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The ACC needs to approach it as a unified group seeking more network money. It is a horrible contract and if ESPN can be compelled to renegotiate because the contract is unsustainable and would ultimately lead to the failure of the ACC then maybe we can gain some ground.

We should have never negotiated a contract without a clause stating the ACC contract must be within 95% of the largest conference payout.
 
Funny how the Braves went through the same thing with a long term deal that was quickly undervalued. Of course the schysters at TW didnt care. They were about to unload them to the schysters at Liberty.
 
JJacket said:
It is a horrible contract and if ESPN can be compelled to renegotiate because the contract is unsustainable and would ultimately lead to the failure of the ACC then maybe we can gain some ground.
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Is it a horrible contract? Honest question. The three minutes I spent on the Google machine shows the B1G TV ratings are about double the ACC's and their per school payout is about double the ACC's. Seems about right. Now, my very quick very rough math had the SEC about 50% higher in ratings and 75% higher in payout per school so that's less than ideal but that doesn't make it horrible. Perhaps my quick Google search and quick math was wrong, I dunno.
 
JJacket said:
The ACC needs to approach it as a unified group seeking more network money. It is a horrible contract and if ESPN can be compelled to renegotiate because the contract is unsustainable and would ultimately lead to the failure of the ACC then maybe we can gain some ground.

We should have never negotiated a contract without a clause stating the ACC contract must be within 95% of the largest conference payout.
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Spot on. But it would have been waaaay too much to ask for Swofford and Co. to think proactively.
 
LibertyJacket said:
Is it a horrible contract? Honest question. The three minutes I spent on the Google machine shows the B1G TV ratings are about double the ACC's and their per school payout is about double the ACC's. Seems about right. Now, my very quick very rough math had the SEC about 50% higher in ratings and 75% higher in payout per school so that's less than ideal but that doesn't make it horrible. Perhaps my quick Google search and quick math was wrong, I dunno.
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Good point. Other than Clemson and maybe FSU the schools in the ACC just don’t move the ratings nationally.
 
LibertyJacket said:
Is it a horrible contract? Honest question. The three minutes I spent on the Google machine shows the B1G TV ratings are about double the ACC's and their per school payout is about double the ACC's. Seems about right. Now, my very quick very rough math had the SEC about 50% higher in ratings and 75% higher in payout per school so that's less than ideal but that doesn't make it horrible. Perhaps my quick Google search and quick math was wrong, I dunno.
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Part of the ratings discrepancy is scheduling. The B1G and SEC tend to get the plum scheduling slots. If the ACC got more of those slots our ratings would rise, regardless of any other factors.
 
gtleviathan said:
Part of the ratings discrepancy is scheduling. The B1G and SEC tend to get the plum scheduling slots. If the ACC got more of those slots our ratings would rise, regardless of any other factors.
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Yea, Swofford probably spent more time at the hotel buffet than at the negotiating table with ESPN. They probably buddied up to him a bit and he just went with their ööööty deal.
 
gtleviathan said:
Part of the ratings discrepancy is scheduling. The B1G and SEC tend to get the plum scheduling slots. If the ACC got more of those slots our ratings would rise, regardless of any other factors.
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ACC ratings would rise, but network ratings would fall. those conferences get plum scheduling spots for a reason, more eyes. network isn't going to opt for less viewers just so ACC can have higher ratings.
 
JJacket said:
The ACC needs to approach it as a unified group seeking more network money. It is a horrible contract and if ESPN can be compelled to renegotiate because the contract is unsustainable and would ultimately lead to the failure of the ACC then maybe we can gain some ground.

We should have never negotiated a contract without a clause stating the ACC contract must be within 95% of the largest conference payout.
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My layman's understanding is that doing this would require dissolving the grant of rights, at which point some of our best teams would jump ship.

It's true that we would be able to get a much better deal by renegotiating with the conference as currently constituted, but even a much better ACC deal still wouldn't be as good as what a Clemson or FSU could get in the SEC/Big X.

So opening the door to negotiate a better deal would mean top teams leave which would close the door on negotiating a better deal.
 
My thing is the ACC did itself harm not fielding consistently good teams. When you look back at the 'blue bloods' of the ACC (less Clemson) from the 80s to early 2000s, we had some great programs (Miami, F$U, GT, VT) that were the backbone of the conference with Clemson football wise. Then as their coaches retired, etc. these programs became less and less consistent and the coaching carousel started. Winning cures all ills and brings leverage. I do hope the ACC gets better while it's still together. Bottomline we need to win the head to head match ups with when scheduled against other P6 conferences, more notably the SEC. That's why I'm glad that we're getting back to hard nosed and discipline football with Key. That's what we were always known for. So much has changed in the CFB landscape, and most of it I think NOT for the better (thanks to the NIL, transfer portal, and TV money). The NCAA has been Johnny come lately too.
 
I pointed out earlier that Fox owns the B1G broadcast rights and is subleasing them to other networks as part of the B1G mega deal that hasn't actually been signed yet.

If the market value for ACC GOR was really that much better than the current deal with ESPN then another network would likely be knocking on the door of the mouse house to try and get a piece at a markup.

The truth is that the bulk of the ACC just doesn't command a large viewing audience and thus doesn't deserve a larger TV contract for which any network can turn a profit on.

We can complain that the TV money distribution is a problem but given that no other networks are stepping up to try and offer more to the ACC GOR holder (ESPN) then it's likely as fair a deal as the ACC can get. Given the current economic and social climate, it could be argued that on the open market the ACC would do worse today than it did when it made the deal. No one seems to be considering that possibility.

The real problem in all of this is inequitable distribution to all of the FBS programs and the long term effect it will have on the game. Over the next decade the football factory programs are going to get inordinately more wealthy and powerful and those mid-tier programs and below are going to be unable to compete. The TV money and the rules of the portal and NIL as it stands today will destroy most of the FBS programs over time.

The cascading effects will destroy much of the other non football sports programs for those schools as well. They live on football money. Washington State has already frozen hiring for all programs due to money issues stemming from the PAC-12 crumbling. This is all going to get much worse sooner than later.

I believe in capitalism, freedom and merit based incentives in general so it pains me to say that those philosophies aren't working in FBS college football, but the end game of the current trajectory is obvious and untenable.

It also pains me to say it, but since the NCAA has no real authority any longer and it appears the colleges have no guts, spine or principles the only recourse is going to be legal. Either congress is going to have to step in or a court case is going to have to be brought to bring some sanity back to all of it. You know it's bad when you have to look to congress to fix things.

As always, just my opinion.
 
greenmachine said:
ACC ratings would rise, but network ratings would fall. those conferences get plum scheduling spots for a reason, more eyes. network isn't going to opt for less viewers just so ACC can have higher ratings.
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Sure. I understand why the B1G and SEC get more money than the ACC. I just don't think the size of the discrepancy is justified based on a raw ratings comparison. It's more complicated than that.
 
Buzzilla said:
...Either congress is going to have to step in or a court case is going to have to be brought to bring some sanity back to all of it. You know it's bad when you have to look to congress to fix things.
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If this comes down to needing congress and/or the courts, just accept the fact that it is already over. There will be no solution that works. Whatever comes after that is guaranteed to be worse, now matter how bad things are going in.
 
juraitwaluzka said:
If this comes down to needing congress and/or the courts, just accept the fact that it is already over. There will be no solution that works. Whatever comes after that is guaranteed to be worse, now matter how bad things are going in.
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I don't know what the solutions are but I feel like at some point it's going to somehow involve pirates.

I miss Mike Leach.
 
theStingT said:
This is a good read. The ACC is here to stay for awhile. I didnt realize the federal court aspect of this

www.cbssports.com

Inside the Big 12's 'ironclad' grant of rights contract that helped keep the ACC together amid turbulence

How a seemingly unbreakable document has kept two leagues largely together during realignment
www.cbssports.com www.cbssports.com
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I tried telling some of you dumb ööööers some time ago that no one is going anywhere. There, that's right, I said it: I told you so. If you don't like me saying that, then you can kiss my a$$.
"Oh, but FSU's and Clemson's big money folks won't stand for it," blah, blah, blah, :puke: So much PURE masturbation. :bfd:

It was ALWAYS such a joke anyway. Do you dumb mother ööööers realize that Oklahoma and Texas just paid the BIG12 $100 million to leave just ONE year early. And yet the exact same dumb mother ööööers who seem to think Tech could afford to leave the ACC 13 years early are whining that there is no ööööing way that broke-a$$ Tech athletics could afford to pay $5 million for a head football coach. Un-ööööing-believable. Just mind boggling. Look, I know most of you didn't go to Tech, but maybe Tech could somehow find a more intelligence class of sidewalk fans that can better measure up to its alums. I mean, at least something better than Carson-Newman idiots, OK?

Maybe now you dumb mother ööööers understand. Tech is in the ACC, and it's going to stay there, along with everyone else in the conference, for many, many, many years. It's not going to leave for the SEC. It's not going to leave for the Little14. You don't need to clutch your pearls worrying about traveliing to Minnesota in the late fall. You can stop fantasizing about sold out nationally televised home games against tOSU and UMIch. Tech will stay in the ACC probably for the rest of the lives of many of us. The ACC is not "ded."

So stop with the bull öööö and just deal with it.

Now poo me and downvote me, dumbarses.

And have a nice weekend. :)
 
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