Worst coach in the Coastal

we've never lost to Wake Forest under CPJ.

We have lost to Duke 2 times in the past 3 seasons. During which Duke has amassed an average of 9 wins a year.
 
RamblinWreck92 said:
Please. To even begin to argue that Navy talent was inferior to such football powerhouses as

Duke
NorthEastern
Tulsa
Vandy
Rice
Air Force
Delaware
Army
Tulane
Rutgers
&
New Mexico

is absolutely ludicrous. Delaware? NorthEastern? Rice? These teams sucked then and now. And yes, Johnson whipped them, as he should have.

There's an inherent bias against service academy talent. For more info, check out this year's Heisman voting. That doesn't mean they stink - just means they're perennially underrated.

On no football field does Northeastern and Delaware have more talent than Navy. Only in the best years of Rice and Tulane (who sux, btw) do they out-talent Navy.



Johnson's a pretty mediocre recruiter, that much has been established. I know it's tough to hang with FSU and Clemson when trying to get a kid to come to Atlanta but losing to Wake and Duke is pathetic. We really felt his recruiting effects this year.




2-6 vs Richt is the only stat that matters there though. Neither are terribly good gameday coaches. Both are terrible clock managers. Richt's a better recruiter, though had an easier time doing so at Athens than in ATL. It won't get tougher for him in Miami.

What would Johnson's "Top 10 Teams" record be if he was playing UF, Alabama, Auburn, and LSU as often as that idiot Richt was?
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I bolded the only part that makes sense.

Navy had objectively worse talent than any of their FBS competitors, and some FCS. Yes, that includes Rice and Tulane. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. Keenan Reynolds, their Heisman candidate that you referenced, was an unrated player that was not recruited by any other school. Middle Tennessee pursued him but did not feel that he was worth an offer. Navy, running PJ's offense under his disciple, set multiple school and NCAA records with him.

And I don't care that you think it's pathetic to lose to Duke. Since 2002 when recruiting rankings started, they've recruited roughly the same talent that we have. Why should we expect to dominate them? That's not logical. We need to recruit better, but until then it's really stupid to expect us to win 75+% of our games when we only outrecruit 25-30% of our competition most years. O'Leary, who you love to compare CPJ to, lamented this same thing many times when people expected us to beat FSU.

I don't think I can continue this, because I presented a bunch of facts and your response was the equivalent of "nuh uh".
 
GTCrew4b said:
This statement makes you look moronic.

Navy does not out-talent these teams. What Navy does do is out-discipline, out-effort, and out-team these teams.
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THAT statement makes you look moronic.

Navy absolutely out-talents freaking Northeastern, Rice, Delaware and Tulane and probably Vandy.

I know it'd be nice to inflate Tulane a bit to make our blowouts against them seem better but they suck öööö now and yesterday. Rice is garbage. Delaware is FCS material and NorthEastern is a direction on a compass fercrissakes.
 
johncu said:
I bolded the only part that makes sense.

Navy had objectively worse talent than any of their FBS competitors, and some FCS. Yes, that includes Rice and Tulane. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. Keenan Reynolds, their Heisman candidate that you referenced, was an unrated player that was not recruited by any other school. Middle Tennessee pursued him but did not feel that he was worth an offer. Navy, running PJ's offense under his disciple, set multiple school and NCAA records with him.
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So perhaps the Recruiting rankings aren't all that, since they completely missed a Heisman candidate?

And I don't care that you think it's pathetic to lose to Duke. Since 2002 when recruiting rankings started, they've recruited roughly the same talent that we have. Why should we expect to dominate them? That's not logical. We need to recruit better, but until then it's really stupid to expect us to win 75+% of our games when we only outrecruit 25-30% of our competition most years. O'Leary, who you love to compare CPJ to, lamented this same thing many times when people expected us to beat FSU.
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It's absolutely pathetic to lose to Puke. Not sure when I've compared GOL to CPJ though.

I don't think I can continue this, because I presented a bunch of facts and your response was the equivalent of "nuh uh".
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No need to. You have much lower standards for 'good football' than I do and have made that abundantly clear in most of your posts. We're in agreement that there's no need to continue. Good day, sir.
 
RamblinWreck92 said:
THAT statement makes you look moronic.

Navy absolutely out-talents freaking Northeastern, Rice, Delaware and Tulane and probably Vandy.

I know it'd be nice to inflate Tulane a bit to make our blowouts against them seem better but they suck öööö now and yesterday. Rice is garbage. Delaware is FCS material and NorthEastern is a direction on a compass fercrissakes.
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Jesus Christ, dude, I'm trying really hard to get through here. Last attempt.

# of 3 star players recruited from 2002-2006
Navy - 0
Rice - 5
Tulane - 11
Vandy - 17

Just for öööös and giggles, I looked up Delaware and Northeastern as well:

Delaware - 3
Northeastern - 1

There's a reason Navy was 1-20 in the two seasons preceding Johnson's arrival, and it ain't because they had high schoolers with NFL aspirations lining up to join the Navy.
 
johncu said:
Jesus Christ, dude, I'm trying really hard to get through here.

# of 3 star players recruited from 2002-2006
Navy - 0
Rice - 5
Tulane - 11
Vandy - 17

Just for shits and giggles, I looked up Delaware and Northeastern as well:

Delaware - 3
Northeastern - 1

There's a reason Navy was 1-20 in the two seasons preceding Johnson's arrival, and it ain't because they had high schoolers with NFL aspirations lining up to join the Navy.
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I've yet to argue that Johnson didn't do well at Navy. That tree you keep barking up is the wrong one.

and again, you reference the same ranking services that let a Heisman candidate go unranked.

We're in agreement that there's no need to continue. Good day, sir.

PS: Losing to Puke sux!!
 
GTCrew4b said:
so you use recruiting rankings to determine "losing talent wise" but don't use the same rankings to determine who "out-talents" Navy?

You a South Florida alum or something?
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If Johncu insists on using the rankings, then it's only fair to point out that Johnson's recruiting lost to Weak Forest, per those rankings.
 
RamblinWreck92 said:
If Johncu insists on using the rankings, then it's only fair to point out that Johnson's recruiting lost to Weak Forest, per those rankings.
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In 2013, for whatever reason, we only had 14 recruits. That will happen with walk-ons like Godhigh getting scholarships. Even if walk-ons don't get scholarships, 85 scholarships is less than 100-125 if no players left early (4*25 to 5*25).

Recruiting rankings are cumulative, which makes sense because depth matters. But it also makes rankings go in cycles, depending on open spots.

Hell, look a bit up the rankings and WF also "out-recruited" Stanford, because Stanford only had 12 recruits. WF had 23 recruits.

johncu gave several years where Navy was in the bottom 5 in recruiting rankings.
 
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