#25 Jeff Sims

I think it is over signing. If you think it is not, then please explain. I think over signing is when you sign for more than your "expected normal" attrition. I think we did that but only by 2-3. By comparison, the old staff was bad about not signing enough and then having a short roster. I wouldn't have considered that over signing.

BUT I have no problem with that happening during a coaching transition. The bottomline is good RBs are going to need to find a new home because they are never going to see the field at GT. That isn't the coaches fault, that is a roster imbalance issue. Might be true for some smaller defensive players.
 
Akinji07 said:
Yeah good thing we abandoned SEC because we were so mad about over signing. Maybe they’ll take us back now.
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There was no issue with “oversigning” when we were in the SEC.

The rules (familiarize yourself with the concept) allowed ALL the conference teams to sign up to 45 per year. Nobody signed more than that.

If a team did not want to sign that many they did not have to. Who the hell needed to sign more than 35 per year back then anyway?

If a coach is getting lazy at the end of his career and doesn’t want to recruit as much as he wants to go play tennis, then he should resign and let someone else take over.

What you don’t do is cry, pick up your marbles, and go home.
 
I for one have no desire to relitigate our exit from the SEC. The rules were different than they are today. The cultures were different. The economics were different. The personalities were different. Everything today is different than what is was then, including the playing field stripings and goalposts and maybe the ball itself.

We are not going back in. The millenials think the boomers and pre-boomers are talking Greek, and not even fraternal Greek. Don't understand the issues. Don't care. Explanations are a waste of syllables.

So no relevance for today. Bobby Dodd. Great coach. Homer Rice. Great AD. I liked {fillintheblank}. Good Tech man. To Hell With Georgia. We've bled for a while, but we are getting up. (Dwags are in trouble now.) And we will fight some more, and win.
 
Tampa Jacket said:
Odds he gets the starting job by midseason?
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Less than 10%. Jeff will be a beast but until these new QBs can show they can understand college level defenses, college level protections, and demonstrate college level processing, then they won't play next year.
 
JacketForLife said:
Less than 10%. Jeff will be a beast but until these new QBs can show they can understand college level defenses, college level protections, and demonstrate college level processing, then they won't play next year.
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I'd say one in three that 1 of the 2 T-Fr get the gig, and at the beginning of the season.

Let's look at the competition. Graham did not show an understanding of college level defenses, not consistently. Yates didn't get the snaps to show he understood defs, and I trust the coaches who saw more of him than I did during the week. Johnson had some good streaks, and some not. Oliver has moved. Ryan Lantz could not win the job as a walk-on freshman. Liam Byrne saw some playing time a year removed... as an emergency wr.

So everyone gets a chance to mature in the spring and show what they have. Everyone is young, except Johnson who will be a R-Jr. I'm rooting for all of them. I'd say the one who starts will be the one who, like you said, best demonstrates college level processing by the end of spring.
 
texstinger said:
There was no issue with “oversigning” when we were in the SEC.

The rules (familiarize yourself with the concept) allowed ALL the conference teams to sign up to 45 per year. Nobody signed more than that.

If a team did not want to sign that many they did not have to. Who the hell needed to sign more than 35 per year back then anyway?

If a coach is getting lazy at the end of his career and doesn’t want to recruit as much as he wants to go play tennis, then he should resign and let someone else take over.

What you don’t do is cry, pick up your marbles, and go home.
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Pretty sure he has a major coaching award and a stadium named after him....oh and beat Georgia 8 times in a row. But let’s not throw any of that in there.
 
texstinger said:
There was no issue with “oversigning” when we were in the SEC.

The rules (familiarize yourself with the concept) allowed ALL the conference teams to sign up to 45 per year. Nobody signed more than that.

If a team did not want to sign that many they did not have to. Who the hell needed to sign more than 35 per year back then anyway?

If a coach is getting lazy at the end of his career and doesn’t want to recruit as much as he wants to go play tennis, then he should resign and let someone else take over.

What you don’t do is cry, pick up your marbles, and go home.
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OK boomer
 
texstinger said:
There was no issue with “oversigning” when we were in the SEC.

The rules (familiarize yourself with the concept) allowed ALL the conference teams to sign up to 45 per year. Nobody signed more than that.

If a team did not want to sign that many they did not have to. Who the hell needed to sign more than 35 per year back then anyway?

If a coach is getting lazy at the end of his career and doesn’t want to recruit as much as he wants to go play tennis, then he should resign and let someone else take over.

What you don’t do is cry, pick up your marbles, and go home.
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Pittsburgh signed 105 and won the NC a few years later.
 
texstinger said:
And that is why we left the SEC. Ok.
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So you really want to keep this whole “we would have been great if we would have remained in the SEC” going? With unrelenting academicians, an unfriendly BOT, and football facilities slightly above Grady High School, tell me how they were going to knock heads favorably with Bama, Tennessee, UGA, and the like? Sure, I have always felt Tech’s natural Rivals were in the SEC, and not UVA, Wake, etc., but keep in mind that Tech (for many years) played Auburn, Tennessee, and of course UGA on a yearly basis.
My point is this; how do you keep bashing a man who did what he did for Tech football over one decision (and it wasn’t his alone)?
 
donsue said:
My point is this; how do you keep bashing a man who did what he did for Tech football over one decision (and it wasn’t his alone)?
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I get tired of rehashing this over n over. But I need to say this:

I had a long talk about this with Furman Bisher and Furman told me that Dodd had changed his mind and didn’t want to leave the conference at that fateful SEC meeting. But Chip Robert and the Pres were insistent about following it through.

Maybe he was just covering his butt with Furman after the fact or maybe He really didn’t want to leave. Who knows? Ancient history.
 
Unless Sims is enrolling early, I’d say the odds of him being the starter by mid-season are pretty low. Gleason will have a huge advantage over him.

People need to remember that Lucas was deemed QB1 at the beginning of last season. Graham was QB3. Not saying the staff can’t evaluate talent. Just tells me one guy looked better at practice, and I wouldn’t be shocked if Gleason lights it up this Spring. The coaches will be able to run the entire playbook with him, and I imagine the defense is gonna have a tougher time defending.

For the record, I’ve never seen Gleason play. My prediction is based solely on having seen Graham play and the fact that Collins went after Gleason immediately after getting the job.
 
Walton said:
I think it is over signing. If you think it is not, then please explain. I think over signing is when you sign for more than your "expected normal" attrition. I think we did that but only by 2-3. By comparison, the old staff was bad about not signing enough and then having a short roster. I wouldn't have considered that over signing.

BUT I have no problem with that happening during a coaching transition. The bottomline is good RBs are going to need to find a new home because they are never going to see the field at GT. That isn't the coaches fault, that is a roster imbalance issue. Might be true for some smaller defensive players.
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Remember the part of Collins' talk when he was hired and he said that he has a one-on-one conversation with every player on the team when he first got here and that he would do the same at the end of the year? As part of an open and frank conversation both ways, most of these kids are going to be straight with him if they plan to leave. Having your coach on your side and trying to help you land a spot at a different school is much preferred over having to do it all yourself with the help (hopefully?) of your old high school coach.

Then couple that with the fact that we didn't use all scholarships last year and have 8 early enrollees in this class, it means at least some of those guys will count towards the 2019 total instead of the 2020 total. I would guarantee that Coach Collins and his staff know within an error margin of 1 or possibly 2 exactly how many scholarships they have available to award.
 
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