What kind of timeframe are we looking at?

1982Jacket said:
You sure do hate that kid, don't you? Did he knock up your daughter?

I dunno . . . they're college kids, playing for free . . . and for my alma mater at that. I just don't think it's appropriate for a grown man to make such personal attacks over and over and over at college kids like that. And it's even worse when it's your own alma mater. YMMV.
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You sure he’s not on scholarship? I do believe it’s a bad idea to play major college football if you can’t handle scrutiny. Hell, he is about to be a 25 year old kid, many are married with jobs and kids themselves at that age. I’ve also advocated for him to get drafted after this year, it’s still a hope of mine. God I hope somehow.
 
smokey_wasp said:
You would start counting with the 2020 class. The 2019 class was mostly CPJ's kids.
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That is one viewpoint. It's reasonable.

On the other hand, he WAS hired in early December 2018, and signing day was February 2019. It is not entirely unreasonable to count that first class against his four years (which I think is too generous, anyway).

Since I understand that they're paying him through 2025, with Tech's athletic department I guess it's probably a moot point anyway until at least the end of 2023. FIVE full years. Maybe longer because if they fired him after 2023, they would still owe him nearly $7 million.
 
Akinji07 said:
Some of you are cracking me up with the commentary. But I understand. You’re passionate, you wanna win now and this is frustrating. If we lost to FSU the bar wouldn’t be set high, but FSU looks worse than we did last year. Just know Collins is not going anywhere until the end of 2023 and we’re not bringing triple option back.
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Sensible post of the year finalist.
 
1982Jacket said:
That is one viewpoint. It's reasonable.

On the other hand, he WAS hired in early December 2018, and signing day was February 2019. It is not entirely unreasonable to count that first class against his four years (which I think is too generous, anyway)
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That’s not how recruiting works. You can’t come in two months before signing day (really less since he was hired mid December and signing day was early February) and expect to sign any recruit of worth. The other coaches have already developed relationships with those kids. They aren’t flipping to a first year coach.
 
GTWannaBee said:
That’s not how recruiting works. You can’t come in two months before signing day (really less since he was hired mid December and signing day was early February) and expect to sign any recruit of worth. The other coaches have already developed relationships with those kids. They aren’t flipping to a first year coach.
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Yeah. Impressive that he got Ahmarean Brown, Mike Lockhart and Jamious Griffin.
 
I would oppose firing this coach and staff in anything short of five seasons. I have never been a “fire the coach” type of person. I can be critical and I can get pretty ridiculous during and immediately after a loss. But, as reason sets in you realize a coaching carousel at a school seldom yields positive results.

Transitioning out of a triple option offensive system is more difficult than other transitions, especially in years one and two. But, in any transition it takes to year five to be playing with a team you have both recruited and developed. In years five through seven you really see what your program will look like with a coaching staff.

I was not a great fan of the Collins hire, simply because two years of head coaching experience at Temple, winning seasons, but less successful than the previous two seasons under his predecessor, was underwhelming. But, he is our coach and I support him. His enthusiasm, love for Georgia Tech and recruiting deserves praise. His player development and in game decision making has yet to impress.

We just have to enjoy things one week at a time. Beating FSU was fun. Losing to UCF and Syracuse has been miserable. We are a long way from where we need to be. We need to temper our enthusiasm with realism on the good days and try to be reasonable in our criticism after the losses. While we should never shoot for less than championships, we should also learn the good in winning seasons and bowl games. I am pulling for this staff and players to get us to that place again and will enjoy the good day’s and good players along the way. Go Jackets!
 
77GTFan said:
I would oppose firing this coach and staff in anything short of five seasons. I have never been a “fire the coach” type of person. I can be critical and I can get pretty ridiculous during and immediately after a loss. But, as reason sets in you realize a coaching carousel at a school seldom yields positive results.

Transitioning out of a triple option offensive system is more difficult than other transitions, especially in years one and two. But, in any transition it takes to year five to be playing with a team you have both recruited and developed. In years five through seven you really see what your program will look like with a coaching staff.

I was not a great fan of the Collins hire, simply because two years of head coaching experience at Temple, winning seasons, but less successful than the previous two seasons under his predecessor, was underwhelming. But, he is our coach and I support him. His enthusiasm, love for Georgia Tech and recruiting deserves praise. His player development and in game decision making has yet to impress.

We just have to enjoy things one week at a time. Beating FSU was fun. Losing to UCF and Syracuse has been miserable. We are a long way from where we need to be. We need to temper our enthusiasm with realism on the good days and try to be reasonable in our criticism after the losses. While we should never shoot for less than championships, we should also learn the good in winning seasons and bowl games. I am pulling for this staff and players to get us to that place again and will enjoy the good day’s and good players along the way. Go Jackets!
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Last year was year zero. It was a free year for Collins.
This year is year one. No one really expected us to win a lot of games until after FSU. We’re all snapping back to reality now.
Next year is year two. We need to start seeing some results next year.
2022 is the telling year. If we aren’t seeing significant improvements by then, we’re in trouble.

I still believe. I’m happy with the vision and the energy around the program right now. Choice, O’Leary, and Coleman believe in CGC. That’s good enough for me this year.
 
77GTFan said:
I would oppose firing this coach and staff in anything short of five seasons. I have never been a “fire the coach” type of person. I can be critical and I can get pretty ridiculous during and immediately after a loss. But, as reason sets in you realize a coaching carousel at a school seldom yields positive results.

Transitioning out of a triple option offensive system is more difficult than other transitions, especially in years one and two. But, in any transition it takes to year five to be playing with a team you have both recruited and developed. In years five through seven you really see what your program will look like with a coaching staff.

I was not a great fan of the Collins hire, simply because two years of head coaching experience at Temple, winning seasons, but less successful than the previous two seasons under his predecessor, was underwhelming. But, he is our coach and I support him. His enthusiasm, love for Georgia Tech and recruiting deserves praise. His player development and in game decision making has yet to impress.

We just have to enjoy things one week at a time. Beating FSU was fun. Losing to UCF and Syracuse has been miserable. We are a long way from where we need to be. We need to temper our enthusiasm with realism on the good days and try to be reasonable in our criticism after the losses. While we should never shoot for less than championships, we should also learn the good in winning seasons and bowl games. I am pulling for this staff and players to get us to that place again and will enjoy the good day’s and good players along the way. Go Jackets!
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Pretty good post
 
you want nattys? Compare this to Clemson.

Building talent but not a winning culture
Then picking off some big wins (UGA for example)
Then the playoffs
Then the nattys

Clemson under Dabo took about 4 years to get over Clemsoning, but each year the team made progress. It was a long, uphill battle. Are we asking for too much in year 2 or seeing too many issues that don’t create winners? Time will tell. I don’t know any way someone can justifiably say this team moved forward since last year. New talent was injected and the penalties multiplied. The kicking game is a fireable offense after week 3. This team made no ground since last year. More pass yards and nothing to show for it except turnovers. In many respects it is moving backwards. For a ‘developmental program’ that is a damning rebuke.

Either CGC needs to carve out a future that is based on results instead of dumbass hype moments like blue carpet intros, practice DJs, and hyperbole, or he needs to dump major parts of his supporting cast for winners that can get the job done no matter the ‘culture’. If he doesn’t I am fully ready to consider him a regrettable 6-year meme. The latter option here is the Dabo method. I have no confidence in Patenaude based on his inability to read what Syracuse was giving him. Their defense played into our strengths but he continued to make terrible calls.
 
Sims is definitely a talent for the future, but it's pure coaching or lack of, to not recognize and correct his staring down his primary receiver. Our opposing DCs definitely see it.
 
GoldZ said:
Sims is definitely a talent for the future, but it's pure coaching or lack of, to not recognize and correct his staring down his primary receiver. Our opposing DCs definitely see it.
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I still played guitar really well when I was 17, but I only picked down on the strings and never up. This caused me to waste a lot of movement.
Do you know how hard it is to break a habit like that? Might take a while.
 
BigDanT said:
I still played guitar really well when I was 17, but I only picked down on the strings and never up. This caused me to waste a lot of movement.
Do you know how hard it is to break a habit like that? Might take a while.
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If it takes him or any other young QB, quite a while to correct it, we will never know because he won't be starting.
 
BigDanT said:
I still played guitar really well when I was 17, but I only picked down on the strings and never up. This caused me to waste a lot of movement.
Do you know how hard it is to break a habit like that? Might take a while.
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I understand your point, but I imagine it's quite different...lol
 
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