Vad Lee will get chance to compete

beej67 said:
I had already declared Vad a redshirt. I said he needed a year to learn the offense and for physical development. I still think he needs those things, but I was so unimpressed with our QBs in the spring I think he'll get a chance to compete just out of sheer necessity. I thought Synjyn would be better than he's shown so far. And he might still figure it out, but the practice I saw, neither QB looked accurate passing, and neither made great reads. Synjyn looked like Nesbitt with a worse arm - deciding where to throw it before the play opened up. Tevin made better reads but sailed his balls and his throwing mechanics were poor.
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This is exactly the point I was trying to make. Vad will compete out of sheer necessity due to our QB's being so unimpressive in the spring.

At this point, it would not surprise me to see Vad listed as the #2 in the fall, but see him shifted to #3 to preserve his redshirt if our #1 makes it most of the way through the season.
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My prediction. Vad will start the season at #3, work his way up to #2 and then maybe become the starter. He will at the very least see live action because of an injury or due to the ineffectiveness of the starter. No way he redshirts. No way.
 
Given our 1 and 4 finish last year, it looks like a mistake to have not burned Days redshirt. It seems agreed that he is more talented than Washington, but in behind on experience.

I guess if we had lost to Duke and not made a bowl, that would have been worse. But I think Days would have beaten Duke too.

Oh well, here is hoping that the winner of the QB derby excels and suprises us all. Whomever it may be.
 
bonham said:
My prediction. Vad will start the season at #3, work his way up to #2 and then maybe become the starter. He will at least see live action because of an injury or due to the ineffectiveness of the starter.
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I'm opposite. If Vad doesn't see the field by game 8, he won't see the field this year. I think CPJ values redshirts on QBs that heavily. If Chan hadn't burned Nesbitt's redshirt, for example, we'd still have him for 2011.
 
bonham said:
Hmmm. No, I think most here had already declared Vad a redshirt. They said he needed a year to learn the offense and for physical development.

I believe PJ's comment about Vad is very significant and not just coach speak. PJ obviously was not pleased with the QB play this spring...to the point where he said a true freshman who has not arrived on campus would compete with a redshirt junior.
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I think you're wrong on both counts. What most people have said is that it would be tough for a true freshman to pick up the offense quickly enough to not be redshirted. What PJ is saying is what he's always said...the best guy will play. I'm sure he promised Vad a chance to compete. I don't think anything has changed from either PJ or Vad's expectations. He was going to get a shot no matter how either QB looked.
 
ncjacket said:
I think you're wrong on both counts. What most people have said is that it would be tough for a true freshman to pick up the offense quickly enough to not be redshirted. What PJ is saying is what he's always said...the best guy will play. I'm sure he promised Vad a chance to compete. I don't think anything has changed from either PJ or Vad's expectations. He was going to get a shot no matter how either QB looked.
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Right. The best guy will play. But, it will be tough for a true freshman to pick up the offense quickly enough to be the best guy. Thus, it will be tough for him not to redshirt.
 
bonham said:
I disagree. As the head coach, you just finished spring practice and make it a point to say publicly that an incoming freshman will get a chance to compete against your returning redshirt junior starter.

This is clearly an indication of displeasure at his QB's. PJ is not one for mundane coach speak. There was substance behind those comments.
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It's a teleconference. Somebody probably asked CPJ about Vad Lee. He responded with coach-speak: He'll get a chance to compete. We're excited about him.

Reading anymore into that is just wish-fulfillment. Obviously, you recruit a 4* athlete with the promise that he'll get a chance to compete for the starting job from day 1. Nobody here's disputed that. They just dispute the likelihood that he'll win the job or break the 2-deep.

FWIW, Synjyn's right hand was swollen to the size of a grapefruit on the Monday or Tuesday after his fumble-fest scrimmage.
 
WracerX said:
Given our 1 and 4 finish last year, it looks like a mistake to have not burned Days redshirt. It seems agreed that he is more talented than Washington, but in behind on experience.

I guess if we had lost to Duke and not made a bowl, that would have been worse. But I think Days would have beaten Duke too.

Oh well, here is hoping that the winner of the QB derby excels and suprises us all. Whomever it may be.
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I don't think its agreed at all that he has more talent than Washington. From what I've read and seen, Days is a good runner but has problems with ball control and isn't a decent passer by any stretch.

Maybe his ceiling is higher, and that's what you mean by talent, but from what I've seen Washington is simply a better QB at this point of his career, and was a better QB last year as well.

Don't forget, if Washington wasn't getting the job done last year Sims would have come in. Too many of you seem to ignore that our big problem last year was ball control, not moving the ball. I've said it before on other threads, the offense performed BETTER against STRONGER competition with Tevin at the helm. That's a fact. We put up over 500 yards on georgie, a team that averaged giving up only 335 (and the third best defense we faced in yards/game).

I'm in complete disagreement that Days could have put up 500 yards on the road last year against uga.

Too many of you think that Tevin is a bad QB without actually thinking it through. You hear about guys like Vad Lee and see their highlight film against a bunch of 16 and 17 year olds who won't sniff college and are ready to proclaim them the chosen one of our offense.

Guess what?? We SHOULDN'T have burned a redshirt on Days last year. I've seen him play. He's got promise, but he's very wet behind the ears and doesn't appear comfortable doing much other than running with the football. I wish him the best, but there's no way he should have started last year, over Sims or Washington.

Same with Vad. I wish him the best. I hope he IS chosen the starter. But our offense isn't easy to get a hang of. There's a lot of moving pieces. The mesh alone is tough to excel at. There's a ton of spacing issues on a number of option plays - it's kindof like the Blue Angels flying in formation.

I have no doubt Days and Vad will make fine QBs one day. But that's not today, at least not yet.
 
AE 87 said:
FWIW, Synjyn's right hand was swollen to the size of a grapefruit on the Monday or Tuesday after his fumble-fest scrimmage.
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Paul Johnson broke Synjyn's hand for having a bad performance!?!?! That's WAY over the line.
 
Legal Jacket said:
I don't think its agreed at all that he has more talent than Washington. From what I've read and seen, Days is a good runner but has problems with ball control and isn't a decent passer by any stretch.

Maybe his ceiling is higher, and that's what you mean by talent, but from what I've seen Washington is simply a better QB at this point of his career, and was a better QB last year as well.
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Higher ceiling, that is what I was talking about. I haven't seen Days play. I am just going off the reports from other posters. I was also going off the CPJ (undocumented) quote saying that if Nesbitt had gone down earlier in the year, they would have burned Days redshirt. I interpted that as Days was more talented and they were both raw. It could mean that Days was ahead of Washington early in the year, but by the time Nesbitt went down, Washington had overtaken Days.

Either way, I'm hoping the O continues to roll and stops fumbling.
 
Vad will be given an opportunity. If he doesn't show that he's the #1 qb he'll rs
 
oldfoggy said:
Absolutely agree Vad will get a chance to compete, but as a true Freshman I expect him to RS. But for a coach to say an incoming Freshman will not compete you would then see them bolting for other programs.
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This.

I got a chance to meet and chat with Vad at the first Saturday scrimmage. I don't mean to imply that we're big buddies or anything like that, but it is obvious that he is an intense young man and is itching to play. The desire is definitely there.

Personally I hope he redshirts. I'd rather have 4 years of him clicking on all cylinders.
 
Just my 2 cents, but there are better odds of TW making unexpected improvements and keeping the starting job in the fall, than a true freshman learning the system and adapting to the college game. I'm not saying he's certain to be the starter, but he's statistically more likely to be the best QB in September.
 
Two things:

1. PJ has shown a willingness to put a true FR QB on the 2-deep. Our example is Jaybo Shaw. However, this was done because there just wasn't another option QB on the roster. Our example is Calvin Booker. It was required that Shaw be the backup that season.

We currently have three option QB's with experience on our roster: Washington, Days and Sims (if neccessary). It is not required this fall, so Lee will have to prove he's better than all three of them.

He will have the chance to compete. No more, no less. If he comes in and excels, then so be it. He'd likely not burn a RS on a backup role. Lee will have to win the starter position to avoid a RS. It could happen, but it's not probable.

The only possibility of him starting is if he comes in and proves to be another Vick/Tyrod type player. One you cannot keep off the field. However, this offense is not designed to allow a QB to freelance like that, and I highly doubt Lee will be able to impress that way.

2. It is likely that a good deal of our QB woes are being caused by inconsistent OL play this spring. I would conjecture that we'll see improved QB play this August when we stop experimenting with and having to patch up the OL.

Botom line: Lee will be given the chance to show his stuff in August, but the overwhelming probability is he will RS. That would be the best thing for our program.
 
stinger78 said:
Two things:

1. PJ has shown a willingness to put a true FR QB on the 2-deep. Our example is Jaybo Shaw. However, this was done because there just wasn't another option QB on the roster. Our example is Calvin Booker. It was required that Shaw be the backup that season.

We currently have three option QB's with experience on our roster: Washington, Days and Sims (if neccessary). It is not required this fall, so Lee will have to prove he's better than all three of them.

He will have the chance to compete. No more, no less. If he comes in and excels, then so be it. He'd likely not burn a RS on a backup role. Lee will have to win the starter position to avoid a RS. It could happen, but it's not probable.

The only possibility of him starting is if he comes in and proves to be another Vick/Tyrod type player. One you cannot keep off the field. However, this offense is not designed to allow a QB to freelance like that, and I highly doubt Lee will be able to impress that way.
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That's a good analysis. I will say this though. Vad is the type of QB that PJ has dreamed about having since he started running the spread option. Given Vad's talents, PJ will try to get him on the field sooner rather than later, particularly since neither TW or Days has really impressed in the spring.

Now, there is no doubt at this point that TW will be going into the season opener as the starter. He started and played half the season last year and you simply cannot discount that level of experience. However, Days doesn't seem to be doing much of anything this spring and he has no live game experience to boot. I think Vad will beat out Days for the backup role a few games into the season.
 
bonham said:
That's a good analysis. I will say this though. Vad is the type of QB that PJ has dreamed about having since he started running the spread option. Given Vad's talents, PJ will try to get him on the field sooner rather than later, particularly since neither TW or Days has really impressed in the spring.

Now, there is no doubt at this point that TW will be going into the season opener as the starter. He started and played half the season last year and you simply cannot discount that level of experience. However, Days doesn't seem to be doing much of anything this spring and he has no live game experience to boot. I think Vad will beat out Days for the backup role a few games into the season.
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Your ability to know exactly what CPJ is thinking (and dreaming) is simply amazing!!!
 
bonham said:
That's a good analysis. I will say this though. Vad is the type of QB that PJ has dreamed about having since he started running the spread option. Given Vad's talents, PJ will try to get him on the field sooner rather than later, particularly since neither TW or Days has really impressed in the spring.

Now, there is no doubt at this point that TW will be going into the season opener as the starter. He started and played half the season last year and you simply cannot discount that level of experience. However, Days doesn't seem to be doing much of anything this spring and he has no live game experience to boot. I think Vad will beat out Days for the backup role a few games into the season.
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How many spring practices have you been to? How are you qualified to make an assessment of Days' performance?

Most everything Paul Johnson has said to the media this spring has been to try and motivate players currently on the team. You do that by hinting their job may be in jeopardy if the don't pick up the effort. That doesn't mean he is displeased with the effort though.
 
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