All Time Tech Starting Lineup

georgytech said:
This is in response to Barrel of Rum;
Joe Hamilton was great at Tech , but that being said he was nowhere near the FOOTBALL player Billy Lothridge was, he ran, passed, & kicked, played safety in the NFL & punted in the NFL. Kicked field goals & extra points at Tech. If he were playing in today's overhyped sportsworld he would be on the cover of every sports magazine in the country & on SportsCenter every night.
Billy the Kid could get it done, learn to appreciate those that gone before you better & learn some respect for others as well.
I don't wish to offend you but some of your posts are a little out there.

That being said I agree with all the Old Farts about the old time greats being overlooked.
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I'm not saying he wasn't a great player, but he WASN'T a greater QB than Hamilton and I think you have to be absolutely blind to think otherwise.
 
BOR, I saw both play live and in person Lil Joe was great no doubt about it, Lothridge was in a totally higher class than Joe. Films don't tell it all. So unless you saw both play like I did, I consider your posts to be irrelevant as you know not of what you speak.
 
oldfoggy said:
Hate to tell BOR this but if Lothridge were playing during the time of Hamilton (I loved the LITTLE guy) Lil Joe would have been sitting on the pines behind Lothridge. As mention Lothridge could do it all. Pass/run/kick/ you name it Lothridge did it all. To top it off he was tall enough in today's game to have been a bruiser.
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:bowrofl: ok... and if Clint Castleberry was playing today he would be starting over any GT runningback in the last ten years. Give me a break.

Well surely Lothridge is on GT's all time Offensive leaders? What? He's not.? No way!! Joe Hamilton is #1.

Well then SURELY Lothridge would be in the conversation in all time passing leaders since he WAS a better QB than Lil Joe right? Surely he would be. Hamilton is #1, and Lothridge is #11, right behind none other than AJ Suggs. How does Suggs have more passing yardage than Lothridge if Lothridge was better than Hamilton?

Argument over, BOR declared winner.
 
oldfoggy said:
BOR, I saw both play live and in person Lil Joe was great no doubt about it, Lothridge was in a totally higher class than Joe. Films don't tell it all. So unless you saw both play like I did, I consider your posts to be irrelevant as you know not of what you speak.
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LOL whatever. That's your defining argument? I didn't see him play live so I just didn't know....:laugh:
 
Here's another one to piss off the older guys. Charlie Rogers was by FAR the best punt returner GT has EVER had. PERIOD.
 
Also, its hard for me NOT to put Tony Hollings as the best Runningback I've ever seen suit up for GT. But since this is an alltime team, his accomplishments on the field just don't measure up... and ULTIMATELY, thats the same issue I have with Billy Lothridge, Clint Castleberry, Randy Rhino, etc.

Lothridge may have been a better athlete than Hamilton. He was taken in the 6th round of the NFL draft and Joe was taken in the 7th round. Of course Lothridge was not just a QB. But this is an alltime team and all time accomplishments need to be considered as well as how good of a player they were. Joe Hamilton was a one man wrecking crew in 1997-1999. If we would have had an inkling of a defense, we would have won two National Championships.
 
For the same reason that Johnny Unitas threw for only 40K yards in his career and Bret Favre threw for over 71K. Favre's record was 181-104 (.635). Unitas' record was 118-64-4 (.645). Which was the better QB?

Both Lothridge and Hamilton were great QB's. Lothridge played under Dodd's defensive oriented system in the days of run-first football. Hamilton played under Fridge's pass-happy offense.

Some of those who saw both believe that Lothridge was the better of the two. He was certainly more versatile, playing QB, P and some DB. Both were deserving of the Heisman.
 
Jesus, BOR, take a deep breath. It's just a sports board, and people have said way crazier things than Old Foggy is about Lothridge.
 
Comparing Lothridge to Hamilton is like comparing apples to oranges.

Lothridge brought a whole lot of athletism to Grant Field along with a winning warrior attitude like Joshua. The only reason Dodd didn't let him play defense was the extra risk of injury to his best QB ever. He ran, passed, kicked, punted, and called many of his own plays.

Little Joe was just a great, great QB. He could run and throw with the best of them. He didn't have great size, but he was pound-for-pound among the best ever.

Different times, different style of play, different athletes. Both were great. Really, really great.
 
I was in elementary school when I saw Billy Lothridge play. I was in my forties when I saw Joe Hamilton play. The only foolish thing to say in this argument is that the one you pick as best is the only choice. Lothridge was a phenomenal athlete. He scrambled well, ran the option well, and threw well. Hamilton was also an incredible athlete. He mastered the reads in a very complex offense by his sophomore year. Pay your money and pick your choice, but then don't act like your choice is the only reasonable one. I go back and forth on which one I think was the best. Anyone who wants to argue for Shawn Jones or Wade Mitchell isn't stupid either.
 
Here's my team:
QB - Hamilton
RB's - Ivery and Lavette (split backs)
FB - Wilder (Pro-I)
WR - Campbell and Johnson
T- Mover and Kent Hill
G - Shaw and Guthrie
C - Breland
TE - Martin

DL - Gathers, Swilling, Coleman, and Rudolph (take Rudolph off for a 3-4)
LB - Brooking, Morris, Baughan and Sanford (Take Baughan off for a 4-3)
DB - Landry, Rhino, Bessillieu, Rutland

P - Brooks
K - Manget
PR - Charlie Rogers
KOR - Drew Hill
 
77GTFan said:
I was in elementary school when I saw Billy Lothridge play. I was in my forties when I saw Joe Hamilton play. The only foolish thing to say in this argument is that the one you pick as best is the only choice. Lothridge was a phenomenal athlete. He scrambled well, ran the option well, and threw well. Hamilton was also an incredible athlete. He mastered the reads in a very complex offense by his sophomore year. Pay your money and pick your choice, but then don't act like your choice is the only reasonable one. I go back and forth on which one I think was the best. Anyone who wants to argue for Shawn Jones or Wade Mitchell isn't stupid either.
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YEAH YOU COULD INCLUDE MITCHELL AS EITHER QB OR SAFETY .HE WAS A GOOD ONE AND JONES WAS A GREAT ATHLETE AND LEADER PERIOD.OF COURSE i GO WITH Billy SINCE HE COULD DO IT ALL BUT AGAIN CANT RATE FOLKS DUE TO DIFFERENT ERAS IN MY OPINION.
 
77GTFan said:
Here's my team:
QB - Hamilton
RB's - Ivery and Lavette (split backs)
FB - Wilder (Pro-I)
WR - Campbell and Johnson
T- Mover and Kent Hill
G - Shaw and Guthrie
C - Breland
TE - Martin

DL - Gathers, Swilling, Coleman, and Rudolph (take Rudolph off for a 3-4)
LB - Brooking, Morris, Baughan and Sanford (Take Baughan off for a 4-3)
DB - Landry, Rhino, Bessillieu, Rutland

P - Brooks
K - Manget
PR - Charlie Rogers
KOR - Drew Hill
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Not a bad lineup at all,of course so many good ones left off,Wilcox,Dave Watson,Larry Stalling,Ted Davis,Martin etc etc etc.Man we have had some good ones.:dancingcool::dancingcool::dunno:
 
BarrelORum said:
I'm not saying he wasn't a great player, but he WASN'T a greater QB than Hamilton and I think you have to be absolutely blind to think otherwise.
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Did you see Billy play? Yes Joe was good but overall Billy got it done.Dont think I am quite blind yet.
 
BarrelORum said:
Here's another one to piss off the older guys. Charlie Rogers was by FAR the best punt returner GT has EVER had. PERIOD.
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Why should that piss us old guys off.He was very very good period.Could do it all but Lothridge ruled my friend.
 
BarrelORum said:
LOL whatever. That's your defining argument? I didn't see him play live so I just didn't know....:laugh:
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Did you see Lothridge play his entire career,answer this since for all purposes there are many holes in the argument about Lothridge.First they played only ten games and second with the run game tech had they didnt put it in the air as much and of course you remember the cast Suggs had ,he had no choice but to throw more.
I saw both play in far tougher leagues than today.Lothridge was in a very strong SEC and Lit Joe was in ACC.Lothridge seemed to get it done when Tech needed something and so did Joe.I give the pass to Joe ,the run to Billy ,leadership a tie and attitude slightly to Billy.Sorry to argue as tech guys are wont to do but you had to be there to appreciate Billy.It aint just a old man vs a young man its what it was fifty years ago vs the last ten or so years.Both ran different offenses,Joe was wide open with bombs and Billy the middle pass and conservative.Will say have not seen as good a one as little Joe since Billy the Cool.
 
The fact that Lothridge was able to star at more than one position is proof enough that the game has changed and players cannot be compared. There is no spot for "best football player". Just because a player played multiple other positions doesnt make them great at any.
 
DeepSnap said:
It's all about how well they did against their peers.

The great ones in any era would be great in any other era because they would do whatever it took to be as dominant in whatever game they were playing when they were playing it. More size? They'd be in the weight room. More speed? They'd make it happen.

Greatness in a football player, true greatness, comes from within and the ability to work, prepare, adapt, respond, and react. It's character driven. There have been tons of guys in all eras who looked good getting off the bus, but they couldn't and didn't play worth a flip. Of course there has to be some innate physical talent, but that works across all generations.
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This isnt completely true. Heart and determination mean alot but natural ability is also required. Having superior competitiveness drive and determination will only get you so far you still need to be close to the top in measurables. Thoseguys from ages past were just not big enough, or fast enough or quick enough to compete in todays game. Perhaps they could have suceeded at a differtent position bt that is a totally different argument.
 
TangoHotelWhiskeyGolf said:
This isnt completely true. Heart and determination mean alot but natural ability is also required. Having superior competitiveness drive and determination will only get you so far you still need to be close to the top in measurables. Thoseguys from ages past were just not big enough, or fast enough or quick enough to compete in todays game. Perhaps they could have suceeded at a differtent position bt that is a totally different argument.
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Oh if you took a sixty guard at 225 vs a modern guard at over three hundered yes you areright,but to me the great ones would find a way to compete.If you take the running backs they are good in any era.Dont think that Lenny Snow or Billy Teas or Hardeman or Auer couldnt play in todays game.QB same thing.Could Billy run the option,hell yes,he did it in the sixties and was a big dude at about 195.Could Joe run Dodds offense ? Sure he could,could Watson and Gutherie bulk up to over three,probably with the weights and training rooms we have now.I look at the physical make up of the individual.Dont think Larry Morris could block a guy from our eara today at his same weight but give him time and weight training and I am sure he could.Now the guys I mentioned had athletic ability and heart.Its my opinon after watching them play and following the game for over fifty five years,coaching it for over ten that you are right,take a fifty guy vs a modern guy and the fifty guy is dead.Give the fifty guy time and he can compete.By the way the Tech squad of 63 had a starting backfield that could break ten flat on the hundreed.Speed has never been a problem for tech in any era.
 
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