Which QB am I describing?

[floridajacket]

Beej,

I have to agree with BOR. The most laughable point you made was "poor decision maker." The decisions Nesbitt has to make every single down are orders of magnitude more difficult than Reggie's "decisions," which were almost always either throw to the first option or run.

Nesbitt has also made more passes, such as the one IIRC to Bebe in the 2nd quarter, over the middle and between defenders, that Reggie never made before his senior year.

I would also say Nesbitt is at least as good as eluding defenders and certainly the better runner. For the former, Reggie's OL performed better all four years than Nesbitt's has the past few games. It's hard to elude when you're swallowed up by defenders. For the latter, Reggie had decent north-south speed to pick up lots of yards when defenders were asleep, but was ineffective at making tacklers miss. Nesbitt, on the other hand, has made long runs given nothing in terms of space.

Sorry to pile on. This is my first time reading the thread and I had to get that off my chest.

 

[H-town]

Interesting. OL looks like crap yet again, defense is dominated, only forces one punt, LBs heads are still probably spinning.

Oh I know, lets throw the QB under bus. Who cares if he was running for his life all day and wasn't able to set his feet once because he had atleast 2 guys in his face as soon as he looked down field. Yep, it must be the QBs fault.

Some of you guys don't have a clue. lol

Ahh yes, the typical Hive response.

The QB is by far the most important person on the field in this offense. If the OL isn't working, then throw some quick slants or try a screen pass once in a while. Call plays that get the ball out of the QB's hands faster. I never saw that. And Nesbitt had time on the pass plays. He just needs to learn to get rid of the ball rather than taking the sack. Something it took a whole season for Reggie to learn.

 

[lonestarjacket]

Reggie's biggest problem was that he looked better as a freshman than as a senior. Obviously some of that ggoes on the coaches, but I believe the cocky attitude may have prevented him from learning effectively.

Another big problem Reggie had was he was unsuited for the offense we were trying to run. Again, that goes to the coaches to either find a different QB or change the offense.

Not trying to hate on Reggie so much as to say that Nesbitt is more promising as a prospect.

If Nesbitt's completion percentage doesn't improve by the time he is a senior then we can talk. (Although Reggie's probably would have been worse without Calvin Johnson.)

 

[JTS]

Pound-for-pound and inch-for-inch, I don't think that there is a meaningful difference in their level of athletisism, but Josh is 20-30 lbs heavier and 2-4 inches taller so likely the better athlete. Josh definitely throws a better deep ball, but it is hard to say on shorter routes. There's just not a large enough sample size.

I think that ultimately the difference between Josh and Reggie will be determined by who is / was coaching them. For better or worse, we will get to see Josh become the best QB he can be, because this coaching staff will make sure that he is prepared and put in good situations to succeed. Even if Josh fails, he will never be villified the way Reggie has because this coaching staff will not leave him in long enough to be hated for his on the field performance like Reggie was and will not tolerate the off the attitude that made fans turn against Reggie.

Under the same circumstances that Josh has, could Reggie have been as good or better than Josh will be? We'll never know for sure, but I think it safe to say that Reggie Ball would be thought of very differently if he would have had a coaching staff that prepared him better and that held him accountable for his actions both on and off the field.

 

[Ish]

The QB is by far the most important person on the field in this offense.

I think the last few games have proven your statement to be unequivocally false.

 

[odw]

Ahh yes, the typical Hive response.

The QB is by far the most important person on the field in this offense. If the OL isn't working, then throw some quick slants or try a screen pass once in a while. Call plays that get the ball out of the QB's hands faster. I never saw that. And Nesbitt had time on the pass plays. He just needs to learn to get rid of the ball rather than taking the sack. Something it took a whole season for Reggie to learn.

Ok, so its the QB fault that the play calling wasn't any good? Again, bad play calling doesn't mean we should throw Nesbitt under the bus.

On the sacks he took (only 3 by the way), he didn't have time for the most part. The only reason he had any time at all was because he was running for his life. Also, its hard to throw it away when your stuck in the pocket. Also we only run fly routes so he can't throw it towards someone trying to throw it away without risk of being picked by a safety.

So if he can't get out of the tackle box to throw it away because of pressure from both sides, and there no one near him to throw it away at, how exactly is he suppose to throw it away?

 

[gtrat1967]

Guys, try to get past the fact that BeeJ started this thread and that most of you don't seem to like his opinions very much. At present there are several areas in which JN and RB are similar at this point; whether they remain similar throughout JN's career will be seen.

Concerning RB, my son's team played against his twice in the high school playoffs; his unenviable job was to try to tackle RB, because RB did exactly the same in high achool as in college - run at every opportunity and he was very elusive. IMHO, he would be great in our current offense.

Watched the replay of Navy's game vs SMU last night, a couple of observations:
our QB plays for Navy; a frosh from Douglasville.
3rd string at present because of that, but very
very good - quick to the corner. Wonder if we
recruited him, going to navy he must have the
academics.

the attack side of navy's line does not seem to
attempt to cut-block; they were upright shoving
DL out of the way. The back side did cut trying to
take out the pursuit.

if anyone else has watched their games, did you notice this?

 

[GTJay]

I agree that yesterday was not one of Josh's better games. He lost two fumbles, threw a pick, and took at least two sacks in which he should have just thrown it away. That being said, this is only his 5th career start and only his 2nd after missing a month with a hamstring injury. I still think he's the man and will improve, but only time will tell. At any rate it's much too early to throw him under the bus (especially with our O line play and poor D effort this past week) and compare him Reggie....but on the other hand, I suspect Reggie would probably have done better with this coach and in this offense (we'll never know I guess)

 

[GTRules]

Over a four year period, I feel very good about it. I'm assuming you're trying to defend Reggie or something here, so I'm just pointing out that most people hate Reggie so much primarily because of how he lost to U[sic]GA and how he acted about it, and Josh hasn't done any of that yet(and he has said all the right things when he got a chance).

I also happen to think that Reggie would have been perfect in this offense, and we would probably be 8-0 with him in it. So it's not a bad thing to me if Josh's play is a lot like Reggie's. Right now I'd give Reggie one leg up on him because he ALWAYS hung onto the ball. That doesn't change how I feel about Reggie and his career at GT though, and it's probably the same for a lot of people.

You know, I'm a little tired of you idiots slamming Reggie. He was a guy who played hard every play and suffered over every loss. You dis him for his reaction after his last UGA game, but how many of you would have reacted better?

I for one appreciate the intensity he brought to every game. If Nesbit brings the same level of effort, we will win a MNC during his career. I hope Reggie does well, and all you people slamming him can KISS MY ASS.

 

[gth816f]

You know, I'm a little tired of you idiots slamming Reggie. He was a guy who played hard every play and suffered over every loss. You dis him for his reaction after his last UGA game, but how many of you would have reacted better?

I for one appreciate the intensity he brought to every game. If Nesbit brings the same level of effort, we will win a MNC during his career. I hope Reggie does well, and all you people slamming him can KISS MY ASS.

Reacted differently than joking and laughing on the sideline while U[sic]GA was in victory formation and then stating in the post-game press conference "It's just a game, dawg. Georgia ain't no speed bump."??? I can GUARANTEE you I would have reacted a hell of a lot differently. Anyway, I'm not the one who brought it up, but when someone says Nesbitt is going to be the same way I'm going to defend him.

 

[GT65_UGA89]

You know, I'm a little tired of you idiots slamming Reggie. ...and all you people slamming him can KISS MY ASS.

RB was an immature punk who happened to play QB at GT --and his immaturity seemed to increase from his freshman year to his senior year.

I will get behind every GT player who wears the GT on the side of their helmet and give them my full support during their days at GT and beyond --but I grew increasingly tired of watching him run off at the mouth after every single play where he ran to the sidelines or was tackled. I've never been happier to see a GT athlete move on.

 

[JTS]

On the sacks he took (only 3 by the way)

ONLY 3 SACKS (it's actually 4)!!!! We only had 15 pass attempts. If we throw the ball 30 times a game like a lot of teams, we'd be talking about 8 sacks. That's abysmally bad.

If you take away the sack yardage, we averaged nearly 5 ypc.

We had 3 turnovers, 2 in the redzone. A bad dropped pass on what would have been a big gain. On another play, Josh missed a sure thing wide open TD to Smith or Earls. Even as bad as our defense played and with the turnovers, we still had a chance to win.

By the way, how many times have we started a season better than 6-2 since Dodd left? Only once in 1990

 

[lonestarjacket]

Pound-for-pound and inch-for-inch, I don't think that there is a meaningful difference in their level of athletisism, but Josh is 20-30 lbs heavier and 2-4 inches taller so likely the better athlete. Josh definitely throws a better deep ball, but it is hard to say on shorter routes. There's just not a large enough sample size.

I think that ultimately the difference between Josh and Reggie will be determined by who is / was coaching them. For better or worse, we will get to see Josh become the best QB he can be, because this coaching staff will make sure that he is prepared and put in good situations to succeed. Even if Josh fails, he will never be villified the way Reggie has because this coaching staff will not leave him in long enough to be hated for his on the field performance like Reggie was and will not tolerate the off the attitude that made fans turn against Reggie.

Under the same circumstances that Josh has, could Reggie have been as good or better than Josh will be? We'll never know for sure, but I think it safe to say that Reggie Ball would be thought of very differently if he would have had a coaching staff that prepared him better and that held him accountable for his actions both on and off the field.

+1

Well said.

 

[H-town]

I think the last few games have proven your statement to be unequivocally false.

How's that? The decision maker in this offense is the QB. He goes to the line and makes the call based on how the D lines up. Pitch, keep, pass...whatever. The QB was also responsible for the fumble on the 5, 3 sacks that were outside of the tackles, etc. What isn't important about those things?

 

[floridajacket]

I think the last few games have proven your statement to be unequivocally false.

Well, I can't think of better support for his argument than the G-W game. Do you think that game is close with Nesbitt or Shaw in there?

 

[Allen Koholic]

All I know is this:

Reggie Ball had a coach who tried to hammer a 4'6" running square peg into a NFL-style dropback round hole. Josh Nesbitt has a coach that works with what he has and plays to his strengths. Josh Nesbitt also doesn't have an offense coordinator named Patrick Nix. There's your difference.

I liked Reggie. I'm man enough to admit that. He was my quarterback while I was in school. He played hard, if not always smart, and he was handicapped by a coach who thought he was fit for an NFL system and by an offense coordinator who is borderline retarded. He was cocky and made some bonehead mistakes. He also threw a punch at a UGA coach on the sideline and played balls out on every down. He did the best he could, and for it he is villified by grown men on the internet. I think there is a lot of parallels between Nesbitt and Ball, but the one difference that matters is that the guy calling the plays is an actual college foorball head coach, not an NFL coordinator.

 

[Ish]

How's that? The decision maker in this offense is the QB. He goes to the line and makes the call based on how the D lines up. Pitch, keep, pass...whatever. The QB was also responsible for the fumble on the 5, 3 sacks that were outside of the tackles, etc. What isn't important about those things?

It's tough to make decisions with 4 defensive linemen in your face.

 

[Ish]

Well, I can't think of better support for his argument than the G-W game. Do you think that game is close with Nesbitt or Shaw in there?

Behind our OL, yeah I think it's still a very ugly game.

 

[beej67]

It's tough to make decisions with 4 defensive linemen in your face.

The whole point of the offense is to make decisions with one, sometimes two defensive linemen in your face.


I'm curious whether our offensive line is worse than Navy's.

 

[H-town]

It's tough to make decisions with 4 defensive linemen in your face.

Sorry. He makes a lot of those decisions prior to the snap.

Go back and look at the game. He took a lot of those sacks outside of the tackles. All he had to do was throw the ball away.

And fumbles are not caused by having 4 lineman in your face. It's caused by not holding onto the football.

Don't get me wrong. I think Nesbitt is a great athlete. He probably makes the NFL as a safety. But is he a great decision maker at QB? That's another question that could be debated a long time.