With all the HC transition in SEC: Why no Richt wanted?

I think UGA is a top tier program; but why does the consensus here think it is top 10? I would think a top 10 program would be in the running for a NC much more often than UGA is. For example, my top 10 in no particular order would be something like:

ND
Mich
Ohio St
USC
Oklahoma
Nebraska
Alabama
Florida
Texas
Penn State

I just don't think UGA is in the same class as those. UGA may have similar $$$ right now; but not the fan base, recruiting potential, or history of these programs.
 
"Also believe it or not, he could get players in at both schools that he can't get at UGA."

I believe that is a joke. UGA can get just about any single player they want that meets the NCAA requirement. They can take a Prop48 kid, they can send kids to Prep School.

That may still be true at FSU but it certainly isn't any easier than UGA. Miami I thought had made efforts to toughen up a bit, but I may wrong, but UGA can take any good player that somehow meets any of the NCAA minimum standards.
 
yeah UGA has got to be one of the top feeder schools for GMC & that other prep school in athens...I bet Richt gets one heck of a fruit basket from both of these places.....the card would read "Keep'em coming...and I can't wait to see who you sign this/next year.." Love ________ (school representative)
 
Be careful with the GMC comments. You might step on some stingers around here. Also you may want to go and check and see where the next Ray Guy Award recipient came from. He is one of the GT heros for the last two years. :grin:
 
Richt is more likely to walk away from football and walk into the jungle and minister natives than he is to jump ship to another program.
 
I think UGA is a top tier program; but why does the consensus here think it is top 10? I would think a top 10 program would be in the running for a NC much more often than UGA is. For example, my top 10 in no particular order would be something like:

ND
Mich
Ohio St
USC
Oklahoma
Nebraska
Alabama
Florida
Texas
Penn State

I just don't think UGA is in the same class as those. UGA may have similar $$$ right now; but not the fan base, recruiting potential, or history of these programs.

As a UGA fan, I agree. From a long-term historical standpoint we are probably somewhere between 10 - 15.

Now, since the new millenium we are definitely top 10.

And yes, we have the $$ now. But we also have the fanbase. Hell, that creates the $. Recruiting potential we are definitely top 10; maybe closing in on top 5. Look at the number of NFL players from the state of GA compared to other states; then look at how well Richt has broadened the recruiting scope to a more national level.

Stafford - Texas
Moreno - New Jersey
We have a TE from California who was 4* and will compete to start next season.

We are definitely a top 10 program NOW.
 
sfalco said:
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You lost to the team that is going to lose the SECCG tomorrow and a .500 USC team. A decent coach here sends you back to being a regional question mark.
 
"You lost to the team that is going to lose the SECCG tomorrow and a .500 USC team. A decent coach here sends you back to being a regional question mark."

LOL!

Southern Cal lost to Stanford
Michigan lost to App. St.
Texas lost to 5-7 Kansas St. and 7-5 Texas A&M
Notre Dame lost to almost EVERYBODY
Nebraska? They just FIRED their coach.

These are all teams on the original list of top tier programs in this thread.

All I have argued is that UGA is top 11 - 15 historically and top 10 since the beginning of this decade.

In all time winning % we are #13
In all time # of wins we are #11

If you look at those same stats since 2000 we are at least top 10; maybe top 5.

The stats back up my statement.

If you can't accept that then well, you'll just have to keep lying to yourself.
 
Richt is an oddity. Not that great of a coach--seriously--but he does win. He makes enough money to keep all but the very serious suitors away. I think the conventional wisdom is that if he is lured away, the lovefest that is Muttdom would pony up whatever they needed to keep him in Athens. And I suspect that many feel as I do.....Richt is in one of the few spots where he can be successful. Richt at Auburn, or Richt at Texas A&M or Richt at Colorado would be an unmitigated disaster.
 
Georgie can probably be considered a top 10 program over the last 5 or so years. they have played in a bowl (like us) every year (better bowls though) and finished ranked in the top 10 much more than not.

all rankings final AP Rankings (unless noted otherwise)
07: currently 4th
06: 23rd
05: 10th
04: 7th
03: 7th
02: 3rd
average = 10 (not including current 07 rank)
average = 9 (including current 07 rank)

while people perhaps dont want to admit it, Georgie is on a tear with Richt right now and i fully expect them to challenge for the Championship next year with Moreno and Stafford. Moreno might be gone after next year... perhaps i am hoping
 
Not to be a downer but I think most folks on here way underestimate how good a job UGA is.

Forbes magazine just did a top-15 programs by monetary value list. UGA was #3, behind only ND and Texas. And ND isn't a better coaching job, it's just worth more.

UGA is something like #4 in CLC merchandise sales now, despite being the same color as a bunch of other major programs and a completely unoriginal mascot and logo.

They are in the fourth best state for football talent with only one other D1A program which is only half their size and has higher football admissions standards and lacks a really favorable football culture. There are very few if any states outside the Northeast with fewer D1A schools per capita. We definitely have the fewest of the ACC and SEC south of the Mid-Atlantic and I think fewer than any Big XII or PAC 10 state.

Georgia is historically roughly the #10-12 program but right now they are EASILY in the top five and I'd argue that only Florida and Texas are ahead of them.
 
aeromech said:
ND
Mich
Ohio St
USC
Oklahoma
Nebraska
Alabama
Florida
Texas
Penn State
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Not here to build up UGA --obviously-- but just to call it like I see it.

Of the ten teams listed UGA has surpassed Alabama in recent history. Sure Bama has all those NC's, but they're 73-61 (3 10-win seasons) over the past 11 years to UGA's 106-31 (6 10-win seasons) --so that's really not even close. Nebraska is slipping but their dominance from '97-'01 (56-9) was pretty recent. Penn State isn't what they used to be either. UGA sits at 63-15 since the '02 season (oddly enough when CG came aboard --now that he's gone maybe some other team's luck will change).

Not sure if the teams listed would be my top 10 and I'm not going to do the research tonight either.

I'm busy reloading all of my CD's back into iTunes (all 700+ of them :eek5:) --if you ever have the battery replaced in your iPod just know that eveything loaded disappears. When I first got my iPod I only had a 40G computer so I didn't keep the music loaded. I'm smarter this time around with a 300G + 100G external to boot!
 
BuzzCzar said:
Georgie can probably be considered a top 10 program over the last 5 or so years. they have played in a bowl (like us) every year (better bowls though) and finished ranked in the top 10 much more than not.

all rankings final AP Rankings (unless noted otherwise)
07: currently 4th
06: 23rd
05: 10th
04: 7th
03: 7th
02: 3rd
average = 10 (not including current 07 rank)
average = 9 (including current 07 rank)
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To measure this way you have to add up what all the other programs have done in the same period and compare. If you average #9, you are certainly much better than #9 as very few programs will have averaged that high.

I haven't added it up but outside of extra credit for winning a BCS title, probably only USC, Texas and Ohio State are superior over the same period and LSU is comparable. So I'd rank UGA tied for fourth in the last six seasons.

But they're not getting worse. LSU is about to "loose" their coach, Texas has slipped, and if UGA wins their bowl they'll go into 2008 with some #1 votes if not ranked #1.

They are about the #10-12 overall program and they're having their overall best decade ever. Not to be all gloom and doom but this is something to think about when considering a coaching hire.
 
GT65_UGA89 said:
UGA sits at 63-15 since the '02 season (oddly enough when CG came aboard --now that he's gone maybe some other team's luck will change).
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I know you're not necessarily saying it does, but UGA's success has little to do with Gailey. It just ratcheted up in Richt's second year and hasn't gone down much since.

Gailey's predecessor would have had a very bad record against these UGA teams. We did very poorly against FSU in the 90's and early 2000's, and only the 2006 team, which was very hot and played us at home, was not pretty comparable to those FSU teams.

And oh yeah, Mark Richt was the OC at FSU then and their demise began the year after he left, which isn't coincidence.
 
But they're not getting worse. LSU is about to "loose" their coach, Texas has slipped, and if UGA wins their bowl they'll go into 2008 with some #1 votes if not ranked #1.

I would like to go on record as NOT predicting UGA to be ranked #1 or compete for a NC next year. I still think we will need to gain some experience in a few positions.

If Stafford stays in 09......maybe. But some VERY talented teams have never played for a NC.
 
agree... 09 Ugag should be very strong and that could be their year. 08, too, they will be just as strong but their schedule in 08 looks brutal. at LSU, at Jville, at AU, and at some other SEC school all back to back wkds... plus they open at Arizona State... no way they come out of that string unscathed. if they do, they deserve a national championship for that alone.
 
GoldenTornado said:
Not to be a downer but I think most folks on here way underestimate how good a job UGA is.

Forbes magazine just did a top-15 programs by monetary value list. UGA was #3, behind only ND and Texas. And ND isn't a better coaching job, it's just worth more.

UGA is something like #4 in CLC merchandise sales now, despite being the same color as a bunch of other major programs and a completely unoriginal mascot and logo.

They are in the fourth best state for football talent with only one other D1A program which is only half their size and has higher football admissions standards and lacks a really favorable football culture. There are very few if any states outside the Northeast with fewer D1A schools per capita. We definitely have the fewest of the ACC and SEC south of the Mid-Atlantic and I think fewer than any Big XII or PAC 10 state.

Georgia is historically roughly the #10-12 program but right now they are EASILY in the top five and I'd argue that only Florida and Texas are ahead of them.
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Tell it like it is, GT. These young kids need to learn a thing or two whether we all like it or not.
 
LongforDodd said:
Tell it like it is, GT. These young kids need to learn a thing or two whether we all like it or not.
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:laugher::laugher: I'm not really that young of a kid LongforDodd; but I concede the point...to you youngsters. I laugh because I was thinking of overall programs for the last 20-25 years and beyond, not just the Richt years at UGA. If you look at what UGA was prior to Richt, and what it might be if Richt left, I don't think you point to it as a top 5 or 10 overall program. If you only look at the recent Richt years, you guys win this debate hands down.
 
He'll be at UGAg thrust the end of time. Or until a better offer comes along.

Don't be fooled, this guy's hanging on every dollar bill.

And doing a pretty good job of it.
 
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