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vapspwi said:
I need to see the math on that.

JRjr
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Gailey wins over ranked teams

2002
No 10 NCST

2003
No 17 Auburn

2004
No 18 Clemson
No 23 Maryland

2005
No 16 Auburn
No 3 Miami

2006
No 9 VT

2007
No 13 Clemson

8 upsets of ranked teams in 6 seasons.
 
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Johnson wins over ranked teams

2008
No 16 FSU
No 23 Miami
No 11 uga

2009
No 18 unc
No 4 VT

2010

2011
No 6 Clemson

2012

2013

2014
No 19 Clemson
No 9 uga
No 7 miss state (orange bowl)

2015
No 9 FSU

2016
No 18 VT

2017
No 17 VT

2018

So 12 upsets of ranked teams in 10 seasons.
 
OK, Gailey averaged 1.33 top 25 wins a year, average rank 13.6.

CPJ has averaged 1.2 top 25 wins a year, average rank 8.9.

Gailey consistently beat somebody we shouldn't each year. Johnson is streakier, but his wins are over higher ranked teams. Not sure you can really say that Gailey did better against the top 25 than Johnson has, by most readings of the data.

JRjr
 
vapspwi said:
OK, Gailey averaged 1.33 top 25 wins a year, average rank 13.6.

CPJ has averaged 1.2 top 25 wins a year, average rank 8.9.

Gailey consistently beat somebody we shouldn't each year. Johnson is streakier, but his wins are over higher ranked teams. Not sure you can really say that Gailey did better against the top 25 than Johnson has, by most readings of the data.

JRjr
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It’s close enough where I don’t think you can really say that Johnson is some big improvement over Gailey. The biggest difference between the two is Johnson has gotten uga a few times (and that is a big difference). Johnson also has the orange bowl year, but I think he more than offset that with a 3 win year and losing the bowl streak.

Edit - I also should have considered chances against ranked teams in my analysis but did not. That probably matters some too.
 
I can't make it to the end of this thread. The bigcry idioticness is painful to witness.
 
savbandjacket said:
Edit - I also should have considered chances against ranked teams in my analysis but did not. That probably matters some too.
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Looks like Gailey faced 25 top 25 teams and beat 8 of them (0.320). Johnson has faced 36 top 25 teams and beat 12 of them (0.333). I didn't write down the average rankings because I didn't think to do that until just now.

Edit: it's about a push. Average rank of Gailey's 25 foes was 11.96, Johnson's was 11.6. From the earlier stats, it looks like Johnson beat more of the higher ranked opponents (average rank of those he beat was 8.9) than Gailey did (average rank of those he beat was 13.6).

JRjr
 
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vapspwi said:
Looks like Gailey faced 25 top 25 teams and beat 8 of them (0.320). Johnson has faced 36 top 25 teams and beat 12 of them (0.333). I didn't write down the average rankings because I didn't think to do that until just now.

JRjr
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Not thinking of it until done was also my problem. I’ll agree to let the next person track that stat.
 
GoldenIsle said:
I can't remember in my 61 years seeing a D-1 program totally inept at the forward pass.
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Let's go back to this.

Do you remember Reggie Ball's stat line against NC State that one hilarious time? Don't make me dig it up.

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http://www.espn.com/college-football/playbyplay?gameId=243110152

At halftime of this game Reggie was 4 of 18 with 3 INTs including a pick 6, throwing at Calvin Johnson, versus a team that would end the season with a losing record.
 
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18in32 said:
You think a top 25 offense *just wouldn't* have a game like today? I can show you plenty that do.
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Interesting to note that the #1 defense in the country, Michigan, got its hat handed to it on Saturday. Before the Ohio St game, Michigan was giving up 234 yds per game. Ohio St gained 567 yards. Even good squads have really bad games, sometimes before big audiences.
 
18in32 said:
Interesting to note that the #1 defense in the country, Michigan, got its hat handed to it on Saturday. Before the Ohio St game, Michigan was giving up 234 yds per game. Ohio St gained 567 yards. Even good squads have really bad games, sometimes before big audiences.
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Still arguing a straw man position.
 
18in32 said:
Interesting to note that the #1 defense in the country, Michigan, got its hat handed to it on Saturday. Before the Ohio St game, Michigan was giving up 234 yds per game. Ohio St gained 567 yards. Even good squads have really bad games, sometimes before big audiences.
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Yep. As good as Alabama's defenses have been in years past there have been several games where they have given up 40+. It hasn't happened this year.....yet.
 
vapspwi said:
Looks like Gailey faced 25 top 25 teams and beat 8 of them (0.320). Johnson has faced 36 top 25 teams and beat 12 of them (0.333). I didn't write down the average rankings because I didn't think to do that until just now.

Edit: it's about a push. Average rank of Gailey's 25 foes was 11.96, Johnson's was 11.6. From the earlier stats, it looks like Johnson beat more of the higher ranked opponents (average rank of those he beat was 8.9) than Gailey did (average rank of those he beat was 13.6).

JRjr
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The biggest difference between Gailey and Johnson is uga and that is a big difference. Without looking back, however, I recall Gailey had to deal with the stronger Richt years in Athens than Johnson had to deal with. Johnson of course now has to deal with Kirby and turbo recruiting so over time that will either be a wash or weigh in Johnson’s favor (uga being stronger in his tenure)

Clemson is undoubtedly stronger in Johnson era though he did get to jump on Dabo as a new coach.

I think both got FSU on more or less equal terms.

Duke is way better in Johnson era.

Miami was better in Gailey time.

All of this is to say that I don’t think there is that big of a gap between Gailey and Johnson as we like to think in terms of performance. Gailey got fired for not beating uga and that’s pretty much it. Gailey recruiting was a hell of a lot better than Johnson.
 
2006 UGA lost to Kentucky and Florida, when 2006 was the best Gailey team. In that game, Reggie Ball went 6-for-22, 42 yards, 0 TDs and 2 INTs. Then there was the wonderful 9-6 ACCCG.

The 2012 UGA team also was one play from beating Alabama and very likely then beating ND. So I don't know if the Richt teams were that much worse 2002-07 vs 2008-15.

You can splice the data however you want. But of course, three wins over UGA, the ACC championship and the Orange Bowl win does give CPJ more goodwill than the two wins over Auburn and the 2005 win over Miami. The goodwill is running out for me, but it's there.
 
savbandjacket said:
The biggest difference between Gailey and Johnson is uga and that is a big difference.
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There's more than that. Johnson has given us higher "highs" than Gailey did. Three ACC championship appearances, one ACC Championship win, and an Orange Bowl win. Gailey's high point was an ACC championship appearance. Johnson has had several successful seasons (2008, 2009, 2014, 2016) where as Gailey had maybe sort-of one (2006).
 
floridajacket said:
The goodwill is running out for me, but it's there.
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+1. We've had some good seasons with CPJ and I think he could do it again with a reasonable level of talent. That said, if I really believed a coaching change would cure our ills I would be in favor of it. But I'm not convinced it's going to be a solution.
 
Would this be where one gets yelled at for asking "Other than that Ms. Lincoln, How was the Play?".

If so, really good thing that one did not say that.

THWG. That is all.
 
GT to AZ said:
There's more than that. Johnson has given us higher "highs" than Gailey did. Three ACC championship appearances, one ACC Championship win, and an Orange Bowl win. Gailey's high point was an ACC championship appearance. Johnson has had several successful seasons (2008, 2009, 2014, 2016) where as Gailey had maybe sort-of one (2006).
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Higher highs, lower lows. I will take that if CPJ shows me he has a QB and an OL ready next year. We had no one ready after JT5. Injuries happen to everyone. TM didn’t progress. TO, apparently, isn’t ready to take over. QB is the one spot we over recruit and if the 3o can’t provide that by picking up people no one else wants at QB, we need a new system.

A bowl win would help to quite the restless, but you don’t get three years worth of transition. Ask Petrino and Fedora.

And I have supported CPJ from the get go.
 
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