A Talk with Campus Leaders

ThisIsAtlanta said:
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says one of the greediest rich people of all time
 
GT1992 said:
You need to get real. The impact that this new program has on football will be minimal. The classes will be cyptomcat's and TIA's doing geeky statistical analysis, not a bunch of jocks. How many recruits are really going to come to GT because of this degree instead of a Management degree? It will be just as difficult by the time we nerd it up. We aren't changing entrance requirements, so we're still not getting the idiots that Georgia and Alabama rely on. We're still in the ACC, not the SEC, so it is seen as a more difficult path to the NFL.

This will not be Parks and Rec. We're a real school and it will be a practical curriculum with real work required to work for a degree. Something that is not attractive to many of the top athletes.
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Cool assumptions, bro. Note that I never said or implied it would be parks and recreation.

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ScionOfSouthland said:
Cool assumptions, bro. Note that I never said or implied it would be parks and recreation.

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"Tech finally does something to help make us more competitive"

What was that implying? Is it an easier major that will attract more football players or that more football players will choose Tech because we have this major? You're implying something and all I can do is surmise what it might be.
 
GT1992 said:
"Tech finally does something to help make us more competitive"

What was that implying? Is it an easier major that will attract more football players or that more football players will choose Tech because we have this major? You're implying something and all I can do is surmise what it might be.
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I am implying that this is the first time Tech has taken a shot at improving our position with recruits academically. Previous endeavors like an indoor facility were all within the athletic department. I'm not saying it will be easy; I rebuked those complaining it would dilute their degrees. I'm saying that it is progress.

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I think what will improve all of our "human conditions" is to beat the crap out of ugag in football.

And if anyone wants GT to be mit, well get your ass out of Georgia and go to Massachusetts.

Bye
 
texstinger said:
I think what will improve all of our "human conditions" is to beat the crap out of ugag in football.

And if anyone wants GT to be mit, well get your ass out of Georgia and go to Massachusetts.

Bye
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:biggthumpup::biggthumpup::biggthumpup:
 
aeromech said:
The point would be to get the word "Calculus" out of the title. The rumor is, schools recruit against us warning potential players if they go to GT they will have to take 'Calculus'. You can keep the syllabus the same and simply change the title. Then you can tell recruits they only have to take "Math for Management and Business" or whatever; even if it is the exact same course we currently call "Survey of Calculus".
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Years ago, Math 1711/1712 were called "Math for Management I" and "Math for Management II". Part of the problem is that IAC students can take these courses, too, so they're not just math for management. Secondly, Georgia Tech courses need to be transferable elsewhere, so you want a title that accurately reflects the content of the course.

QuadF said:
doesn't management not require calc?
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It's "fake calc" as the math people call it. No trig, no proofs, nothing rigorous. More of a touchy-feely sort of calculus.

midatlantech said:
Like it or not, the two schools aren't close to each other in nature:

MIT: 6400 Undergrad/6500 Grad
GT: 13000 Undergrad/ 6400 Grad (and undergrad is growing rapidly).
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The IRP website appears to be broken tonight, but I would not say that undergrad is growing rapidly right now.

GATechAE07 said:
As far as the nature of the schools, the vision of GT moving forward (as has been pointed out in other threads) is to move towards a 50/50 undergrad/grad split.
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QFT

GATechAE07 said:
From what I've heard, it has more to do with wanting to up the rigor and reduce the perception of "the M-Train" as compared to the school's other departments in order to boost the rankings. Doing so without adding another major would be a huge blow to athletics...
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I've been told that Terry Blum, when dean of management, went to Clough and told him that he could have a top 10 business school or a place to hide the football players, and asked him to choose which one he wanted. He dodged the question, unsurprisingly. I imagine the faculty over in Tech Square would like to raise the profile and rankings by making the program more rigorous.
 
ThisIsAtlanta said:
Nobody is saying this is going to be parks and rec where we can hide idiots. One of the primary complaints levied by the hill/BOR conspiracists is that we don't have enough variety of offerings independent of their level of difficulty. Some thought we were losing recruits who are both good and smart because we didn't offer majors they were interested in, and this is an attempt to remedy that perceived problem.

As effective or ineffective as it will inevitably prove, it's at least a signal from the hill that they are at least somewhat interested in a strong football program. So all the continued complaining about that is a little baffling.
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Thank you, my thoughts exactly.
 
ThisIsAtlanta said:
Nobody is saying this is going to be parks and rec where we can hide idiots. One of the primary complaints levied by the hill/BOR conspiracists is that we don't have enough variety of offerings independent of their level of difficulty. Some thought we were losing recruits who are both good and smart because we didn't offer majors they were interested in, and this is an attempt to remedy that perceived problem.

As effective or ineffective as it will inevitably prove, it's at least a signal from the hill that they are at least somewhat interested in a strong football program. So all the continued complaining about that is a little baffling.
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Yeah, I heard that Jarvis Jones was really thinking about coming here but he had his heart set on majoring in Child and Family Services and we just didn't offer that, so U[sic]GA it was.

Give me a break. The recipe for a strong football program is very easy: easier majors. The majority of four and five star recruits don't give a öööö what they're learning about, and the ones who do have their needs satisfied very well with our business degree. If you are looking for a real degree but want flexibility in your career, our undergrad business program is a fantastic choice and a very easy sell.

The number of recruits who:

A) Care about academics and
B) Want to do something as a career that they can't do with a top 25 business degree from a nationally respected school

has to be incredibly small.

This is more of a signal from the Hill that they're willing to pay lip service to people who want them to focus on football than it is an actual attempt at solving the problem. Unless, that is, they're going to remove the calculus requirement from this major and deliberately ensure it doesn't evolve into a top program.

Personally, I think we're looking at the latter. Two birds with one stone: they'll have a joke major to store athletes in and they can improve the business program unfettered. I just hope they actually still hold classes in this major ten years from now. If Julius Peppers's kid ever enrolls in it, that'll be the first red flag.
 
Instead of focusing on recruiting Georgia, perhaps the coaching staff needs to expand our reach and focus on a national recruiting plan. There are not enough smart kids down here that can play, yet we continue to try to go that route. Last 4 classed (including this one, we have signed 42 of 74 players from Georgia. Only 9 of those 74 come from a state that does not border GA. Rather than bitching about not offering 'Basketweaving' majors, the coaching staff needs to get out on the road and recruit more nationally.

Bitching and moaning about not crafting up worthless majors to cater to 20 incoming students a year is stupid.

Focus on what we can change rather than what we cannot change.
 
ND_jacket said:
I've been told that Terry Blum, when dean of management, went to Clough and told him that he could have a top 10 business school or a place to hide the football players, and asked him to choose which one he wanted. He dodged the question, unsurprisingly. I imagine the faculty over in Tech Square would like to raise the profile and rankings by making the program more rigorous.
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Business schools aren't ranked by their undergraduate programs. The reputation takes a hit because we make fun of them with the m-train references, but that's slight and it's really about all of the influence the undergrads have on the rankings.
 
andrew said:
Yeah, I heard that Jarvis Jones was really thinking about coming here but he had his heart set on majoring in Child and Family Services and we just didn't offer that, so U[sic]GA it was.

Give me a break. The recipe for a strong football program is very easy: easier majors. The majority of four and five star recruits don't give a öööö what they're learning about, and the ones who do have their needs satisfied very well with our business degree. If you are looking for a real degree but want flexibility in your career, our undergrad business program is a fantastic choice and a very easy sell.

The number of recruits who:

A) Care about academics and
B) Want to do something as a career that they can't do with a top 25 business degree from a nationally respected school

has to be incredibly small.

This is more of a signal from the Hill that they're willing to pay lip service to people who want them to focus on football than it is an actual attempt at solving the problem. Unless, that is, they're going to remove the calculus requirement from this major and deliberately ensure it doesn't evolve into a top program.

Personally, I think we're looking at the latter. Two birds with one stone: they'll have a joke major to store athletes in and they can improve the business program unfettered. I just hope they actually still hold classes in this major ten years from now. If Julius Peppers's kid ever enrolls in it, that'll be the first red flag.
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I say WTTE "This is a signal we aren't completely disregarding football, the Hill is hearing some of our complaints" and you hear me say WTTE "The hill wants to be a football factory now, this will solve all our recruiting problems and we will get 5* recruits". I even said "This is not about hiding idiots" in the first sentence of that post, and you counter with a guy who's Scout recruiting profile said "Jones says he wants to major in education and reports a 2.9 core GPA and an 18 ACT, which he plans to retake." (While maybe that's smart for a UGAy player, Jarvis Jones is an idiot, FYI)

Is this one of those things where you guys confuse me with atlanta jacket and then attack all my posts as if I'm a socialist liberal Obama lover? Your response doesn't really make sense to me in any ordinary context.
 
ThisIsAtlanta said:
I say WTTE "This is a signal we aren't completely disregarding football, the Hill is hearing some of our complaints" and you hear me say WTTE "The hill wants to be a football factory now, this will solve all our recruiting problems and we will get 5* recruits". I even said "This is not about hiding idiots" in the first sentence of that post, and you counter with a guy who's Scout recruiting profile said "Jones says he wants to major in education and reports a 2.9 core GPA and an 18 ACT, which he plans to retake." (While maybe that's smart for a UGAy player, Jarvis Jones is an idiot, FYI)

Is this one of those things where you guys confuse me with atlanta jacket and then attack all my posts as if I'm a socialist liberal Obama lover? Your response doesn't really make sense to me in any ordinary context.
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Read my second to last paragraph. I think there are two possibilities:

1 this is nothing more than lip service to placate vocal critics, not a sign that the hill really cares about sports at all or is honestly responding to complaints.

2 this IS about hiding idiots.

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gtphd said:
Business schools aren't ranked by their undergraduate programs. The reputation takes a hit because we make fun of them with the m-train references, but that's slight and it's really about all of the influence the undergrads have on the rankings.
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The reputation is also impacted by the caliber of the faculty, and although you can probably recruit a couple of faculty and guarantee them that they'll never have to teach an undergraduate class, it's not the majority of your faculty. Unsurprisingly, a lot of faculty don't want to be part of a department where the university views the department's role as being a place to educate athletes. This doesn't just apply to business; it's part of the reason Applied Physiology has steadfastly avoided creating any undergraduate programs that could be a place the administration might try to put athletes.
 
andrew said:
Yeah, I heard that Jarvis Jones was really thinking about coming here but he had his heart set on majoring in Child and Family Services and we just didn't offer that, so U[sic]GA it was.

Give me a break. The recipe for a strong football program is very easy: easier majors. The majority of four and five star recruits don't give a öööö what they're learning about, and the ones who do have their needs satisfied very well with our business degree. If you are looking for a real degree but want flexibility in your career, our undergrad business program is a fantastic choice and a very easy sell.

The number of recruits who:

A) Care about academics and
B) Want to do something as a career that they can't do with a top 25 business degree from a nationally respected school

has to be incredibly small.

This is more of a signal from the Hill that they're willing to pay lip service to people who want them to focus on football than it is an actual attempt at solving the problem. Unless, that is, they're going to remove the calculus requirement from this major and deliberately ensure it doesn't evolve into a top program.

Personally, I think we're looking at the latter. Two birds with one stone: they'll have a joke major to store athletes in and they can improve the business program unfettered. I just hope they actually still hold classes in this major ten years from now. If Julius Peppers's kid ever enrolls in it, that'll be the first red flag.
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Believe Jarvis Jones went to USCw
 
andrew said:
Read my second to last paragraph. I think there are two possibilities:

1 this is nothing more than lip service to placate vocal critics, not a sign that the hill really cares about sports at all or is honestly responding to complaints.

2 this IS about hiding idiots.

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Aren't those two possibilities antiparticles of eachother? You distrust the administration enough to be certain that they have ulterior motives but you're not sure whether those motives are to improve the school at the expense of the football program or to improve the football program at the expense of the school?

I am more inclined to believe that this is a genuine attempt to either improve the school without harming the football program or improve the football program without harming the school, whether or not it is a good plan or will be effective in the long run. That doesn't require me to assume anyone is plotting to destroy something I love and is far more likely in any other event anyways.
 
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