5 Years $21.33M

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THWUGA said:
The point is really straight forward. It’s a probability game. I'm not saying we should pay people more than they're worth, obvi.


I don't think I've seen anyone say we have to pay Key $4MM but maybe I've missed it.

I would bet that his first contract would be about $2.5-2.8MM/avg x 4 years if he got the job, plus an option year, plus material incentives, and a significantly larger assistants pool. Which may not be a bad route to take.

Key matched his predecessor's annual win total in only 5 games, and had we not gone with experience over talent in the UVA game he'd be 4-1. If he's successful he'll stay here for life (yeah I know that's what they said about Curry). Many reasons why he's worth a shot, despite the OL's performance. At the end of the day, he was an assistant for Clown, not in charge of the program.

At the complete opposite end of the spectrum, you have Cabrera's comments indicating it's a new day on The Flats. Maybe that starts with doubling the coaching staff payroll budget, and we hire a head coach in the $6.5-7.0MM range, ranking our comp around 20th in power 5 football. Now you're poaching someone; do you go after Fickell ($5MM @ Cincy), Leach ($5MM @ Miss St), Fleck ($5MM @ Minny), Bielema ($4MM @ ILL), Freeze ($4MM @ Liberty), Clawson ($4MM @ Wake), to name a few? Anything north of that is untouchable. I'm guessing at least Miss State, Minnesota and Illinois would match any $7MM offer for their guys, and I really hope (and don't think) Freeze will be in consideration here.

The other names are in the middle... mid-major head coaches (Chadwell is $2MM @ CCU) and big program assistants (BOB is $1.1MM @ Bama) who will command +/-$4MM.
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If he is making 1.1, why would BOB not take it for 2.0?
 
GTCrew said:
If he is making 1.1, why would BOB not take it for 2.0?
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Tech is not without risk. BOB might decide another year at bama will net him a higher paying less risky SEC or B1G job. If oil prices peak enough, TAM might bring him on.

He would be a bigger name candidate right now if the bama defense could shave off a fg per game or if their ST could hit an extra fg per game.
 
GTCrew said:
If he is making 1.1, why would BOB not take it for 2.0?
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Same reason why a director of revenue doesn't take the CEO job with below-market comp.

And the other factors I mentioned are the reasons why a board of directors for a bottom-quartile company looking for a new CEO, if they aim to be a top-quartile company, may have very good reasons to target someone more proven, with a higher floor and ceiling, at double the current compensation.

Maybe Key thinks $2.0MM is market comp for him and I'm wrong. Maybe he will accept far less than market specifically because it's Georgia Tech -- he's already accepted a little less than market before for the same reason. Thought we can debate the merits of that on Tech's side, because I think we've seen repeatedly what can happen when you place too big an emphasis on Tech connections. I'm not an expert in college football head coaching. But generally this is how it works in the real world, and in football. Go ahead and lay out upper half P5 jobs and how that works with head coaches changing teams, and assistants moving up to head coach ranks.

Hell, it happens in pro football player comp. Look at why Roquan Smith didn't take a below-market deal even though it was a nice raise. Granted he's probably the best young LB in the game, but market comp is a real thing for people who are the best at what they do. This isn't a subjective take.
 
THWUGA said:
Same reason why a director of revenue doesn't take the CEO job with below-market comp.

And the other factors I mentioned are the reasons why a board of directors for a bottom-quartile company looking for a new CEO, if they aim to be a top-quartile company, may have very good reasons to target someone more proven, with a higher floor and ceiling, at double the current compensation.

Maybe Key thinks $2.0MM is market comp for him and I'm wrong. Maybe he will accept far less than market specifically because it's Georgia Tech -- he's already accepted a little less than market before for the same reason. Thought we can debate the merits of that on Tech's side, because I think we've seen repeatedly what can happen when you place too big an emphasis on Tech connections. I'm not an expert in college football head coaching. But generally this is how it works in the real world, and in football. Go ahead and lay out upper half P5 jobs and how that works with head coaches changing teams, and assistants moving up to head coach ranks.

Hell, it happens in pro football player comp. Look at why Roquan Smith didn't take a below-market deal even though it was a nice raise. Granted he's probably the best young LB in the game, but market comp is a real thing for people who are the best at what they do. This isn't a subjective take.
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I think companies get really stupid when it comes to CEOs. There are a tiny number of CEOs that are truly elite and will make a difference such that their premium salary is worth every penny. But in most cases you could randomly choose from your non-quota executives and the company wouldn't know the difference. I've seen a lot of really expensive CEOs make some really dumb decisions.

The risk with a coordinator is astronomical. It is much lower with BOB because he has been a HC obviously.

Finally, if he is holding out for a $4M opportunity then fine, move to the next candidate. Let him hold out making ~$1M. Good luck to him.
 
andrew said:
I really doubt that. Under the contract you outlined, the coach could win a conference title and eleven games each year his first three years and he would still be the lowest paid coach in the conference. That changes with a a national title but even Saban doesn't win a natty every year...
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Don't doubt it, research is below. If a coach wins out in year 1-3 he's pulling in 4.2 mil plus whatever endorsements the Atlanta area has to offer. Now I'm gonna assume Atlanta can offer better endorsement deals than the entire state of Alabama because logic, however I can't quantify.

If coach is a big winner, he can look forward to handsome pay bumps that reward winning for many years to come. If he is a winner that keeps the fans content, he still gets quality bumps and bonuses all the way up to year 10+ which has a guaranteed 8 mil and a potential of 15 million/yr payout.

In the meantime, if winning coach decides to leave for another job at any point, good luck to him at least we didn't do something stupid like guarantee him 3mil a year for 3 wins a year over half a decade.

If he sucks and doesn't win, I don't care what he is getting paid because it should be 0 and we should be able to get rid of him without penalty.

Just so I make sure I'm not pulling numbers outta my ass, the following are Saban's figures in his Alabama tenure.

Year Scheduled School Pay Actual School Pay Other Total
2021 $9,500,000 $9,500,000 $253,221 $9,753,221
2020 $9,100,000 $9,100,000 $200,000 $9,300,000
2019 $8,707,000 $8,707,000 $150,000 $8,857,000
2018 $8,307,000 $8,307,000 $0 $8,307,000
2017 $11,132,000 $11,132,000 $0 $11,132,000
2016 $6,939,395 $6,939,395 $0 $6,939,395
2015 $6,932,395 $6,932,395 $155,086 $7,087,481
2014 $6,950,203 $6,950,203 $209,984 $7,160,187
2013 $5,395,852 $5,395,852 $150,000 $5,545,852
2012 $5,316,667 $5,316,667 $160,071 $5,476,738
2011 $4,683,333 $4,683,333 $150,000 $4,833,333
2010 $5,166,666 $5,166,666 $830,683 $5,997,349
2009 $225,000 $225,000 $3,675,000 $3,900,000
2007 $225,000

And the salaries of all acc coaches for 2022:

businessofcollegesports.com

College Football Coaching Salaries: Atlantic Coast Conference

Breakdown of college football coaching salaries for the Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC).
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Seems pretty damn reasonable, scratch that, the pinnacle of reasonable to me.


Diseqc said:
King of the dumbasses
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Yes I inadvertently put Kelly (who was highly recruited for the UT job) in the place of Sark. My point is still the same and I have yet to see your dumbass contribute an original thought to this board in quite awhile. Since I am apparently your King, just sit there quietly until I call you to bring your mother over for breeding.

And before any other paint chip chewers chime in, these numbers aren't set in stone, this is about pay structure.
 
WracerX said:
Tech is not without risk. BOB might decide another year at bama will net him a higher paying less risky SEC or B1G job. If oil prices peak enough, TAM might bring him on.

He would be a bigger name candidate right now if the bama defense could shave off a fg per game or if their ST could hit an extra fg per game.
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In my opinion, BOB has the best player in college football covering up for the fact that he's a öööö OC. He didn't used to be, but he is now.
 
THWUGA said:
Same reason why a director of revenue doesn't take the CEO job with below-market comp.

And the other factors I mentioned are the reasons why a board of directors for a bottom-quartile company looking for a new CEO, if they aim to be a top-quartile company, may have very good reasons to target someone more proven, with a higher floor and ceiling, at double the current compensation.

Maybe Key thinks $2.0MM is market comp for him and I'm wrong. Maybe he will accept far less than market specifically because it's Georgia Tech -- he's already accepted a little less than market before for the same reason. Thought we can debate the merits of that on Tech's side, because I think we've seen repeatedly what can happen when you place too big an emphasis on Tech connections. I'm not an expert in college football head coaching. But generally this is how it works in the real world, and in football. Go ahead and lay out upper half P5 jobs and how that works with head coaches changing teams, and assistants moving up to head coach ranks.

Hell, it happens in pro football player comp. Look at why Roquan Smith didn't take a below-market deal even though it was a nice raise. Granted he's probably the best young LB in the game, but market comp is a real thing for people who are the best at what they do. This isn't a subjective take.
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Key wouldn't be accepting a "less than market comp" because of school connections, he'd be accepting it because no one will pay him equal or more than that as an OL coach somewhere and no one would hire him as a head coach elsewhere either right now. He very well might not accept it, but all that means is he isn't getting the job or the larger salary than he could otherwise get. I'm also pretty sure we were paying him a fairly large number for a OL coach, but dont have time right now to look at what other ones make.
 
GTLiebs said:
Key wouldn't be accepting a "less than market comp" because of school connections, he'd be accepting it because no one will pay him equal or more than that as an OL coach somewhere and no one would hire him as a head coach elsewhere either right now. He very well might not accept it, but all that means is he isn't getting the job or the larger salary than he could otherwise get. I'm also pretty sure we were paying him a fairly large number for a OL coach, but dont have time right now to look at what other ones make.
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He turned down $700k at USC to stay at GT for $100k less. So facts say otherwise. On both accounts.
 
THWUGA said:
He turned down $700k at USC to stay at GT for $100k less. So facts say otherwise. On both accounts.
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Pretty sure he was betting he would get the interm HC job. That was probably worth the 100k risk. Go to USC and you are going to get much HC exposure.

Worst case right now he has shown he can steady the ship and has done a respectable job. It may not get him any P5 looks, but maybe a G5 look if someone moves on.
 
THWUGA said:
He turned down $700k at USC to stay at GT for $100k less. So facts say otherwise. On both accounts.
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I didn't mean he wouldn't in the way that he would never decide to; he could. I meant it wouldn't be the real reason it would be cheap, cause his opinion on Wanting to give a relationship discount should have no play in it being cheap. Him deciding he would not take a lower salary just because it is GT would not make the salary offer go up (unless we're stupid, which we could be) because it has no reason to be higher in the first place.

Have no idea what 2nd point you're talking about. Are you talking about the USC salary? The 100k salary increase is still less than the 1.5-2M we could offer as head coach; no one will offer Brent Key that much money to be an offensive line coach elsewhere. I don't think that would necessarily prove he isn't very well paid already for an offensive line coach; it would still depend on what average coaches are making at that position.
 
Nehru Jacket said:
Is there any kind of rule that the exact details of a coach’s contract has to be made public? My entire working career I never told anyone what I made. I always thought that it was nobodies business but mine and the people paying me.
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We are a public University. So yes, it is public information.
 
OlearyLookAlike said:
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Buzz_404 said:
Hire Jamey Chadwell and give him 4 years 16 mil, 4 mil guaranteed per year
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Chadwell won games. But I don’t like a guy that either doesn’t understand or can’t teach defense. Sooner or later that’s gonna catch up to you. We know that from years of personal experience. I’m glad we didn’t throw millions of dollars at him. He may turn out to be another BL for all you know.
 
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