A thread about ESPN/Disney and the future of College Football broadcasting

andrew said:
For something that's not intended as an insult you're certainly saying a lot of insulting things about a group of people you admitted up front you know "practically nothing about."
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Where is the insult? That I observe a lot of fat, unhealthy, unathletic young people who appear to have very little interest in traditional physical sports? I suppose the truth in plain language hurts too much and needs to be sugar coated.

How's this, "I see a lot of diversely interested, calorically gifted young people bravely moving beyond the patriarchal influence of traditional physical sports that are laden with toxic masculinity."

Is that language less insulting for you?

I was simply trying to graciously differentiate between individual contrarian cases found in this thread and my general observations so as not to have anyone think that I do not know there are exceptions and to not be offended for their favorite gamer, millennial or gen-Z'er (son, daughter, self).

I may not know much about younger generations but I've seen a lot of them in person and they are inordinately fat, unhealthy with seemingly little to no interest in traditional physical sports. Doesn't bode well for growing the popularity of those sports. If that's an insult then you may be a tad too sensitive. I guess some people just live to be insulted.
 
andrew said:
For something that's not intended as an insult you're certainly saying a lot of insulting things about a group of people you admitted up front you know "practically nothing about."
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Here you go:
"Study Shows Millennials’ Health Declines Sharply After Age 27"
www.healthline.com

Millennials Health Worse Than Gen X

Researchers say obesity, high blood pressure, and diabetes are making millennials less healthy than generation X.
www.healthline.com www.healthline.com

"Millennials on Track to be Most Obese Generation in History"
www.healthline.com

Healthline Nutrition — Weight Management

No matter what your goals are, we've got the science-backed support, tools, and guides to help you meet them.
www.healthline.com www.healthline.com

You don't have to look for long to find the data. Young people are fatter, more sedentary, have worse overall health and have less interest in physical sports than previous generations. You can add in the fact that almost all of them have screen addiction to their phones/computers and spend most of their times indoors. You know, all that "insulting" stuff I said earlier.

This doesn't even take into consideration that health disaster from the events of 2020 up until now and what the current and long term effects of this will be.
 
Buzzilla said:
Where is the insult? That I observe a lot of fat, unhealthy, unathletic young people who appear to have very little interest in traditional physical sports? I suppose the truth in plain language hurts too much and needs to be sugar coated.

How's this, "I see a lot of diversely interested, calorically gifted young people bravely moving beyond the patriarchal influence of traditional physical sports that are laden with toxic masculinity."

Is that language less insulting for you?

I was simply trying to graciously differentiate between individual contrarian cases found in this thread and my general observations so as not to have anyone think that I do not know there are exceptions and to not be offended for their favorite gamer, millennial or gen-Z'er (son, daughter, self).

I may not know much about younger generations but I've seen a lot of them in person and they are inordinately fat, unhealthy with seemingly little to no interest in traditional physical sports. Doesn't bode well for growing the popularity of those sports. If that's an insult then you may be a tad too sensitive. I guess some people just live to be insulted.
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I think more people are out of shape these days particularly the younger generation. We spoiled them all sharing our blessings (timing in life).

It’s kind of interesting because more people are in shape now too.
 
Buzzilla said:
Here you go:
"Study Shows Millennials’ Health Declines Sharply After Age 27"
www.healthline.com

Millennials Health Worse Than Gen X

Researchers say obesity, high blood pressure, and diabetes are making millennials less healthy than generation X.
www.healthline.com www.healthline.com

"Millennials on Track to be Most Obese Generation in History"
www.healthline.com

Healthline Nutrition — Weight Management

No matter what your goals are, we've got the science-backed support, tools, and guides to help you meet them.
www.healthline.com www.healthline.com

You don't have to look for long to find the data. Young people are fatter, more sedentary, have worse overall health and have less interest in physical sports than previous generations. You can add in the fact that almost all of them have screen addiction to their phones/computers and spend most of their times indoors. You know, all that "insulting" stuff I said earlier.

This doesn't even take into consideration that health disaster from the events of 2020 up until now and what the current and long term effects of this will be.
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Here is what your link says about the average millenial:

Based on the insurer’s optimal health index of 100, the study found that the average score for millennials was about 95.
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I certainly don't deny that there are millenials with problems, or even that as a whole we are less healthy than generation X. But you seem to contend that millenials are generally "fat, unhealthy, unathletic young people"; "inordinately fat, unhealthy"; and "grossly overweight or under nourished, generally weak in appearance". (No insult intended, of course.)

You say that healthy, active millenials are "exceptions" and "individual contrarian cases".

And to prove all of that, you supply a link that says the average millenial has a health score of 95 out of 100.

Again, I'm not saying that previous generations weren't healthier, or that there aren't millenials with problems. But you seem to have a very misinformed view of millenials' health as a whole, as evidenced by your own link.
 
andrew said:
Again, I'm not saying that previous generations weren't healthier, or that there aren't millenials with problems.
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These are the facts of what I see. The articles reinforce what I see. An inordinate number of overweight, under nourished, unhealthy, weak looking young people.

That you consider what I see, and presumably the language I use to describe it, as "insulting" is unfortunate. This appears to be what you have the biggest issue with. It is a shame that language has to be so heavily sugar coated so as not to offend or "insult" the easily offended and insulted. It would seem that we could all use a little less sugar coating, in our language and our nutrition.

The point remains that it isn't a good sign for the future popularity of traditional athletic sports, and more importantly, the long term health of these younger people. Glad to hear there are plenty of exceptions to what I see.
 
Buzzilla said:
I'm not a gamer and don't know much about the "e-sports" culture but I do know that live streaming game play of all sorts is turning into big money. The gaming and live streaming demographic is very sought after by advertisers and traditional pro sports leagues including the NFL which has been getting exposure on Amazon's Twitch. Amazon's deal with the NFL ties in here.

I would posit that the future of "sports" entertainment is likely coming from the realm of electronic based competition. I don't have kids and know practically nothing about the millennial and younger generations, but I do see plenty of them and they mostly appear like room dwellers spending most of their waking hours in front of some form of computer screen. It seems like they are drifting off deeper and deeper into this alternate electronic reality. Cue the Black Mirror episode.

Social commentary aside about the terrifying implications of all this, it seems like just another avenue of erosion in the future of traditional pro sports league market share for the likes of the NFL and sadly college football which by all practical measures is now a "pro sport". Most of these gamers and e-sports fans couldn't care less about traditional recreational sports involving some kind of "ball". In fact, most of them have an aversion to traditional sports and the culture around it. They typically aren't athletic types.

As these new "e-sports" categories rise, it's also pretty obvious that traditional media companies are on the way out and fading fast. Good riddance for the most part. Things happen much faster than they use to. It might be shocking how quickly the changes come. The main players for securing content broadcast rights and developing stand alone content are the mega tech corps of Apple, Amazon, Alphabet (google/YT) and OG Netflix. I'm surprised Facebook hasn't jumped in but they are investing elsewhere with mostly crap results.

This marriage of corporate monopolistic technology, user engagement and content ownership and delivery is going well beyond creepy, especially given their government interlacing and the collective penchant for the Orwellian.

I would say traditional pro sports have about 10 years left at the pinnacle of "sports entertainment" content. I think you will see steady erosion, especially given the broader cultural upheaval going on. Traditional sports use to be a collective social touchstone we could all enjoy and participate in that would create and maintain cultural connection for us all. Those days are now gone and drifting further away at an accelerating rate.

I guess as the saying goes, all good things must come to an end. Enjoy it while it lasts.
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Bringing the topic back, both MLB and Microsoft made big plays for Twitch’s customer base and both failed miserably. I mean lost Big Money! Twitch is no secret and yes everyone wants in.
It will be interesting to see what happens with ESPN. Maybe the ACC was incredibly smart after all?
 
midatlantech said:
What are they into these days?
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They sold off most of their media properties and have been steathily investing in eSports. They even own a team.
That is one of their next frontiers, along with healthcare.
They're trying to replicate their success in digitizing the auto industry and see eSports as a larger $$ opportunity than "real" sports.
 
midatlantech said:
Bringing the topic back, both MLB and Microsoft made big plays for Twitch’s customer base and both failed miserably. I mean lost Big Money! Twitch is no secret and yes everyone wants in.
It will be interesting to see what happens with ESPN. Maybe the ACC was incredibly smart after all?
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I didn't know about that the MLB and Microsofts efforts. I see where Microsoft had a Twitch clone called Mixer that shut down about 2-3 years ago. Couldn't find what play MLB made. I see they have some kind of presence on Twitch now.

Streaming and user created content in gaming and across all categories is the future of media. The media kings of the past and present, including traditional pro sports leagues may or may not know how precarious their position on the throne is. Like I said, things move very quickly these days. I would speculate that the younger demographic quite likely is already largely out of reach to the current media and entertainment kings.

I think the ACC got a fair deal at the time it was made. The biggest concern is the length of time of the contract which now looks like there is a lot more money that could've been made with a shorter deal and renegotiation. It will be hard to say ultimately if it's a good or bad given how bad things may actually be at Disney/ESPN which has many BILLIONS of dollars tied up in CFB contracts with various conferences.

The fact that Disney's leadership is floating some pretty alarming trial balloons about selling off all of it's TV assets and looking for "strategic partners" should make everyone take notice. What those CFB conference TV contract deals with ESPN say are pretty damn important if it gets dumped by a sinking Disney.

If they can't find a "strategic partner" to help them pay those BILLIONS in CFB contracts, who is going to step in and buy ESPN from Disney? Or maybe even buy Disney itself in its entirety. Amazon? YouTube/Google? Apple? Netflix? The new usual suspects I guess.

It is also interesting that 1) the PAC-12 still doesn't have a deal and 2) no news that BIG 10 tv deal has actually been officially signed and in place.

All of this going on while economic conditions deteriorate, housing market declines, global and domestic chaos and uncertainty abound, and a very likely recession looms.

We'll see.
 
"ESPN is Getting DESPERATE..."


"....the only reason that either of those leagues (the NBA or NFL) would do a partnership with ESPN is because they're actually starting to panic and recognize that the number of people that are willing to pay for their product is actually not enough to support the underlying economics of their product. That is potentially a monster issue for the NBA, Major League Baseball, NHL, and to a lesser extent the NFL .... This is a pretty strong sign that Disney is desperate to try to figure out a profitable path forward for ESPN and there might not be one at all. ESPN is effectively trying to sell itself to the NFL and the NBA. Disney is trying to get out of what is a rapidly collapsing business before the value of ESPN goes even lower.

The video above pretty much summarizes what I've been saying. This will have downstream implications to all televised sports particularly college football.
 
Buzzilla said:
"ESPN is Getting DESPERATE..."


"....the only reason that either of those leagues (the NBA or NFL) would do a partnership with ESPN is because they're actually starting to panic and recognize that the number of people that are willing to pay for their product is actually not enough to support the underlying economics of their product. That is potentially a monster issue for the NBA, Major League Baseball, NHL, and to a lesser extent the NFL .... This is a pretty strong sign that Disney is desperate to try to figure out a profitable path forward for ESPN and there might not be one at all. ESPN is effectively trying to sell itself to the NFL and the NBA. Disney is trying to get out of what is a rapidly collapsing business before the value of ESPN goes even lower.

The video above pretty much summarizes what I've been saying. This will have downstream implications to all televised sports particularly college football.
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I hope espn goes bankrupt.
 


A lot of smoke around Apple considering buying ESPN from Disney.
 
Apple isn't stupid. They aren't buying this sinking dumpster fire.

 
We’ve been saying this for weeks now. I’m not sure the business model that is supporting these huge conference contracts can fly long term.
 
Disney is hoping to sale ESPN to AMAZON. Disney wants to share the streaming of ESPN with AMAZON. Amazon (in my opinion) will let ESPN drag down Disney and wait for DIS to do a fire sale. DIS (stock symbol) has seen better days.
 
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