#23 - Paula Vaipulu

God we need Paula. I’m in favor of benching the entire current o line in favor of new guys next year.
 
savbandjacket said:
God we need Paula. I’m in favor of benching the entire current o line in favor of new guys next year.
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Quinney can stay and likely will. Defoor is actually starting to play ok at G. The rest up for grabs for sure. If we trott out this same ol next year we win 2 games again.
 
33jacket said:
Quinney can stay and likely will. Defoor is actually starting to play ok at G. The rest up for grabs for sure. If we trott out this same ol next year we win 2 games again.
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I predict at least 3 freshmen starters on the OL. Hopefully, Cooper comes back strong, but hip surgery, or whatever it was he had, does not bode well for a comeback
 
GoGATech said:
2008-2019 Clem/UGAg/GT

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couldn't resist checking your math so I started with Clemson DL @3.7 and sure enough you're wrong - 49 DL over 12 years = 4.1
 
GT85inPA said:
couldn't resist checking your math so I started with Clemson DL @3.7 and sure enough you're wrong - 49 DL over 12 years = 4.1
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Just rechecked, apparently I made a typo in adding a couple. Clemson DL AVG should be 4.1 and UGAg OL AVG should be 4.0. Still doesn't come close to what was stated before. That gives Clemson an AVG 8 OL/DL per year, UGAg an AVG 9 OL/DL per year, and GT an AVG 7 OL/DL per year. The original argument was that Clemson was averaging 18 OL/DL per year in that span.
 
JJacket said:
I predict at least 3 freshmen starters on the OL. Hopefully, Cooper comes back strong, but hip surgery, or whatever it was he had, does not bode well for a comeback
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I think 2. Kenny Cooper can redshirt and has the Center job and Minihan will hold Guard - he's been our best OL after all the injuries. Between Quinney and DeFoor I bet another year gets one to hold a starting job at Tackle. Jahaziel will move to DT if he returns. Vaipulu and Williams would play right away.
 
Hansen has been steadily improving since he came back from injury. Had limited reps with the new offense, has been learning on the fly.
 
I think some of y’all are discounting how hard it is to contribute on the OL as a true frosh. Maybe the toughest position to learn/play along with QB. We’ll be forced to play a few out of shear lack of numbers, and 1/2 might have to start, but I wouldn’t expect us to be immediately better on the OL next year just because we’re bringing in 7 OL. This class will pay dividends 2/3 years down the road. Need a grad transfer or two for 2020.
 
gtrower said:
I think some of y’all are discounting how hard it is to contribute on the OL as a true frosh. Maybe the toughest position to learn/play along with QB. We’ll be forced to play a few out of shear lack of numbers, and 1/2 might have to start, but I wouldn’t expect us to be immediately better on the OL next year just because we’re bringing in 7 OL. This class will pay dividends 2/3 years down the road. Need a grad transfer or two for 2020.
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I agree but disagree. Sure, technique takes a while and is tough for freshmen. But, I think the biggest issue is we are getting physically shoved off the ball into the backfield. That isn’t coaching that is simply brute strength and size. If we get freshmen who can just hold the line then they’ll get playing time. I’m sure Mason would rather have a freshmen who gives him 1 more second of space over a senior who is great at technique but whose butt is interfering with the hand off.
 
OptionJacket said:
I agree but disagree. Sure, technique takes a while and is tough for freshmen. But, I think the biggest issue is we are getting physically shoved off the ball into the backfield. That isn’t coaching that is simply brute strength and size. If we get freshmen who can just hold the line then they’ll get playing time. I’m sure Mason would rather have a freshmen who gives him 1 more second of space over a senior who is great at technique but whose butt is interfering with the hand off.
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I'm not seeing that as much as I am seeing guys coming in virtually untouched. Too many bullfighter ole' techniques due to missed assignments or whatever.
 
gtrower said:
I think some of y’all are discounting how hard it is to contribute on the OL as a true frosh. Maybe the toughest position to learn/play along with QB. We’ll be forced to play a few out of shear lack of numbers, and 1/2 might have to start, but I wouldn’t expect us to be immediately better on the OL next year just because we’re bringing in 7 OL. This class will pay dividends 2/3 years down the road. Need a grad transfer or two for 2020.
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Actually, I doubt many of us are discounting how hard it is to play on the line as a true frosh. We are simply doing the "calculus" that CGC will be doing.

Forget 2020. Would you rather have these OL recruits in 2021 with a year of play under their belts or our current line with two years and the OL recruits with no experience?

How about 2022? The recruits with two years experience, the recruits with one year experience, or the current line with three years?

I want the recruits with two years, knowing full well we could win lose more closely more early season games in 2020 using the current line.

PS. Dont make a 5th year senior argument. I dont accept it. Thats a loser mentality that assumes next years class wont be even better and 2022 class wont be even better than that and so on. Also, it ignores that linemen routinely miss a year due to injury and with the new 4 game rule its makes sense to save the redshirt.
 
OptionJacket said:
I agree but disagree. Sure, technique takes a while and is tough for freshmen. But, I think the biggest issue is we are getting physically shoved off the ball into the backfield. That isn’t coaching that is simply brute strength and size. If we get freshmen who can just hold the line then they’ll get playing time. I’m sure Mason would rather have a freshmen who gives him 1 more second of space over a senior who is great at technique but whose butt is interfering with the hand off.
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His point still stands. By and large, an 18 year old will struggle holding his own physically against a 20 to 22 year old or someone simply with 12+ months of a college weight/conditioning program.
 
ElCidBUZZingFAN said:
His point still stands. By and large, an 18 year old will struggle holding his own physically against a 20 to 22 year old or someone simply with 12+ months of a college weight/conditioning program.
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If that were true, Freshmen would never start on the line. Some high schoolers are simply blessed with more physical gifts than others, to the point that they enter college ahead of the kids with 12 months of college weight/conditioning and even 20-22 y/os with many years of it.
 
GTCrew said:
If that were true, Freshmen would never start on the line. Some high schoolers are simply blessed with more physical gifts than others, to the point that they enter college ahead of the kids with 12 months of college weight/conditioning and even 20-22 y/os with many years of it.
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Sure. Sometimes you can find a kid (Nat Dorsey) that is serviceable - shut down even in Nat's case, right Julius Peppers!? - as a T-Fr from Day 1. I would never deny those cases or physical specimens exist. I'm only saying at such a physically demanding position it's an incredibly hard thing to do to the point that hanging your hat on such an expectation is risky.

As a relevant case in point, you can look to the struggles at OL for both Miami and FSU. They have high(er) rated kids out of high school starting as true freshman, who are struggling.
 
Techbert said:
And this is a Vaipulu thread, not a 2021 ol prediction thread.
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I think the conversation applies. People were talking about Vaipulu possibly starting immediately on the 2020 OL. If you keep clicking on the thread for updates on his recruitment then I’ll direct you to the first post where he committed.
 
Bottomline is that we will have more talent and bodies in the OL room next summer (hopefully in spring) than we did this year and honestly it will be the deepest talent since 2007 (?)

That competition will be great for their development and will likely pay off during the season next year but for sure will help 2021.

If we can stay relatively healthy, then we will only need 2 guys out of the Freshmen to step up to be "good" starters and a third guy can be a "good" backup; that would give us a workable group and IMO, the performance on the field will be night and day to this season. Might still not be good enough to win a lot but we should be a lot more competitive on offense.
 
ElCidBUZZingFAN said:
Sure. Sometimes you can find a kid (Nat Dorsey) that is serviceable - shut down even in Nat's case, right Julius Peppers!? - as a T-Fr from Day 1. I would never deny those cases or physical specimens exist. I'm only saying at such a physically demanding position it's an incredibly hard thing to do to the point that hanging your hat on such an expectation is risky.

As a relevant case in point, you can look to the struggles at OL for both Miami and FSU. They have high(er) rated kids out of high school starting as true freshman, who are struggling.
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Exactly, but you are supporting my point not yours. Miami and FSU chose to start those guys on the OL over prior year recruits who had at least 12 months of weightlifting. Some of whom are also 20-22.

Let me be clear. Playing freshmen on our o-line in 2020 will lead to struggles. Absolutely. But you know what else will lead to struggles in 2020? Playing walk-ons who simply will never have the physical gifts necessary to play winning power5 football.

What I am predicting is that CGC will have the same dilemna that Miami and FSU faced. Lose now with guys with lower ceilings or lose now with guys with high ceilings. And I am predicting he will chose the high ceiling because in addition to repeatedly insisting he has a long term not short term outlook, at every fork he has met so far he has favored a long term strategy over instant gratification.
 
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