Do you trust our AD

[clapper]

We finished 5th in the ACC in 2020 and 4th in 2021 followed by a god damn ACC Title. Don’t just make up öööö to fit your narrative.

While going through a probationary period that is still running and cost the AA Admin overseeing the program and the compliance officer their job.

Baseball is positioned to become a factory with the new facilities and two elite batting/pitching coaches.

Positioned? We've been positioned forever and CDH continues to fall short while getting contract extensions. Last season is not that long ago. 31-25, wasn't it? The program hasn't changed in ages.

Women’s BB is relevant for the first time in history.

2nd time, but you likely don't follow women's sports. He botched the firing of the last coach and he didn't hire the current one; Mark Rountree did.

Volleyball is relevant for the first time in history.

2nd time again, but I'll give him credit for making a solid hire here. Now, he needs to keep our fans from causing disturbances at the games. (I'll also give him credit for making a great softball hire. No credit for either tennis program; they were established and trending up before his hire.)

Golf is a perennial powerhouse.

Has everything to do with our head coach. No credit there. (Ditto for either swimming & diving program, which are trending high as well, and getting more funding than any sport not named golf.)

It’s actually fairly remarkable the shape of the AA outside of football. And I 100% understand that football dwarfs the rest in terms of importance. But I also don’t want to fire T-Stan just to bring in a new guy who is still gonna be hamstrung financially for football and might rock the boat with the success we’re having elsewhere.

I'm not an advocate for firing him either, no matter how next year plays out, and I was in favor of hiring him. This was also his first football HC hire ever and I still hope it succeeds - to the point that I'm willing to ride out the CGC experiment to the end of his (extensionless) seven year contract no matter how the future seasons unfold. But as a whole, Todd's tenure to date has been average at best.

 

[smokey_wasp]

I think Stansbury has done a lot of good things. I still like the logic behind the hire of Collins and think it could have worked with the right group of assistants and there is still a chance that it might. My only worry if he makes the next hire is that he will just go out and offer George Godsey 5 million a year when no one else on earth is trying to make him a head coach. He seems to have Tech man syndrome when it comes to his first choices to call when there is an opening.

 

[gtrower]

Positioned? We've been positioned forever and CDH continues to fall short while getting contract extensions. Last season is not that long ago. 31-25, wasn't it? The program hasn't changed in ages.

Do you follow baseball? Honest question. We took a hit when they dumped aluminum and sunk the seams to give leverage to pitchers about a decade ago. Brutal to a lineup built for bombs

We responded by building arguably the best pitching facilities in the country (completed a few years ago) and pitcher recruiting has responded accordingly.

We’ll be a popular pick for Omaha as soon as this season. Hall will likely retire with the departure of his son after this year transitioning perfectly into the era of Ramsey. Only a handful of programs in the country I’d trade with right now.

 

[gtfan1147]

My only worry if he makes the next hire is that he will just go out and offer George Godsey 5 million a year when no one else on earth is trying to make him a head coach. He seems to have Tech man syndrome when it comes to his first choices to call when there is an opening.

This is my fear as well. The Whisenhunt stuff and Godsey OC offer was very concerning from a finger-on-the-pulse perspective.

 

[Liberty]

This is my fear as well. The Whisenhunt stuff and Godsey OC offer was very concerning from a finger-on-the-pulse perspective.

You’re thinking Whisenhunt & Godsey & a nameless DC would have underperformed G*C*, Goober & Thacker?

 

[smokey_wasp]

You’re thinking Whisenhunt & Godsey & a nameless DC would have underperformed G*C*, Goober & Thacker?

They may not have, but that wouldn't make them good hires, either.

 

[1982Jacket]

I think our AD is doing a great job. Most sports other than football are doing well; he does a very good job engaging with fans and the broader GT community (or at least he did before COVID screwed a lot of that up); he is making unpopular but necessary decisions to address financial reality such as the Benz game and turf in BDS; even giving Collins one more year was the correct decision in my opinion.

The only black mark against him right now is the hire of Collins, which clearly isn't working out so far. But I won't reduce his entire tenure and job performance to that one decision, which I feel is what's happening with most of the people who hate him.

So to sum it up: yes, I do trust him.

You lost me with "turf in BDS."

I'm a results-oriented kind of dude. I DNGAF about "engaging." Just win, baby. Win and I don't care how big a prick you are to fans and "the broader GT community." Engaging is what Angel Cabrera is for. Lose, and you could have the outgoing personality and charm of Cary Grant, and again I DNGAF - you need to go.

I generally do not trust ANYONE and that has served me well my entire life. But OK, I'm game.

If you care to, you might convince me. What does it mean that "most sports other than football are doing well," and what are his contributions to that? Are you talking about ladies hoops and ladies volleyball - about which I do not give even the tiniest öööö? Or is there more? Track and field? Swimming? Tennis? Gymnastics? Has he improved Tech's baseball team? I honestly just don't know. Maybe I should.

I will add that selecting CGC was not just "one decision" - like deciding what drapes to put in his office. It was very far and away the hardest and most important decision he has had to make - and very fairly the one on which he should be judged the most (but no, not exclusively). And early results are not promising - although I would love to see that turn around. It's just hard right now for me to see how he has not hitched his future to Collins'. But my opinion on that is not at all firm, and I remain open to being convinced otherwise - especially with a list of other great decisions he's made and/or great successes he's produced.

 

[1982Jacket]

What does being a Spaniard have to do with anything? You just sound racist.

I think it means he grew up in a country where they spell football "fútbol" and the ball is round and no one GAF about college fútbol. That being the case, maybe he does not have a full appreciation of the traditions, nuances, and importance of college football that many of us share having grown up with it. I didn't take it as particularly directed at him for being Spanish - same thing would apply if he was born and raised in Japan, China, France, Germany, Iran, etc.

It's not ethicity. If his ethnicity was Spanish but he was born and raised in Milledgeville then it would be different. It's his background. Comprende?

 

[andrew]

You lost me with "turf in BDS."

I'm a results-oriented kind of dude. I DNGAF about "engaging." Just win, baby. Win and I don't care how big a prick you are to fans and "the broader GT community." Engaging is what Angel Cabrera is for. Lose, and you could have the outgoing personality and charm of Cary Grant, and again I DNGAF - you need to go.

I generally do not trust ANYONE and that has served me well my entire life. But OK, I'm game.

If you care to, you might convince me. What does it mean that "most sports other than football are doing well," and what are his contributions to that? Are you talking about ladies hoops and ladies volleyball - about which I do not give even the tiniest öööö? Or is there more? Track and field? Swimming? Tennis? Gymnastics? Has he improved Tech's baseball team? I honestly just don't know. Maybe I should.

I will add that selecting CGC was not just "one decision" - like deciding what drapes to put in his office. It was very far and away the hardest and most important decision he has had to make - and very fairly the one on which he should be judged the most (but no, not exclusively). And early results are not promising - although I would love to see that turn around. It's just hard right now for me to see how he has not hitched his future to Collins'. But my opinion on that is not at all firm, and I remain open to being convinced otherwise - especially with a list of other great decisions he's made and/or great successes he's produced.

I think we just have different views on the role of an athletic director. I view engaging with fans as a very important part of the athletic director's job, as fan donations are a big part of building a successful athletics department. I would not have said that is what the university president is there for -- I feel the university president is there primarily to engage on the academic side, and the athletic director is there for the athletics side.

Similarly, while you don't give "even the tiniest öööö" what is going on in ladies hoops or volleyball, and don't know anything about how we are doing in track and field, swimming, tennis, gymnastics, or baseball, I'd say all of those fall under the purview of the athletic director and do matter in evaluating his job performance. (If you do want to look up how we're doing in those sports I'm confident you can figure out how.)

Thus, I don't think I'll be able to convince you that we can trust him. Ideally Collins will crush it next year and this conversation will be moot. But unfortunately I don't have much faith that that will happen.

 

[1982Jacket]

I think we just have different views on the role of an athletic director. I view engaging with fans as a very important part of the athletic director's job, as fan donations are a big part of building a successful athletics department. I would not have said that is what the university president is there for -- I feel the university president is there primarily to engage on the academic side, and the athletic director is there for the athletics side.

Similarly, while you don't give even the tiniest öööö what is going on in ladies hoops or volleyball, and don't know anything about how we are doing in track and field, swimming, tennis, gymnastics, or baseball, I'd say all of those fall under the purview of the athletic director and do matter in evaluating his job performance. (If you do want to look up how we're doing in those sports I'm confident you can figure out how.)

Thus, I don't think I'll be able to convince you that we can trust him. Ideally Collins will crush it next year and this conversation will be moot. But unfortunately I don't have much faith that that will happen.

Yeah, I could look it up. Maybe I will tomorrow. I just figured you already knew off the top of your head since you were bragging about how well the other sports are doing. Maybe (?) you were just guessing.

Money follows success. Win 9, 10, 11 football games, and money will roll in. Always has - always will. BTW, IMO the vast majority of the "broader GT Community" does not give one öööö about football and no AD is going to substantially change that by "engaging." Know what will change that? Success. Winning. Human nature being what it is, people love to front run and glom onto success. It's why the dwags have eleventy million fans in JawJa - and probably more than ever right now. All his great engaging yielded half full stadiums all year long. But win 9 or 10 games next year and see what happens - and how much money it brings in.

All I really know for sure is that I read that letter he sent out after the ugag beatdown, and he clearly does not even understand the meaning of the term "margin for error" which he embarrasingly misused in that letter. Does that inspire trust and confidence?

You're probably right. You probably couldn't convince me. Because I don't think you have a case that can demonstate he has shown good judgment and made good decisions that merit trust and confidence.

 

[Uncle Mike]

You cant trust a mushhead

 

[StraightFresh]

I think we just have different views on the role of an athletic director. I view engaging with fans as a very important part of the athletic director's job, as fan donations are a big part of building a successful athletics department. I would not have said that is what the university president is there for -- I feel the university president is there primarily to engage on the academic side, and the athletic director is there for the athletics side.

Similarly, while you don't give "even the tiniest öööö" what is going on in ladies hoops or volleyball, and don't know anything about how we are doing in track and field, swimming, tennis, gymnastics, or baseball, I'd say all of those fall under the purview of the athletic director and do matter in evaluating his job performance. (If you do want to look up how we're doing in those sports I'm confident you can figure out how.)

Thus, I don't think I'll be able to convince you that we can trust him. Ideally Collins will crush it next year and this conversation will be moot. But unfortunately I don't have much faith that that will happen.

It's 2022 bro. A big-time college AD gets judged on football and basketball and in our case, baseball. The Olympic and women's sports get what they get from the proceeds of the primetime shows. Being short-term bad on football but short-term good on volleyball = being long-term bad on volleyball

 

[Tampa Jacket]

Yes. Very few were complaining when Collins was hired. There was general excitement.
No one could have foreseen the lack of knowledge and organizational skills of Collins.
If you were the AD, who would you have hired instead?
And please don’t tell me Monken. He would have sucked. That guy would have made Paul Johnson’s last 2 seasons look successful. And so would Whisenhunt—-he was never a serious candidate anyway. The last two coaches we had that coached in the NFL (Groh, Gailey) did not have success at Georgia Tech.

 

[savbandjacket]

Big time screwups by Todd:
- turf
- Tech Gold (remember the green basketball court?)
- Gef’s contract (I can forgive the hire but not the contract)

I’m also not sure if it’s Tech or adidas (I suspect it’s Tech from a licensing/approval angle) but our merchandise still sucks.

 

[OmnipoTech]

I think it means he grew up in a country where they spell football "fútbol" and the ball is round and no one GAF about college fútbol. That being the case, maybe he does not have a full appreciation of the traditions, nuances, and importance of college football that many of us share having grown up with it. I didn't take it as particularly directed at him for being Spanish - same thing would apply if he was born and raised in Japan, China, France, Germany, Iran, etc.

It's not ethicity. If his ethnicity was Spanish but he was born and raised in Milledgeville then it would be different. It's his background. Comprende?

We've had plenty of GT presidents born in this country who don't GAF about college football either and made ööööty hires. Stansbury is the AD not president, but he even played football and still made öööö hires. You think that's because he's Canadian?

 

[clapper]

For the record, our gymnastics team (male only) was disbanded about forty years ago.

We have a gymnastics club for those of you that want to do your 1,2,3,4,5 rating öööö.

https://www.georgiatechgymnastics.com/

 

[GT98]

What non-3O coach was coming to Tech without a long(er) contract? Name one. He gave Geoff essentially 4 years to prove himself, which is not unheard of, before a buyout became something we could afford.

And if the contract is so financially crippling, why are we bottom tier in coach pay from the head coach on down? And maybe he did ask the big money to pony up for coordinators, but they didn't. How do you know these things

Don't know which coaches were or were not interested in the job. I was responding to the poster that mentioned a "list of candidates." The best that TDope could do is a guy from temple with little head coaching experience?

The issue is the buyout associated with the contract, not the length per se. I don't think that TDope negotiated a deal that protected GT if it went south early on (our case now). The program is stuck in no man's land unless a miracle occurs and Collins and staff figure out the coaching side of things. And given the state of the GTAA's finances, it will still be very expensive to move on after this season. Poor contract negotiation.

 

[GT98]

We finished 5th in the ACC in 2020 and 4th in 2021 followed by a god damn ACC Title. Don’t just make up öööö to fit your narrative

Great finish to the season in 2021, no doubt. 5th in 2020 was an improvement. For me personally, I don't really consider non-NCAA tournament bid seasons as good ones.

Similarly, I don't follow the non-revenue sports. That's great that they are doing well. How long will that last if the main revenue source for the GTAA continues to be a dumpster fire?

 

[GT98]

I think Stansbury has done a lot of good things. I still like the logic behind the hire of Collins and think it could have worked with the right group of assistants and there is still a chance that it might. My only worry if he makes the next hire is that he will just go out and offer George Godsey 5 million a year when no one else on earth is trying to make him a head coach. He seems to have Tech man syndrome when it comes to his first choices to call when there is an opening.

This is my fear as well. The Whisenhunt stuff and Godsey OC offer was very concerning from a finger-on-the-pulse perspective.

TDope's rolodex of contacts seems to be former players/coaches somehow connected to O'leary. But given how he has attached himself to Collins, it is doubtful that TDope will be making the next hire if Collins doesn't turn things around.

 

[FHstinger]

Big time screwups by Todd:
- turf
- Tech Gold= beige(remember the green basketball court?)
- Gef’s contract (I can forgive the hire but not the contract)
- giving away our best home game every year to MBS
- converting Tech to the blue jackets, and goofy looking adidas uniforms
I’m also not sure if it’s Tech or adidas (I suspect it’s Tech from a licensing/approval angle) but our merchandise still sucks.