Time for change

Nashville Jacket said:
I can't believe there are people defending CPJ after the huge egg he laid last night. He crapped his pants nearly every time they played a significant game the last few years. Disturbing trends mean something you know.
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This has to be sarcasm.
 
Just to be clear, we are crying about a team that went 5-3 in conference after posting a 5-3 conference record last year. We'll add in the 4-4 in 2011 and say that Paul's recruits have gone 14-10 in conference. That put's us behind VT in the Coastal and probably even with Miami.

We aren't that bad and we aren't exactly fading. We've improved ST. We've improved the D. Now it's time to improve the OL.
 
WracerX said:
We aren't that bad and we aren't exactly fading. We've improved ST. We've improved the D. Now it's time to improve the OL.
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You do realize we get beat by every legit team in the league. Yes we are not that bad but we will never be that good.
 
TechRush said:
You do realize we get beat by every legit team in the league. Yes we are not that bad but we will never be that good.
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If you exclude UNC last year and Duke this year.

What I am saying is that if we want to replace CPJ, we need someone who will perform better than ever coach in the Coastal except Beamer. I would give Cutcliff some credit but his performance at Ole Miss says he is no better, and probably worse, than Johnson.

Hopefully, the expanded recruiting budget will improve our talent level.
 
People do get overwrought sometimes about something they have no control over but last night was like rooting for obamacare to be successful, not going to happen and it was obvious from the start.
 
gthog61 said:
People do get overwrought sometimes about something they have no control over but last night was like rooting for obamacare to be successful, not going to happen and it was obvious from the start.
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So what's the point of even being a fan if there's no hope?
 
staggerwing said:
Two is not as much of a factor as people think it is. A bigger factor is the perception -- from a recruit's POV -- of NFL caliber training and opportunity.

One is something GT should do if it's not willing to a) drop football or b) drop to a lower division.

The UGA board of regents thing is pure bullshit. If GT wanted to field a competitive football team, it could. So, no, I will not get used to it nor will I find another alma mater to watch. I'll simply do something more productive in my hobby time and the AT fund will get a bit less per year. Which I'm sure they don't care about anyway, lol.
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Exactly what I have done. Bought a boat and took up fishing. It makes me sick to watch the Hill and CPJ flush our FB program down the drain.
 
Beej may be the most butt hurt GT fan on the planet. My issue is our recruiting under PJ has been mediocre at best. You cannot spin that away. It has to improve and based on the results on the field, it hasn't.

I don't think changing coaches is going to fix that. I think it will be a net zero for the program given the APR requirements and our limited curriculum. We need a school that supports its athletic programs. We need to fight for an expanded curriculum and we need to loosen our academic standards that go beyond the NCAA requirements. We also need a coach who can maximize those efforts and based on this offense, I'm not so sure PJ can do that. Vad playing last night only proved to me that PJ has a QB that doesn't fit the system he runs and he won't make enough exceptions to change his offensive strategy to suit him.
 
MTrain said:
beej why are you such a homer for the high school offense?
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Because every time we've beaten Georgia since at least 1986 has been with some form of option football. Look it up. Could be a lot further back - I don't know what offense Bill Curry was running in 84 and 85, but I know our win in 1977 was option.
 
BarrelORum said:
Beej may be the most butt hurt GT fan on the planet. My issue is our recruiting under PJ has been mediocre at best. You cannot spin that away. It has to improve and based on the results on the field, it hasn't.

I don't think changing coaches is going to fix that. I think it will be a net zero for the program given the APR requirements and our limited curriculum. We need a school that supports its athletic programs. We need to fight for an expanded curriculum and we need to loosen our academic standards that go beyond the NCAA requirements.
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I agree with all this. All of it. Changing coaches will not suddenly make Georgia Tech a school that elite football players want to go to. They don't want to be engineers, they don't want to go to school, and they don't want to not be paid. If we're going to win recruiting battles against Clemson and UGA, we have to have some place to hide players, and we need rich boosters who will buy their mommy a new house.

Where you go off the rails is this:

We also need a coach who can maximize those efforts and based on this offense, I'm not so sure PJ can do that. Vad playing last night only proved to me that PJ has a QB that doesn't fit the system he runs and he won't make enough exceptions to change his offensive strategy to suit him.
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I think CPJ would do better with better players, and I don't see how you could think otherwise. And I further think that if we continue to tie one hand behind our backs in recruiting, there's no coach who can make us semi-relevant better than CPJ.

But what's going to happen is this. We are going to continue to only do good but not great at One Handed Boxing, and then we'll fire our current coach and find a new one on the order of Rick Neuheisel, and suddenly everyone around here will discover just how hamstrung we actually are.
 
beej67 said:
Because every time we've beaten Georgia since at least 1986 has been with some form of option football. Look it up. Could be a lot further back - I don't know what offense Bill Curry was running in 84 and 85, but I know our win in 1977 was option.
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There's a huge difference between running an option play here or there and what we do now.
 
MTrain said:
There's a huge difference between running an option play here or there and what we do now.
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We didn't run much option last night. Maybe 8 plays? That's all Fridge used to run.

The option is the only way tactically to neutralize a wide talent gap with intelligence and discipline. And the talent gap will continue to grow now that the NCAA has laid out the Cam Newton Roadmap to paying player's parents, and GT refuses to participate in the emergent marketplace.
 
beej67 said:
We didn't run much option last night. Maybe 8 plays? That's all Fridge used to run.
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Maybe that's because we ran those option plays early and fell behind by 27 points, which made us start to try & throw the football more...something we aren't good at.

And for all the people who bash Pollock, I actually thought he made the most intelligent point of the evening in response to Jesse Palmer. Palmer said, "Vad Lee simply has to make that throw; he has to get better and make the play." To which Pollock responded, "But how you get better? With repetition, right? Well, if you're practicing that mesh and running the option most of the time, it doesn't leave as much time for you to practice throwing the ball."

Hate to admit it, but he's correct.
 
BarrelORum said:
I don't think changing coaches is going to fix that. I think it will be a net zero for the program given the APR requirements and our limited curriculum. We need a school that supports its athletic programs. We need to fight for an expanded curriculum and we need to loosen our academic standards that go beyond the NCAA requirements. .
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Weren't the same academic restrictions in place when we had that elite 2007 class?
 
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