Sad to say: Tech Football Is No Fun Anymore

1982Jacket said:
Two years after Osborne left (which equates to where we are now), Nebraska went 12-1, won the Fiesta Bowl, and finished second in the country. Next year they were 10-2 and ranked 6th. Next year they were 11-2 and finished 7th.

Took Nebraska a long time after Osborne left before they became crappy. It took them firing Frank Solich in a 10-3 season, since that was not good enough for their spoiled fans. So they brought in Bill Callahan, immediately went 5-6, and have been crappy ever since.
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You bring up a very good point. I should have said "when Nebraska left the Osbourne-Solich era both of whom ran the option..." Solich was Osbourne's OC and continued as such for many years. It's when Nebraska dumped the Option and went to a more conventional offense that they started to struggle. And they have struggled to be anything special for a very long time now. Again, it's not easy to make such a big change. And let me add that Nebraska has probably not hung with head coaches long enough through the change(s).
 
JJacket said:
Bullshit. You are likely one of those idiot GT fans who like to believe that GT is so academically rigorous that we could not possibly recruit top athletes. That is a lame excuse and is crap. GT has grown tremendously over the past decade. It is a world class school in one of the most vibrant cities in the United States. We don't necessarily have to put in a wiffle ball field for players not to use to try to draw players to GT. We are already in Atlanta.
If you want to continue with your "woe is us" 1970's and 1980's GT bullshit, fine. We are every bit as capable of recruiting against Clemson and UGAg.
Wouldn't mind weeding out a few of our lesser fans. Any way you can put yourself in the fan portal? Maybe Auburn or LSU will pick you up.
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The fact that The Hill hasn't figured out that football followed by basketball are the #1 marketing vectors for a school is absolutely bizarre. Makes me think they're not as smart as they think they are and/or don't really have GT in their best interests.
 
OptionJacket said:
Maybe I’m weird but I am enjoying this season and I enjoyed last season. Why? For the same reason I enjoyed the early Johnson years. Change is good. How many of us were ready to eat a gun after 9-6? Johnson brought some energy, a new scheme, and he had the pieces and the coaching acumen to make it work. It was fun. But then the imagination left the offense and the ACC got a whole lot stronger and he limped into retirement with converted position players playing QB.

Collins can recruit and has brought in players but he’s had 1 class. There is no quick fix. I am enjoying watching a program be built from the foundation to the shingles. Right now we are still working on the foundation so we are getting rained on and the yard is a muddy mess. I have full faith that Key will get the OLine up to par. It may be 2022 until we see it but time Is not an issue. You can look at the most important position in college football, the QB, and know we have a guy playing a free season without a full fall camp who has the ability. Sims is the real deal. Again, it may take till 2022 when the OLine is ready to show it but there are a lot of teams in the ACC right now who would trade their QB for Sims in a heartbeat. We were totally outmanned by ND across the board. I would say Gibbs is the only player who would crack the ND starting lineup. That is why Collins was hired. He deserves more than 1 recruiting cycle for GT fans to jump ship.
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I've bought in more this and last year than any of the 2016-18years.Watching the guys progress, and they are-albeit more slowly than anticipated (because I'm biased), has been a joy.

Am I happy? No.

Is it fun? Yes but not as much as it could be.

Did CAT call a good game? Way better than his other games.

Everyone wants to see the baby, nobody wants to hear about the baby pains.
 
18in32 said:
It happened because CPJ started losing too much.
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"Too much."

Now we get to find out exactly how many loses GT deserves given it's relative position as a football school to other football schools, and find out what "too much" actually means.

There is no objective reason why GT deserves to have a winning record in any given year ever. GT is a öööö school for football. Facilities are subpar, school is hard, fanbase is small, no journalism department, no crip majors, lackluster stadium, the girls aren't terribly cute, and the school itself is fundamentally unfun for everyone. There is zero reason why a future NFL player would come to play at GT over any other school in the ACC, much less the SEC or B1G or PAC. GT's problem with football is the school itself. The school itself, left to natural selection, is a 5 win maximum school. Any coach that exceeds 6 wins a year is overperforming. Even Chan Gailey overperformed, if only slightly. A coach who manages to land an ACC title game appearance at GT is so drastically overperforming that they should build a statue for him.

Everyone in the entire country realizes this. The only reason anyone wouldn't realize this is because of a tremendous fan bias. We had a guy who won a couple NASCAR races a year with a pickup truck, and ran him off because he didn't win enough races with the pickup truck. So now we all get to see exactly where the pickup truck deserves to place in the race.

Enjoy the ride.
 
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And if, by some wild circumstance, CGC does manage three seasons in a row with 9 wins, he's gone. He'll triple his salary going to coach at an actual football school.

The best possible coach for GT is some guy who can take non-NFL players and win games with them via a fantastically unconventional approach, a hard nosed attitude, AND ALSO wouldn't dick off for a football factory job once he became successful. And a whole bunch of GT fans ran that guy off because he lost "too much" without understanding what "too much" really meant, because they had too many conversations with factory fans around the water cooler and they let their heads get filled with too much crap from journalists who graduated from schools with a journalism degree, of which GT doesn't have. It was base, stupid, ugly, stupid, really stupid envy, and everyone who thought CPJ lost "too much" deserves to get hit in the head with a hammer.

Again,
Enjoy the ride.
 
beej67 said:
"Too much."

Now we get to find out exactly how many loses GT deserves given it's relative position as a football school to other football schools, and find out what "too much" actually means.

There is no objective reason why GT deserves to have a winning record in any given year ever. GT is a öööö school for football. Facilities are subpar, school is hard, fanbase is small, no journalism department, no crip majors, lackluster stadium, the girls aren't terribly cute, and the school itself is fundamentally unfun for everyone. There is zero reason why a future NFL player would come to play at GT over any other school in the ACC, much less the SEC or B1G or PAC. GT's problem with football is the school itself. The school itself, left to natural selection, is a 5 win maximum school. Any coach that exceeds 6 wins a year is overperforming. Even Chan Gailey overperformed, if only slightly. A coach who manages to land an ACC title game appearance at GT is so drastically overperforming that they should build a statue for him.

Everyone in the entire country realizes this. The only reason anyone wouldn't realize this is because of a tremendous fan bias. We had a guy who won a couple NASCAR races a year with a pickup truck, and ran him off because he didn't win enough races with the pickup truck. So now we all get to see exactly where the pickup truck deserves to place in the race.

Enjoy the ride.
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Yeah, 'too much.' What 'too much' actually means is 'relative to expectations.' My expectations are simple: if you're not one of the top programs in the country, you should be on a consistent upward trajectory to get there, even if gradually upward.

I was not pushing for CPJ to leave, because I think that 'upward trajectory' has a low signal/noise ratio, because he demonstrated he could win, because he was getting more resources, because I think we expect too much instant gratification these days, etc. But I understand why he did leave – losing stinks, and he was doing a lot of it. He's got plenty of money, he's getting older, he's tired of the rat race. He said it himself out loud many times: "I hate losing more than anyone else." And when he started losing 'too much' relative to his own expectations for himself, he wanted to quit.

The idea that GT has some unalterable place in the football firmament is ridiculous, and that we will always revert to that mean. CGC may or may not be the right answer, but he's already shown us that "technical school" and "academically challenging" and the like don't prevent us from seriously increasingly our talent level. Rather than traffic and crime being a recruiting disadvantage, CGC is using Atlanta's black culture bona fides as a recruiting advantage. It goes on and on. All it takes (hah!) is a great head coach to lead the organization, choose the right staff, etc.
 
beej67 said:
"Too much."

Now we get to find out exactly how many loses GT deserves given it's relative position as a football school to other football schools, and find out what "too much" actually means.

There is no objective reason why GT deserves to have a winning record in any given year ever. GT is a öööö school for football. Facilities are subpar, school is hard, fanbase is small, no journalism department, no crip majors, lackluster stadium, the girls aren't terribly cute, and the school itself is fundamentally unfun for everyone. There is zero reason why a future NFL player would come to play at GT over any other school in the ACC, much less the SEC or B1G or PAC. GT's problem with football is the school itself. The school itself, left to natural selection, is a 5 win maximum school. Any coach that exceeds 6 wins a year is overperforming. Even Chan Gailey overperformed, if only slightly. A coach who manages to land an ACC title game appearance at GT is so drastically overperforming that they should build a statue for him.

Everyone in the entire country realizes this. The only reason anyone wouldn't realize this is because of a tremendous fan bias. We had a guy who won a couple NASCAR races a year with a pickup truck, and ran him off because he didn't win enough races with the pickup truck. So now we all get to see exactly where the pickup truck deserves to place in the race.

Enjoy the ride.
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I mean: The ACC championship hasn't even been a thing that long and both Gailey and Johnson made it to one with totally different approaches. If there was such a thing, O'Leary would have, too.
 
Collins will learn. We have a lot of upside potential as well as he recruits. Good coaching is an exception, not the rule. Kirby Smart is a prime example of that. Good high school coaches could win a national championship with their talent. But he has squandered opportunities by poor in game management decisions as well as poor judgment of his quarterbacks. I’m confident they will never win a national championship with him as their HC.
 
Tampa Jacket said:
Collins will learn. We have a lot of upside potential as well as he recruits. Good coaching is an exception, not the rule. Kirby Smart is a prime example of that. Good high school coaches could win a national championship with their talent. But he has squandered opportunities by poor in game management decisions as well as poor judgment of his quarterbacks. I’m confident they will never win a national championship with him as their HC.
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We need to absolutely have a coach here who competes with UGAg for talent. I give Gailey credit that we got Calvin Johnson and prevented him from heading to UGAg. The mutts win a natty with Calvin.
 
JJacket said:
We need to absolutely have a coach here who competes with UGAg for talent. I give Gailey credit that we got Calvin Johnson and prevented him from heading to UGAg. The mutts win a natty with Calvin.
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If we can go head to head and get the bodies at OL/DL, which we certainly can, then we will be able to compete with them regularly.
 
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