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Some people have been using his NFL head coaching record against him, but I think that is the wrong reason to choose not to think he would be good.

He wasn't a bad coach when he had a decent QB. That is the name of the game in the NFL. Hell, even Belicheck failed in the NFL without a QB. Same with Pete Carrol. I'm not saying Whisenhunt is either of those guys, but the point is valid.

Starting QBs for his NFL head coaching years:

Arizona:
2007 - 8-8 - Leinart / Warner - 7th ranked scoring offense
2008 - 9-7 - Warner - 3rd ranked scoring offense - SB Appearance
2009 - 10-6 - Warner - 11th ranked scoring offense
2010 - 5-11 - D Anderson / Skelton / Hall - 30th ranked scoring offense
2011 - 8-8 - Skelton / Kolb - 23rd ranked scoring offense
2012 - 5-11 - Skelton / Kolb / Lindley - 30th ranked scoring offense

Tennessee
2014 - 2-14 - Whitehurst / Mettenberger / Locker - 30th ranked scoring offense
2015 - 1-6 - Mettenberger / Mariota (rookie) - 28th scoring offense

Not many NFL coaches are going to win when given Skelton / Kolb for 3 seasons and Whitehurst / Mettenberger.

As an OC:

Pittsburgh
2004 - Big Ben - 11th ranked scoring offense
2005 - Big Ben - 9th ranked scoring offense
2006 - Big Ben - 11th ranked scoring offense

San Diego
2016 - Rivers - 9th ranked scoring offense
2017 - RIvers - 13th ranked scoring offense
2018 - Rivers - 4th ranked scoring offense

Again, I'm not saying this is "the guy" for GT, but I don't think using his NFL head coaching record against him is the reason to doubt him.

I'm more concerned about what sort of offense he would run at GT. I think he is smart enough and knows enough about GT that he would have to run something innovative. He isn't my first or second choice, but I think we could end up doing worse. I think those immediately assuming that he is Gailey 2.0 is unfair.

But... who knows.
 
Whisenhunt would be a collosal flop here. He has no current relevance to teenagers. Jon Gruden would be a better hire. He has never been a head coach in college, and not even involved in the college game for years.

I don't need any other disqualifiers than that.
 
This is what Stansbury meant when he said "fit". Trying to decide whether we love or hate him is going to give us fits. He's perfect.
 
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05GTCorndog said:
Again, I'm not saying this is "the guy" for GT, but I don't think using his NFL head coaching record against him is the reason to doubt him.
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So you're saying he sucks if he doesn't have a good QB?

I would think, given the data available for GT over the last couple of decades, that that would indeed be a strike against him.
 
I don't think the track record of career NFL guys coming back to the college game is very good. I'm struggling to think of one who really succeeded. It's hard for me to see him being much of a recruiter or injecting much excitement. Basically, it's hard to imagine he would be a name that would come up for any other college head coaching job and I don't see how playing here over 30 years ago would give him any special insight as to how to win here in 2018. I'm dead set against Whisenhunt, myself.

But as you say, who knows.
 
05GTCorndog said:
CPJ kinda sucked without a good QB. IIWII

(Waiting for EffinDane's CPJ > Saban post)
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CPJ was above average with noodle-arm RBs playing QB. Whisenhunt was awful and got fired (twice). That's not the same thing.

But yeah, having a good QB is generally a pretty solid predictor for success.
 
It's an argument with useless data. NFL coaching data is rarely relevant to collegiate success. Collegiate coaching data is, of which he has none.

Thanks for working hard for your best bud, but the fact is we would be hiring someone with no experience.
 
johncu said:
CPJ was above average with noodle-arm RBs playing QB. Whisenhunt was awful and got fired (twice). That's not the same thing.

But yeah, having a good QB is generally a pretty solid predictor for success.
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You can win with mediocre QB in college much easier than you can in the NFL.
 
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