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Another scathing AJC article about Kirby Smart, "the state's most powerful politician}"


As Georgia football’s problems build, Kirby Smart escapes accountability
Georgia coach Kirby Smart greets fans as players and staff arrive during Dawgs Walk before the G-Day game at Sanford Stadium, Saturday, April 15, 2023, in Athens. (Hyosub Shin / Hyosub.Shin@ajc.com)

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Credit: HYOSUB SHIN / AJC
MIKE CHECK BLOG
By Michael Cunningham
56 minutes ago

You can see the off-field problems escalating for Georgia’s football program.
Four years ago, it was bar fights, minor traffic violations and possession of marijuana. Then it was habitual speeding and reckless driving by players, peaking with a street race that resulted in the death of two people in January. Now it’s 11 cases of football players remaining with the team after women reported violent encounters with them and UGA football siding with an accused player over an alleged victim who worked for the program.

Those are the latest revelations from the AJC’s deep and detailed reporting on problems in and around UGA football. At the same time those issues are are increasing, Kirby Smart’s accountability is decreasing.

Four years ago, the Bulldogs coach blamed himself for the string of arrests by his players. Now Smart says nothing about his own culpability. He offers no transparency about internal discipline, which hasn’t include much missed game time by players and clearly isn’t working.
Smart, the state’s highest-paid public employee, seems annoyed that anyone would expect him to give details about the steps he’s taking to get his program under control. Athletic director Josh Brooks nods along in agreement. It seems that no else in power at UGA is going to hold Smart accountable for failing to do an important part of his job.

Each time Brooks and UGA president Jere Morehead are asked about the arrests of UGA football players, they say they trust Smart to do the right thing. Meanwhile, the wrong things keep happening in Smart’s program. It’s easy to see why, unlike in 2019, Smart doesn’t feel much pressure to do anything about it or even explain himself.

Back then, he’d just come off a three-loss season. That was disappointing because the Bulldogs had advanced to the College Football Playoff in the season before. Being introspective about player misbehavior was a way for Smart to reduce some of the heat.
There is no such incentive for Smart to take responsibility for his program’s off-field problems now. He’s won back-to-back national championships. College football is king here, which means the state is Smart’s kingdom. He’s left to deal as he pleases with some of his program’s issues.

The only thing that could threaten Smart’s standing is if he loses too many football games. We already know how a culture of winning above all else turns out in big-time college athletics. Does Georgia want to end up like Penn State, Baylor, Michigan State or other schools where systemic issues with sports programs were swept under the rug?
Eventually, those problems erupted into huge scandals of abuse and cover-ups that tarnished the reputations of universities. That can happen when an institution protects prominent sports programs at all costs. That’s the path UGA is on now.
Athens police are doing their part to protect the program, too. I remember how Georgia supporters complained when players on Mark Richt’s teams frequently were arrested. They alleged that Athens police had it in for the Bulldogs. That always was an absurd view.
Now we have extensive evidence that Athens police go easy on their “beloved Bulldogs.” Those are words of a detective during a so-called interrogation of UGA recruit (and now player) Jamaal Jarrett after a woman accused him of sexual assault last year. The session looked more like an attempt to help Jarrett than an investigation of a crime allegedly committed by him.
Of course, UGA football’s fixer, Bryan Gantt, was there when Jarrett was questioned. Police have allowed Gantt extraordinary access when Smart’s players are accused of crimes.
I’m all for due process. UGA athletics should protect the rights of athletes who face legal jeopardy. It’s not necessarily nefarious for Gantt to help players. I do wish that all people had the same assistance, and not just players who are making millions of dollars for the football program that pays them no salary.
But it’s improper and immoral if Gantt’s help goes beyond counseling players and he uses the power granted to him by Smart to influence investigations or oppose accusers. The AJC’s reporting shows that Gantt did both things when police arrested UGA linebacker Adam Anderson in 2021.
A woman who worked at the football office accused Anderson of sexually assaulting her while she was unconscious. The accuser watched as Gantt and eight UGA players advocated for Anderson’s release at a bond hearing. She told the AJC that she felt intimidated when Gantt stared at her.
That courtroom scene had nothing to do with due process. It was more like a UGA football production to intimidate the accuser. So far, no one associated with UGA has said it was wrong. All we get from UGA are carefully worded statements that largely avoid answering any details revealed by the AJC’s reporting.
Anderson’s defense attorney told the judge that he’d gotten Smart’s permission to have the players attend the hearing. UGA athletics denied that Smart “instructed or authorized” the players to go. Are we supposed to believe that a lawyer lied to the judge about the circumstances? Is it plausible that Smart told his players not to attend the hearing, but they did so anyway?
I wanted to ask Smart, Brooks and Gantt those questions and others. A UGA athletics spokesman said they were either out of town or unavailable to comment. Don’t expect them to talk anytime soon. UGA has taken the position that no one needs to answer questions about the ugly things happening in Smart’s program.
In some ways, it’s hard to blame Smart for shrugging off public accountability. Smart has financial incentive to resist stronger oversight of his program. He needs players to be eligible to play and help him win games to earn his salary, which is more than $10 million in 2023.
UGA guidelines call for automatic suspensions of athletes for certain infractions and allegations. Smart doesn’t want more added. It’s in his interest to send Gantt to help players when they are accused of crimes, including sexual assault.
Smart’s bosses could show more backbone in overseeing the football program. But, in some ways, it’s also hard to blame Brooks and Morehead for staying hands off. Going against Smart means going against the state’s most powerful politician. That isn’t good for the job security of employees at a public university.
If you don’t believe me about Smart’s political power, remember how he made some (unsupported) claims to lawmakers in 2016 about the state’s public-records law hurting recruiting. Weeks later, the Legislature voted for less government transparency. And that was before Smart had even coached a game for the Bulldogs.
It was a low moment that made our state look like a backwater that loves football more than accountability for public officials. It’s still looking that way, as no one at UGA seems inclined to do anything about the many arrests for football players. There’s no accountability for Smart’s failure to handle one of the main requirements of his job.
It’s probably going to take a lawsuit for that to happen. One already has been filed by the father of UGA player Devin Willock, who was killed in the Jan. 15 crash along with recruiting analyst Chandler LeCroy. I’m sure more litigation is coming.
Maybe even that won’t be enough to force Smart and UGA to clean up their act. The school might decide that paying out lawsuits is a sound investment to protect the money and prestige generated by the football program, no matter who gets hurt.
 
Another scathing AJC article about Kirby Smart, "the state's most powerful politician}"


As Georgia football’s problems build, Kirby Smart escapes accountability
Georgia coach Kirby Smart greets fans as players and staff arrive during Dawgs Walk before the G-Day game at Sanford Stadium, Saturday, April 15, 2023, in Athens. (Hyosub Shin / Hyosub.Shin@ajc.com)

Caption
Credit: HYOSUB SHIN / AJC
MIKE CHECK BLOG
By Michael Cunningham
56 minutes ago

You can see the off-field problems escalating for Georgia’s football program.
Four years ago, it was bar fights, minor traffic violations and possession of marijuana. Then it was habitual speeding and reckless driving by players, peaking with a street race that resulted in the death of two people in January. Now it’s 11 cases of football players remaining with the team after women reported violent encounters with them and UGA football siding with an accused player over an alleged victim who worked for the program.

Those are the latest revelations from the AJC’s deep and detailed reporting on problems in and around UGA football. At the same time those issues are are increasing, Kirby Smart’s accountability is decreasing.

Four years ago, the Bulldogs coach blamed himself for the string of arrests by his players. Now Smart says nothing about his own culpability. He offers no transparency about internal discipline, which hasn’t include much missed game time by players and clearly isn’t working.
Smart, the state’s highest-paid public employee, seems annoyed that anyone would expect him to give details about the steps he’s taking to get his program under control. Athletic director Josh Brooks nods along in agreement. It seems that no else in power at UGA is going to hold Smart accountable for failing to do an important part of his job.

Each time Brooks and UGA president Jere Morehead are asked about the arrests of UGA football players, they say they trust Smart to do the right thing. Meanwhile, the wrong things keep happening in Smart’s program. It’s easy to see why, unlike in 2019, Smart doesn’t feel much pressure to do anything about it or even explain himself.

Back then, he’d just come off a three-loss season. That was disappointing because the Bulldogs had advanced to the College Football Playoff in the season before. Being introspective about player misbehavior was a way for Smart to reduce some of the heat.
There is no such incentive for Smart to take responsibility for his program’s off-field problems now. He’s won back-to-back national championships. College football is king here, which means the state is Smart’s kingdom. He’s left to deal as he pleases with some of his program’s issues.

The only thing that could threaten Smart’s standing is if he loses too many football games. We already know how a culture of winning above all else turns out in big-time college athletics. Does Georgia want to end up like Penn State, Baylor, Michigan State or other schools where systemic issues with sports programs were swept under the rug?
Eventually, those problems erupted into huge scandals of abuse and cover-ups that tarnished the reputations of universities. That can happen when an institution protects prominent sports programs at all costs. That’s the path UGA is on now.
Athens police are doing their part to protect the program, too. I remember how Georgia supporters complained when players on Mark Richt’s teams frequently were arrested. They alleged that Athens police had it in for the Bulldogs. That always was an absurd view.
Now we have extensive evidence that Athens police go easy on their “beloved Bulldogs.” Those are words of a detective during a so-called interrogation of UGA recruit (and now player) Jamaal Jarrett after a woman accused him of sexual assault last year. The session looked more like an attempt to help Jarrett than an investigation of a crime allegedly committed by him.
Of course, UGA football’s fixer, Bryan Gantt, was there when Jarrett was questioned. Police have allowed Gantt extraordinary access when Smart’s players are accused of crimes.
I’m all for due process. UGA athletics should protect the rights of athletes who face legal jeopardy. It’s not necessarily nefarious for Gantt to help players. I do wish that all people had the same assistance, and not just players who are making millions of dollars for the football program that pays them no salary.
But it’s improper and immoral if Gantt’s help goes beyond counseling players and he uses the power granted to him by Smart to influence investigations or oppose accusers. The AJC’s reporting shows that Gantt did both things when police arrested UGA linebacker Adam Anderson in 2021.
A woman who worked at the football office accused Anderson of sexually assaulting her while she was unconscious. The accuser watched as Gantt and eight UGA players advocated for Anderson’s release at a bond hearing. She told the AJC that she felt intimidated when Gantt stared at her.
That courtroom scene had nothing to do with due process. It was more like a UGA football production to intimidate the accuser. So far, no one associated with UGA has said it was wrong. All we get from UGA are carefully worded statements that largely avoid answering any details revealed by the AJC’s reporting.
Anderson’s defense attorney told the judge that he’d gotten Smart’s permission to have the players attend the hearing. UGA athletics denied that Smart “instructed or authorized” the players to go. Are we supposed to believe that a lawyer lied to the judge about the circumstances? Is it plausible that Smart told his players not to attend the hearing, but they did so anyway?
I wanted to ask Smart, Brooks and Gantt those questions and others. A UGA athletics spokesman said they were either out of town or unavailable to comment. Don’t expect them to talk anytime soon. UGA has taken the position that no one needs to answer questions about the ugly things happening in Smart’s program.
In some ways, it’s hard to blame Smart for shrugging off public accountability. Smart has financial incentive to resist stronger oversight of his program. He needs players to be eligible to play and help him win games to earn his salary, which is more than $10 million in 2023.
UGA guidelines call for automatic suspensions of athletes for certain infractions and allegations. Smart doesn’t want more added. It’s in his interest to send Gantt to help players when they are accused of crimes, including sexual assault.
Smart’s bosses could show more backbone in overseeing the football program. But, in some ways, it’s also hard to blame Brooks and Morehead for staying hands off. Going against Smart means going against the state’s most powerful politician. That isn’t good for the job security of employees at a public university.
If you don’t believe me about Smart’s political power, remember how he made some (unsupported) claims to lawmakers in 2016 about the state’s public-records law hurting recruiting. Weeks later, the Legislature voted for less government transparency. And that was before Smart had even coached a game for the Bulldogs.
It was a low moment that made our state look like a backwater that loves football more than accountability for public officials. It’s still looking that way, as no one at UGA seems inclined to do anything about the many arrests for football players. There’s no accountability for Smart’s failure to handle one of the main requirements of his job.
It’s probably going to take a lawsuit for that to happen. One already has been filed by the father of UGA player Devin Willock, who was killed in the Jan. 15 crash along with recruiting analyst Chandler LeCroy. I’m sure more litigation is coming.
Maybe even that won’t be enough to force Smart and UGA to clean up their act. The school might decide that paying out lawsuits is a sound investment to protect the money and prestige generated by the football program, no matter who gets hurt.

I love Cunningham. He doesn’t pull any punches… brings an NFL mindset to the college game. No coddling like most college writers.
 
Next thing that's going to happen is a Prince Shembo type incident. I hope you're reading this Kirby. Guess the death of someone else's daughter doesn't faze you, huh. Just like that other pondscum Brian Kelly. As long as you get to coach a kids game to a championship the real world doesn't matter.
 
I am repeatedly baffled when öööö like this goes down in programs. Like the coaching staff doesn’t have any daughters, sisters, wives, moms who could be a victim. And I’m sure the families of these victims are going effing nuts knowing their daughter was harmed and everyone is actively sweeping it under the rug. I hope to never know how they feel, but id be in prison for life or on death row.
 
Just checked the SEC Rant. It’s going about how I would have thought.

One poster will make a point against UGA followed by 5 UGA posters defending the football program and playing the Whatabout Game.

One idiot said the AJC was a liberal fish wrapper run by Tech grads.
 
The article really does nail it, and makes the point I’ve been making when this comes up with my Tech grad buddies — why would Kirby respond to any of this if there is zero pressure from the School administration for him to do so? They have happily sold out for football success. This seems unsustainable, or perhaps as a human being who also happens to despise uga, I hope it is unsustainable — an outside force will eventually have to intervene and hold them to account. But who is that outside force? It won’t be the powerless and hapless NCAA whose never held a powerhouse to the fire, it won’t be uga’s admin, it won’t be the Georgia lawmakers, and it won’t be Washington. Kirby knows he has it made and as long as it’s someone else’s daughter getting assaulted and not his family in the SUV next to football drivers driving wrecklessly, then it ain’t his problem.
 
The article really does nail it, and makes the point I’ve been making when this comes up with my Tech grad buddies — why would Kirby respond to any of this if there is zero pressure from the School administration for him to do so? They have happily sold out for football success. This seems unsustainable, or perhaps as a human being who also happens to despise uga, I hope it is unsustainable — an outside force will eventually have to intervene and hold them to account. But who is that outside force? It won’t be the powerless and hapless NCAA whose never held a powerhouse to the fire, it won’t be uga’s admin, it won’t be the Georgia lawmakers, and it won’t be Washington. Kirby knows he has it made and as long as it’s someone else’s daughter getting assaulted and not his family in the SUV next to football drivers driving wrecklessly, then it ain’t his problem.
This is just all emotion. You are being duped by a bunch of liberal do gooder reporters who always attack success. Obviously, they are focused on UGA because it’s a slow sports news cycle right now with only mid season baseball going on and because they are an easy successful target and hour away from the AJC office. Kirby is not responsible for what grown adults do any more than you should be held accountable for your neighbor or co worker getting drunk and killing someone. If you want to blame someone other than the person who actually committed the act then blame that persons parents. Kirby is a football coach and that’s all he his.
 
This is just all emotion. You are being duped by a bunch of liberal do gooder reporters who always attack success. Obviously, they are focused on UGA because it’s a slow sports news cycle right now with only mid season baseball going on and because they are an easy successful target and hour away from the AJC office. Kirby is not responsible for what grown adults do any more than you should be held accountable for your neighbor or co worker getting drunk and killing someone. If you want to blame someone other than the person who actually committed the act then blame that persons parents. Kirby is a football coach and that’s all he his.
You’re an idiot
 
This is just all emotion. You are being duped by a bunch of liberal do gooder reporters who always attack success. Obviously, they are focused on UGA because it’s a slow sports news cycle right now with only mid season baseball going on and because they are an easy successful target and hour away from the AJC office. Kirby is not responsible for what grown adults do any more than you should be held accountable for your neighbor or co worker getting drunk and killing someone. If you want to blame someone other than the person who actually committed the act then blame that persons parents. Kirby is a football coach and that’s all he his.
Pretty good rendition of their "not our problem, they're just jealous" defense. The flaw with it is Kirby is the leader of their team, and is responsible for the team. If you ran any organization and its members are out committing crimes at an outsize rate due to issues within that organization any community is going to object.
 
Pretty good rendition of their "not our problem, they're just jealous" defense. The flaw with it is Kirby is the leader of their team, and is responsible for the team. If you ran any organization and its members are out committing crimes at an outsize rate due to issues within that organization any community is going to object.
What community is objecting? A few reporters at the rag AJC? So now GT people hold the AJC in high esteem? No coach at any school is responsible for an adult player doing stupid things on their own time.
 
What community is objecting? A few reporters at the rag AJC? So now GT people hold the AJC in high esteem? No coach at any school is responsible for an adult player doing stupid things on their own time.


Ask Barry Switzer how that worked out for him
 
What community is objecting? A few reporters at the rag AJC? So now GT people hold the AJC in high esteem? No coach at any school is responsible for an adult player doing stupid things on their own time.
I'm pretty sure you are just trying to piss us off but they are 100% responsible for enforcing the rules and holding players accountable and not sweeping it under the rug and helping the players get away with it.
 
What community is objecting? A few reporters at the rag AJC? So now GT people hold the AJC in high esteem? No coach at any school is responsible for an adult player doing stupid things on their own time.
He is responsible for disciplining those players, and if he doesn't discipline them in meaningful ways, then he is complicit in the crimes.
 
Who is sweeping it under the rug? If it was under the rug we wouldn’t be talking about it and the AJC wouldn’t be writing articles about it.

As for how it worked out for Switzer, didn’t he take a multi million dollar job with an NFL team? Worked out pretty darn good if you ask him.

As for discipline and him being complicit, then why isn’t everyone held to that standard you think a football coach should be held too. Who hired the coach? Who hired the AD who hired the coach? Who hired the school President who hired the AD who hired the coach? Who appointed the BOR who hired the President, who hired the AD who hired the coach? Who voted for the Governor who appointed the BOR who hired the President who hired the AD who hired the coach.

I hate UGA as much as the next guy but y’all are just over the top and using the AJC as a reference point will lead you to look like a fool when they come after Key and Stoudamire and all of you will be blasting the AJC. These articles are nothing but to entertain the few subscribers they have left. Next thing they’ll be telling us that Kirby gets 2 scoops while everyone else only gets 1.

If you want Kirby gone then everyone needs to start beating his team on the field. Traffic violations and a few drunk college kids aren’t going to do it.
 
I am repeatedly baffled when öööö like this goes down in programs. Like the coaching staff doesn’t have any daughters, sisters, wives, moms who could be a victim. And I’m sure the families of these victims are going effing nuts knowing their daughter was harmed and everyone is actively sweeping it under the rug. I hope to never know how they feel, but id be in prison for life or on death row.
It’s worse than that. A lot of these people are willing to tolerate their daughters being on the receiving end of this abuse so long as it’s to the benefit of the uga football program.
 
Who is sweeping it under the rug? If it was under the rug we wouldn’t be talking about it and the AJC wouldn’t be writing articles about it.

As for how it worked out for Switzer, didn’t he take a multi million dollar job with an NFL team? Worked out pretty darn good if you ask him.

As for discipline and him being complicit, then why isn’t everyone held to that standard you think a football coach should be held too. Who hired the coach? Who hired the AD who hired the coach? Who hired the school President who hired the AD who hired the coach? Who appointed the BOR who hired the President, who hired the AD who hired the coach? Who voted for the Governor who appointed the BOR who hired the President who hired the AD who hired the coach.

I hate UGA as much as the next guy but y’all are just over the top and using the AJC as a reference point will lead you to look like a fool when they come after Key and Stoudamire and all of you will be blasting the AJC. These articles are nothing but to entertain the few subscribers they have left. Next thing they’ll be telling us that Kirby gets 2 scoops while everyone else only gets 1.

If you want Kirby gone then everyone needs to start beating his team on the field. Traffic violations and a few drunk college kids aren’t going to do it.
Well, if you're going to break it down like that, then yes, everyone you mentioned is also complicit. But in a real world, the "buck stops here" stops with the university president, who just turns a blind eye to everything as long as it means more money for the school.
 
It’s worse than that. A lot of these people are willing to tolerate their daughters being on the receiving end of this abuse so long as it’s to the benefit of the uga football program.

man, I really don’t believe that or don’t want to believe that.
 
What community is objecting? A few reporters at the rag AJC? So now GT people hold the AJC in high esteem? No coach at any school is responsible for an adult player doing stupid things on their own time.
This is such a stupid take it is obviously a troll. Head coaches lose their jobs over öööö like this on a regular basis up and down college sports. NFL teams suspend and cut players whose off field behavior is irresponsible. Uga hasn’t suspended or cut anyone. It’s also one thing when it’s just a couple of kids every season, that’s kind of 18 year olds being idiots. But when it’s occurring by the dozen, regularly, that’s systematic and the head coach is absolutely in charge of culture and what is allowed and what’s not. Absolutely on the head coach and ultimately the school administration.
 
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