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well until they can become champions that won't happen.
Confirmed: ND to make a deal with ACC. 5 FB games/year, full member in others
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well until they can become champions that won't happen.
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This is a nice short term deal, And probably earns GT a couple more mil per year. Add in the upped buyout to keep FSU and Clemson, and there is reason to be happy.
But, let's not go overboard yet. ND will give the ACC the same consideration it would have without this deal.
We still have to compete with the B1G and maybe the Big Texas. We still have to see if NBC wants to re-up after the current contract ends.
We now have a timetable to court Penn State, and have Rutgers and Uconn in the wings if they don't want to come. But sew up Penn St, and I think it's a no brainer for ND to join if the NBC money dries up. If NBC offers them another giant contract, they will want to stay independent.
At the very least, we get more money per year before ND uses and loses the ACC like the big least.At the most, we get Penn State and ND to add two of the more storied programs in CFB.
The latter is still a long shot, but it is much more likely than it was yesterday.
Tl;dr- Good deal with potential to be great.
But, let's not go overboard yet. ND will give the ACC the same consideration it would have without this deal.
We still have to compete with the B1G and maybe the Big Texas. We still have to see if NBC wants to re-up after the current contract ends.
We now have a timetable to court Penn State, and have Rutgers and Uconn in the wings if they don't want to come. But sew up Penn St, and I think it's a no brainer for ND to join if the NBC money dries up. If NBC offers them another giant contract, they will want to stay independent.
At the very least, we get more money per year before ND uses and loses the ACC like the big least.At the most, we get Penn State and ND to add two of the more storied programs in CFB.
The latter is still a long shot, but it is much more likely than it was yesterday.
Tl;dr- Good deal with potential to be great.
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http://blogs.ajc.com/georgia-tech-sports/2012/09/12/huge-day-for-acc-as-notre-dame-joins/?cxntfid=blogs_georgia_tech_sports
According to this article, none of what you proposed above is going to happen. From Swofford's own mouth, we are no longer pursuing another school for the ACC AND he knows that Notre Dame will not be joining in football at any point.
A year after expanding to 14 with Pittsburgh and Syracuse, the league may have completed its realignment maneuvers by adding Notre Dame as its 15th member. At a news conference in Chapel Hill, N.C., commissioner John Swofford called the addition of a 16th school “illogical,” as it would unbalance the league’s two football divisions with 15 teams.
As far as TV contracts go, Notre Dame's NBC contract gets to broadcast the home games vs the ACC and ESPN gets the other games. One year, ND gets 3 home and 2 roads and then it flips the next. The ACC is already going back to ESPN to up the TV contract money because of the additional 2 or 3 games, depending on the year, with Notre Dame.
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Sure he did. He said we wouldn't add another school because then we would have 15 football playing schools. Notre Dame is not going to be an ACC football playing school.
Essentially, the deal boils down like this:
What Notre Dame gets:
- Play in ACC for all non-football sports...full revenue share there
- Play 5 ACC games per year. When they play at ND, NBC gets to show the game (3 one year, 2 the next, etc) and thus, they negotiate their TV contract accordingly
- ND gets full revenue share of all non-BCS bowls that other ACC teams play in
- ND does not get BCS revenue from any ACC team playing in the BCS BUT (and this is important), the ACC doesn't get revenue when ND plays in a BCS game either
(Remember this begins in 2014, when the new 4-team playoff kicks in...if Notre Dame were to make it into that playoff and go win the national championship, the ACC would get zilch from it)
What ACC gets:
- Gets to play Notre Dame 5 games per year
- Adds Notre Dame in all sports except football
- Gets to re-up TV contract with ESPN to account for the 2 or 3 games per year being broadcasted at ACC home venue
- Gets to think they're relevant in football now
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You missed probably the most important "pro" for the ACC: security against conference implosion. Notre Dame was the ultimate defensive move. The ACC is here to stay now.
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You're 100% right. And that's why Swofford and the other university presidents decided to accept such a one-sided agreement.
By the way, you should hear what Coach Al Groh had to say about it. LOL, he makes me sound like a cheery person about it. He minced no words and said it was a horrible deal for the ACC.
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Sometimes, a deal makes sense not for what it does for you at the time but for two other reasons: what it allows you to do in the future and for what it prevents your competitors from doing in the future.
If college football is a chess match, Swofford just made one of those Bobby Fischer moves that leaves you scratching your head until about five moves later when all your men are belong to him.
Sit back, enjoy the ride and let Swofford's master plan unfold. It will be a good thing. You'll see.
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Umm....ok. Sure thing. I'll put my blind faith in Swofford. Sorry for the alarm...my bad.:rolleyes:
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The ACC said they were done expanding after they added VPISU, BC, and Miami too. Oh and they said they were done after they added Pitt and Syracuse.
One day you'll learn they don't tell the media the truth.
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Actually, they did NOT say they were done after adding Pitt and Syracuse. Swofford said "we have no intentions of further additions AT THIS TIME". And, I'm pretty sure they didn't foresee the whole 16-team megaconferences coming up at the time we added VT, BC, and Miami....that was kind of forced on the ACC by the moves of the other conferences.
I guess it sounds like I'm bitter about this, but I really am not. Honestly, I don't care much about it one way or the other. From my vantage point, I can't see where it really affects ACC football at all.
If Notre Dame wins a national championship in football, it will not show up as "the ACC has now won a NC in the BCS era".
POSSIBLY, if an ACC team were to win all of their regular season games and the ACC championship, the addition of Notre Dame MIGHT help them in strength of schedule. But only if that team played ND that year. Otherwise, it doesn't really change the landscape.
Yeah, it makes us more money in the TV contract. Yeah, we give part of our non-BCS bowl money to ND. I would venture to say that the TV revenue gained will be greater than the bowl revenue paid out so it's a gain from that perspective. As far as the perception (rightfully so, in my opinion) that the ACC bent over and took one from ND, it is what it is.
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This.
Swafford will continue doing what he believes is best for the conference. I'm sure he's talking behind the scenes to other schools. If not right now, then certainly down the road.
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you're just digging your heels in...how is this statement any different than the one he made yesterday?
not technically true since opponents' opponents is a factor in strength of schedule, by playing other ACC teams who have played Notre Dame instead of North Alabama State Tech, the Stength of Schedule will be better.
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I wouldn't say have blind faith, but Swofford has at least shown good initiative with these additions. I have to think that there will be a time in the future that ND does actually join as a full football member. When that happens, I believe Swofford will already have another school lined up to join.
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This entire thread has been retart so ---- it.
Glad you knew what page it was on. Cause that's important.
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The ACC has a leg up in getting ND to join in football full time. Here's why:
a) They're locked into playing 5 ACC football teams a year.
b) There's a 50 million dollar penalty to break the deal.
c) No other conference is gonna give them 5 open dates.
Now if ND wants to pony up 50 big ones, so be it.
a) They're locked into playing 5 ACC football teams a year.
b) There's a 50 million dollar penalty to break the deal.
c) No other conference is gonna give them 5 open dates.
Now if ND wants to pony up 50 big ones, so be it.
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Yes the ACC does....but I don't think that really means much...and $50MM I am guessing is chump change to the Vatican....
Bottom line is ND got what it wanted from the Big East....time to move on to the next....football excluded