiesta Bowl, and didn’t qualify again in 2001.
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let's not look at records... let's look at talent. Ty had a LOT of residual talent left over from Davie. he had Julius Jones who had two games of rushing for over 230 yards. STILL, he only gave JJ about 10-15 carries a game. his west coast offense was a joke. furthermore, Ty went to the Gator Bowl his first year, didn't qualify in his second year, and went to the insight bowl in his 3rd year. how is that any better than davie? Davie's winning percentage was 58%. Ty's was 59%. that wasn't an upgrade at all. just for the record, weis's winning percentage is 76%.

to me, willingham simply failed to do his job on and off of the field.
 
Re: io, some of us are jerking your chain.

augustabuzz said:
Just some good natured fun relieving the anxiety of August. You've been a good sport and defender of ND.
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thanks. i've enjoyed my time here and the conversations as well. i know that you guys give me a good ribbing for fun... i don't take it personal; i've even slung some poo myself. i know, ultimately, we are rooting against each other, but we are all at least being cordial about it. i DO like to correct people when it comes to inaccuracies, though... b/c i believe everyone should know the full story. that's why i initially came on this board -- to wash out some of the trash that ND fans "assume" about the GT program and learn from second-hand info about your team.

That being said I'm going to spill the beans. We have a mole in South Bend. His code name is Kenneth George Burdell. He is a special envoy from the Vatican which gives him access to the entire campus as well as diplomatic immunity.
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lol, i googled the name and found this.... it's a funny story:
George P. Burdell is a fictional student created by Ed Smith in 1927. Smith registered George P. Burdell in all his classes, completed his schoolwork and tests, and saw to his graduation in 1930 with a bachelor's degree. Other students since Smith have helped him to a master's degree and a tour of duty in the military. George P. Burdell is still enrolled at Georgia Tech today.
lol, i would've never known... that's good stuff.

Y'all will not know his true identity untill he is paged during the game to report to the GT band.
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lol, so i'm assuming he finished his tour of duty? i'd like to meet this scholarly patriot.

By the way, even Knute thinks its crazy for this years ND team to run the box formation.
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Knute isn't talking to the media right now... he's busy partying with Elvis.

Tell CW to quit wasting time practicing that formation. He won't surprise anyone:cool:
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i can't. he used it as a smokescreen during the open practices to give tenuta another formation to look at.
 
instant oatmeal said:
#1) Armando Allen spilled the beans about Clausen's arm being messed up right after spring practice. this wasn't a very recent event -- in fact, his statement is what got the media alerted to the whole thing... this was back in like May. i'm guessing weis punished him severely for this since he comes from the Belichick/Parcells bloodline and keeps all injury reports under wraps.

#2) believe what you want about weis. i'm obviously not going to change your opinions, and you, likewise, won't change mine. we'll just amicably agree to disagree. however, someone brought up a good point about him maybe leaving for the NFL after Charlie Jr graduates... i think that this is the only possibility, though, i think Weis will be ready to retire after Jr graduates college.

#3) beej67, Ty was fired b/c of a multitude of reasons -- not just having 2 losing seasons in a row. Ty was a terrible recruiter. He pulled in the fewest number of recruits (and they were all lowly rated, too) in the history of ND in his second recruiting cycle... and then pulled EVEN LESS in his 3rd recruiting cycle. Did you know that Willingham signed exactly 1 DL in 3 years? he didn't even try to recruit. That, and he lost games that he never should've lost. He petitioned to get the schedule changed to play BYU before UM one year (it was accepted) and then lost to BYU, lol. And, now, because of that agreement, he had to agree to play san diego state in 2008 for an opener (blah). there were a lot of things going on.

#4) Layemdown made some good points. i agree with what he said. the more i think about it, the more i think DD will start.

#5) i believe that the ND OL would be much smarter than you are claiming, demjackets. i'm sure Weis has ingrained the secrecy into their heads. in fact, i know some students up at ND that are very close to the players, and whenever it's brought up, they are told that they aren't allowed to discuss it. i'm certain that if something was said, it was a decoy.
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You would think they would be but its already been brought to the staff's attention, the one lineman who will not be named knows many people around the GT program. I'm pretty sure its the truth, but hey im sure most people on the board will agree with you that im usually wrong about stuff.....ha
 
#3) beej67, Ty was fired b/c of a multitude of reasons -- not just having 2 losing seasons in a row. Ty was a terrible recruiter. He pulled in the fewest number of recruits (and they were all lowly rated, too) in the history of ND in his second recruiting cycle... and then pulled EVEN LESS in his 3rd recruiting cycle. Did you know that Willingham signed exactly 1 DL in 3 years? he didn't even try to recruit. That, and he lost games that he never should've lost. He petitioned to get the schedule changed to play BYU before UM one year (it was accepted) and then lost to BYU, lol. And, now, because of that agreement, he had to agree to play san diego state in 2008 for an opener (blah). there were a lot of things going on.
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One: Ty recruited the guys Weis used in his first season. Two: I didn't say jack squat about Ty. All I said was that ND would fire Weis before his 10 years are up, and they will.

Weis's 'luster' will carry them through the losing season they have this year. Then it will carry them through one more losing season inside his 4th year, if they have one. Past that, the first losing season they have Weis will be kicked to the curb by a bunch of irate fans, including you, Oatmeal, who refuse to 'accept mediocrity,' and who claim 'the game has passed him by,' and who say that he 'can't recruit,' and any number of the standard, tired, lame excuse reasons fans call for a coaches head.

The only thing that's going to prevent Weis from being fired by ND is if he catches wind that it's coming, and he ditches ND first. (e.g. herb sendek)

It's the way of the world in college football. ND fans are just as crazy as Bama fans. Who was the last coach to last 10 years at ND?
 
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