35 Head Coaches make more than Paul Johnson

05GTCorndog said:
Considering that over the past 8 years we are probably about the 35th best team on average, this seems about right.
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That assumes all teams are on a level playing field. But we know this is absolutely not true, especially for Tech. We have a lot of disadvantages that the vast majority of CFB teams don't suffer from, especially due to academics.
 
law_bee said:
who is complaining about his contract. We didn't even sniff the orange bowl b/f he got here (and that is even in 1990 championship year).

The rational part of my brain tells me this will be the most successful period of GT football in my lifetime.

Before PJ we were 4-4 or close to it in conf for ~8 straight years and now we have 2 conf losses and it is a huge disappointment.
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If we end up with only 2 conf losses, it won't be a huge disappointment. It'll be a Christmas miracle.
 
rghoae said:
That assumes all teams are on a level playing field. But we know this is absolutely not true, especially for Tech. We have a lot of disadvantages that the vast majority of CFB teams don't suffer from, especially due to academics.
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So what is your point?

Every school has excuses. Some more legit than others. We are paying a rate respective of the results we've gotten. I think CPJ is better than the 36th best coach in the country, but the fact remains that the team has only 1 'better than Braine' season in the last 6. Other than that it has been eerily Gailey-esque.
 
rghoae said:
That assumes all teams are on a level playing field. But we know this is absolutely not true, especially for Tech. We have a lot of disadvantages that the vast majority of CFB teams don't suffer from, especially due to academics.
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On the flip side, we're in a great recruiting area (compared to a place like, say, Boise St) and we're in Atlanta.
 
Corndog, I don't know if you actually believe what you're saying, or are just being contrarian. If Ohio state was getting the results we've gotten, the coach would be fired, but if georgia state got those results, the guy should be national coach of the year. The school that you are at matters very much, and I don't believe that you honestly think PJ is no better then the 35th best coach in the country. I'd put him in the top 10, and in an environment like GT, top 5 at least.
 
johncu said:
Corndog, I don't know if you actually believe what you're saying, or are just being contrarian. If Ohio state was getting the results we've gotten, the coach would be fired, but if georgia state got those results, the guy should be national coach of the year. The school that you are at matters very much, and I don't believe that you honestly think PJ is no better then the 35th best coach in the country. I'd put him in the top 10, and in an environment like GT, top 5 at least.
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You cannot be serious. IIWII. We're #35 under CPJ after 8 years and that's where we'll be 8 years from now if he's still around. We'll have 1-2 really good years in that 8 year span and 6 more really average-to-mediocre years.

That doesn't make any coach "top 5".
 
johncu said:
Corndog, I don't know if you actually believe what you're saying, or are just being contrarian. If Ohio state was getting the results we've gotten, the coach would be fired, but if georgia state got those results, the guy should be national coach of the year. The school that you are at matters very much, and I don't believe that you honestly think PJ is no better then the 35th best coach in the country. I'd put him in the top 10, and in an environment like GT, top 5 at least.
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Where did I say he is the 35th best coach in the country? Hell, in the previous post I said I think he is better than that. However, I'm not sure he is top 20. Go look at out record from 2010 - Present and tell me how great he is. We are paying an accurate rate relative to the team's level of success. GT isn't easy to win at... but Gailey won at a 58% clip. CPJ has won at a 61% rate (+2 wins over UGA). The UGA wins are a nice kicker, but a coach that has a 3% higher winning percentage than Gailey is not a top 5 coach.
 
You're entitled to your opinion. I simply disagree. Based on his entire career, I think you can make an argument that Paul Johnson is a top 10-15 coach. The top 5 comment was purely in reference to the GT job.

FWIW, I think he hasn't done as well as he could've (or even expected to) at Georgia Tech. I think he's learned a lot about recruiting, as evidenced by the last two classes being much better.
 
johncu said:
You're entitled to your opinion. I simply disagree. Based on his entire career, I think you can make an argument that Paul Johnson is a top 10-15 coach. The top 5 comment was purely in reference to the GT job.

FWIW, I think he hasn't done as well as he could've (or even expected to) at Georgia Tech. I think he's learned a lot about recruiting, as evidenced by the last two classes being much better.
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I hope you are correct because I think he's here for at least another 10 years or so if he continues his current winning %. Plenty of fans are content with things, the program is clean, and he does a good job of graduating players.
 
johncu said:
You're entitled to your opinion. I simply disagree. Based on his entire career, I think you can make an argument that Paul Johnson is a top 10-15 coach. The top 5 comment was purely in reference to the GT job.

FWIW, I think he hasn't done as well as he could've (or even expected to) at Georgia Tech. I think he's learned a lot about recruiting, as evidenced by the last two classes being much better.
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Duke has as many, if not more limitations and they're kicking our ass. If we can't regularly beat a school a third our size that is an issue.
 
GT1992 said:
Duke has as many, if not more limitations and they're kicking our ass. If we can't regularly beat a school a third our size that is an issue.
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And who'd rather go to crappy Durham than freaking Atlanta? For all the valid complaints of our restrictions, being in Hip Hop Central should be a recruiting edge over many schools.
 
I hate that we extended his contract after a fluke season. It's not like he was going anywhere.


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texstinger said:
Would love to see actual evidence of this.

I would love to channel it to the NCAA if valid.
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In the Miami case, the Ponzi scheme guy said "I tried to go after one of the 5* SEC recruits once, but I just couldn't match what the SEC booster were paying." Real Sports had some Auburn former players who said they got thousands in cash.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/03/hbo_four_former_auburn_players.html

The Auburn players weren't willing to turn state's witness for the NCAA, naming all other players, maybe a coach, and the "bag-men." So the NCAA said they couldn't do anything.
 
BradJacket said:
I hate that we extended his contract after a fluke season. It's not like he was going anywhere.


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So, who was the better hire instead of CPJ in 2008:

1. Randy Edsall.
2. Rick Neuheisal
3. Muschamp
4. Chris Hatcher

Why would a 2015 search yield better candidates? For the years of the CCG firing debate, CPJ was pretty much the guy that was pointed to. Now we couldn't do that.
 
BradJacket said:
I hate that we extended his contract after a fluke season. It's not like he was going anywhere.


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I did it for me. I liked it. I was good at it. And, I was really... I was alive. CPJ
 
GT1992 said:
Duke has as many, if not more limitations and they're kicking our ass. If we can't regularly beat a school a third our size that is an issue.
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Um...what? PJ is 6-2 against Duke. Duke isn't kicking our ass any more than we are kicking Georgia's.

During PJ's tenure, GT >>> Duke. If they didn't play a joke OOC and cross division schedule, they'd still be struggling to make bowls.

I'm fine with being consistently competitive with 10+ wins here and there. I don't think many coaches could pull that off at GT right now.
 
johncu said:
Um...what? PJ is 6-2 against Duke. Duke isn't kicking our ass any more than we are kicking Georgia's.

During PJ's tenure, GT >>> Duke. If they didn't play a joke OOC and cross division schedule, they'd still be struggling to make bowls.

I'm fine with being consistently competitive with 10+ wins here and there. I don't think many coaches could pull that off at GT right now.
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They've been saying this for 40 years now. Somehow,we won a national championship during that time. People are trying to find a scapegoat. CPJ made a mistake in 2011 and 2012 not recruiting enough skill position players and we are paying for it now. Hopefully, he learns not to unbalance the classes so much.
 
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