I dont know if it is fair to gripe about the talent disparity w/UGA

vapspwi said:
Interesting article along these same lines over on From the Rumble Seat:

https://www.fromtherumbleseat.com/2018/11/26/18111592/monday-musings-forging-a-path-forward

I don't necessarily agree with some of the points (not necessarily on the "replace CPJ with a more modern oddball offense," think he's a little too strong in the "we'll never beat U[sic]GA so let's focus on Duke" stuff), but the idea of recontextualizing and adjusting how we measure success (to focus on the teams where the playing field is more level) makes a lot of sense. It's what I was saying earlier in this thread, and I think it's what CPJ was saying a few years ago about "bigger fish to fry" (winning the ACC versus beating U[sic]GA).

It's hard to say all this in a way that doesn't seem defeatist, but one path ends in misery more often than not and the other at least lets you wring some enjoyment out of most seasons.

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Wow, we pretty much have the same feelings about the state of GT and CFB in general.
 
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TampaBayJacket said:
Wow, we pretty much have the same feelings about the state of GT and CFB in general.
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I think I have been here for a while. Although like you guys I'm not as down on CPJ and don't believe we never can't ever beat UGA. In fact, if you look at our record against UGA since CPJ has been here (11 years), our record against them is comparable to South Carolina, Tennessee and Auburn records against UGA in that period and better than Kentucky, Vanderbilt and Missouri records. We don't compare favorably with Alabama, Florida and LSU records against UGA- what a surprise (sarcasm intended). But we are not in UGA's league on a consistent basis and I accept that.

I've always believed UGA was a sleeping giant that should be dominating. It's somewhat an indictment of them that they haven't until now. State of Georgia is bigger than Alabama and most other states and has better players than most other states as well. The flagship university of the state of Georgia should have the money, power and players to be dominate just as Texas and Florida should dominate as well. I have been surprised by Clemson' meteoric rise. Truly great job by Rad and Dabo.

However things can change. Dabo might decide to stay at Clemson and Alabama make an offer to the UGA coach that he can't refuse. Or somebody gets sick - not wishing that on anybody but things change. Rules and attitudes/culture can change and I really really really think it should. There needs to be some parity. Limit scholarships, limit huge recruiting staffs, don't allow coaches to run-off players to create scholarship openings - would be a start. Maybe go as far as to limit money spent on athletics. At some point it may reach the point school presidents start to fight back. In some respects the money spent today is stupid. More money should be spent of academics and less on sports. It wouldn't hurt play, it would probably make it more interesting by creating more parity. Probably won't happen any time soon but things change and can change quickly.
 
Good post. But if Saban got run over by a bus, it would be hard for Clemson to hold onto Dabo if Bama wanted him.

The TV money is going to have to implode before the bubble bursts on spending.
 
79tech said:
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I think I have been here for a while. Although like you guys I'm not as down on CPJ and don't believe we never can't ever beat UGA. In fact, if you look at our record against UGA since CPJ has been here (11 years), our record against them is comparable to South Carolina, Tennessee and Auburn records against UGA in that period and better than Kentucky, Vanderbilt and Missouri records. We don't compare favorably with Alabama, Florida and LSU records against UGA- what a surprise (sarcasm intended). But we are not in UGA's league on a consistent basis and I accept that.

I've always believed UGA was a sleeping giant that should be dominating. It's somewhat an indictment of them that they haven't until now. State of Georgia is bigger than Alabama and most other states and has better players than most other states as well. The flagship university of the state of Georgia should have the money, power and players to be dominate just as Texas and Florida should dominate as well. I have been surprised by Clemson' meteoric rise. Truly great job by Rad and Dabo.

However things can change. Dabo might decide to stay at Clemson and Alabama make an offer to the UGA coach that he can't refuse. Or somebody gets sick - not wishing that on anybody but things change. Rules and attitudes/culture can change and I really really really think it should. There needs to be some parity. Limit scholarships, limit huge recruiting staffs, don't allow coaches to run-off players to create scholarship openings - would be a start. Maybe go as far as to limit money spent on athletics. At some point it may reach the point school presidents start to fight back. In some respects the money spent today is stupid. More money should be spent of academics and less on sports. It wouldn't hurt play, it would probably make it more interesting by creating more parity. Probably won't happen any time soon but things change and can change quickly.
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Ok but Dabo is still a clown.
 
Records against UGA since CPJ at GT

a h n overall %
1 ala 2 0 2 0 4 0 100%
2 lsu 2 1 1 1 3 2 60%
3 fla 0 0 0 0 6 5 6 5 55%
4 usce 1 4 3 3 4 7 36%
t5 tenn 1 5 2 3 3 8 27%
t5 gt 3 3 0 5 3 8 27%
t7 aub 0 5 3 3 0 1 3 9 25%
8 vandy 1 5 1 4 2 9 18%
9 kenty 1 4 0 6 1 10 9%
10 misso 0 3 0 3 0 6 0%
 
ramblinwise1 said:
Good post. But if Saban got run over by a bus, it would be hard for Clemson to hold onto Dabo if Bama wanted him.

The TV money is going to have to implode before the bubble bursts on spending.
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good point on tv money
 
I still don't see what UGA is "dominating". They went to two consecutive SECCG's when Richt was first hired. Another one in 2005. Two others in 2011 and 2012.

It does suck when our own alumni badmouth the program. That happened at Thanksgiving and I felt very close to making things unpleasant.
 
andrew said:
"I was thinking about Georgia Tech, but decided to go with MIT because they have so many more sports teams." -- a bunch of people, probably.
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Yeah let's just accept more nerds like we are now and not try to appeal to people (who are still smart) that want a broader college experience and football environment. Maybe those people would actually contribute to athletics as alumni unlike our current alumni base.
 
Ceiling Cat said:
Yeah let's just accept more nerds like we are now and not try to appeal to people (who are still smart) that want a broader college experience and football environment. Maybe those people would actually contribute to athletics as alumni unlike our current alumni base.
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Hey I love athletics, and I'm all for trying to do that. I'm just saying I don't think it's really hurting our academic prowess much, as has been postulated in this thread.
 
andrew said:
Hey I love athletics, and I'm all for trying to do that. I'm just saying I don't think it's really hurting our academic prowess much, as has been postulated in this thread.
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It doesn’t hurt at all. 85 scholarship athletes in a school of over 15k (or whatever it is now) is not going to do anything to academic reputation. Just keep them away from a microphone.
 
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savbandjacket said:
It doesn’t hurt at all. 85 scholarship athletes in a school of over 15k (or whatever it is now) is not going to do anything to academic reputation. Just keep them away from a microphone.
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savbandjacket said:
It doesn’t hurt at all. 85 scholarship athletes in a school of over 15k (or whatever it is now) is not going to do anything to academic reputation. Just keep them away from a microphone.
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It wasn't about academic reputation due to players themselves, they were talking about effects of the quality of the sports on who is applying to Tech. Andrew's point was that even if there are merits to diversifying the student culture with more interest in sports, doesn't think there would be much effect on the academic quality coming out of the school.

Edit: Another comment on GT students. If we want more interest from them while they are there and after they leave, we have to ease up a bit on how hard the Georgia rivalry is pushed the second students get on campus. I remember the week after the UVA game in 09, so 2nd week after we stormed the field against VT, some people were still only interested in if we would beat Georgia or not and didn't care how the team was currently doing.
 
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I am for loosening academic standards to bring football players in
 
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an issue not enough of you are addressing is that fact that smart is actually a competent coach unlike richt in regards to not squandering his massive talent pool. which in itself is even better under smart than it was with richt. can't do a whole lot with that.
 
79tech said:
I am for loosening academic standards to bring football players in
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The only way that makes sense is with new degree programs that are more appealing to people who are less academically gifted.
 
We have a handful of things going against us in recruiting. In no particular order, many top athletes:
a) don't want to take calculus
b) don't want to major in management
c) don't want to live in the middle of a large city like Atlanta
d) don't want to party with girls who made a 32+ on the ACT

Somewhere down the line is what offensive and defensive scheme we run. I never once heard a recruit at a hat ceremony 4 years ago say "I chose Bama because they run a plain jane offense with a drop back quarterback". Don't under estimate 'd', it speaks to the student life and culture of our school; which with a bunch of high caliber STEM students isn't going to complete well with even small universities.
 
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