ACC Schools that are Pro Expansion for Stanford & Cal

justafan said:
Because Clemson and FSU just needed to buy off two schools to make the vote fail.
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You really believe they bought them off? Seriously, I think both are busy rallying funds for their own eventual exits rather than playing games with the ACC
 
The ACC should just make all of the other schools besides Notre Dama play only five conference games per year in football and just let them schedule whoever they want otherwise. Take the two highest ranked teams at the end and let them play for the top tier spot. Then the FSUs and Clemsons and whoever could schedule anyone else they desire without leaving and maintain some sort of semi-independent status. Maybe they could even work out their own revenue deals for the non-conference games.
 
Can we poach the Bug 12? I guess I’d try to get WV, TCU, Baylor and Ok St if we could.

Otherwise, Stanford and Cal are probably two of the best teams left that are available. I guess bring them on in cause it won’t matter once the GOR is done.
 
Looking into the future, I’m guessing the sec and Big are ready to pounce on the Big 12 and ACC when the time is right.

If we aren’t in one of those after the smoke clears, we are ded.
 
The fact that only 4 schools opposed the move isn't good for Florida State. I believe it also indicates those four schools have a landing place if the ACC breaks up. No use to vote to add three schools when it moves the number required to break the GOR from 8 to 10. So no school that was looking to leave would have voted yes.
 
The addition of Stanford, Cal, and SMU would be good for 70% of the ACC schools as it gets more members in case Clemson, F$U, UNC - leave. The BIG 12 has done this and survived. The PAC did not. For a team like GT, I think it is a good hedge bet in case we do noy get an invite to the SEC/BIG. If the ACC folds we could be hoping for a Big 12 invite (versus the AAC). I would prefer an ACC with Stanford, SMU, and Cal.
 
donsue said:
You really believe they bought them off? Seriously, I think both are busy rallying funds for their own eventual exits rather than playing games with the ACC
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Haven't been following closely, but could it be something like this:
- FSU, Clemson, and UNC want to go to the SEC and have been offered spots.
- ACC adding teams would help the ACC survive.
- The ACC surviving does not help FSU, Clemson, and UNC leave it for the SEC.
- FSU/Clemson/UNC make a deal to flip one of the schools to vote no and sink the addition, and that school is NC State.

If so what the rest of the ACC needs to do is play hardball with these traitors, flip one of the schools back, threaten financial ruin, whatever.
 
savbandjacket said:
Who gives a F about the academic standing of the conference? We have Louisville in the conference. LOUISVILLE. The academic angle is stupid, particularly when it’s a matter of survival. Our academic standing has nothing to do with what conference we are in. Vanderbilt loses nothing by being in the sec. We gain nothing by Stanford coming to the acc “raising the academic standing.”
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Athletic and academic reputation are interrelated. One boosts the other, and it works both ways.

Cal and Stanford both have long-time, accomplished football (and basketball) programs. They have 7 football national titles between them.
 
justafan said:
Athletic and academic reputation are interrelated. One boosts the other, and it works both ways.
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That can be true for schools, not really for sports conferences. At the least, who is the academic reputation of the conference (NOT the individual school) suppose to impress?
 
BuzzLaw said:
Looking into the future, I’m guessing the sec and Big are ready to pounce on the Big 12 and ACC when the time is right.

If we aren’t in one of those after the smoke clears, we are ded.
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Looking into the future, how much TV money will there be? Any speculation is moot.
 
justafan said:
Athletic and academic reputation are interrelated. One boosts the other, and it works both ways.

Cal and Stanford both have long-time, accomplished football (and basketball) programs. They have 7 football national titles between them.
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That's all a matter of perspective.

Cal and Stanford are strong academic schools and that has helped boost their football programs -- they have 7 national football titles between them.

Cal and Stanfard are strong academic schools and that has hindered their football teams in the modern game -- they have zero national football titles between them in the past 80 years

Having good academics doesn't prohibit having a good football team, but I don't think it boosts it. There are just so many bodies you need to fill on a football team, and while no doubt some good players are attracted to the promise of a strong education, I expect that is far outpaced by the number who aren't going to college to "play school". Especially with the advent of NIL where good players view this as a job more than ever.
 
ACC is full of dumb asses. Worst officiating crews in the country. Supposedly this is all about football and the tv revenue, yet we give Notre Dame a vote and all they do is promise to schedule 5 games a year. Screw Notre Dame. They have their own TV deal, so what dipstick decided to give them a vote on ACC tv revenue? We talk about academics, but as noted above we have Louisville in the conference? I don't think Miami or Florida State are exactly high on academics. To even entertain the idea of two west coast schools is crazy. It's bad enough having to go to Hyundai Field to see BC or Syracuse, but is anyone going to get worked up over seeing Cal? How many fans really want to jump a 6 hour flight to attend a west coast game?
 
The Wasp said:
ACC is full of dumb asses. Worst officiating crews in the country. Supposedly this is all about football and the tv revenue, yet we give Notre Dame a vote and all they do is promise to schedule 5 games a year. Screw Notre Dame. They have their own TV deal, so what dipstick decided to give them a vote on ACC tv revenue? We talk about academics, but as noted above we have Louisville in the conference? I don't think Miami or Florida State are exactly high on academics. To even entertain the idea of two west coast schools is crazy. It's bad enough having to go to Hyundai Field to see BC or Syracuse, but is anyone going to get worked up over seeing Cal? How many fans really want to jump a 6 hour flight to attend a west coast game?
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What vote on ACC TV revenue are you referring to?

Also in the beginning of the post you say this is all about TV revenue, but at the end you say the idea of adding two west coast schools is crazy because no one will want to fly to the west coast and attend the games in person -- but what does that have to do with TV revenue?
 
When it comes to the football side of things (separated from the $$$ aspect, that is easy to see the incentives) this seems like people are looking at things, while acknowledging this is a dynamic situation, as if it were static. "It would be awesome, as school XYZ, we got into the SEC". But the SEC you get into, let's say 20+ team SEC is not going to be like being in the SEC today. It will be different, perhaps drastically so. Maybe the grass is greener, maybe things turn out to be surprisingly different once you are there. Maybe you expect to get some sort of benefit of the doubt because you are in the great SEC. At some point though the answer is going to be "Yeah, you are in the SEC, so is everyone else. No soup for you." UNC for example, other than the $$$ part, do things get better for them football wise. These large conferences, if it goes that way are going to have to suffer from the effects of dilution in some way. That doesn't mean there is an answer, there may not be. Really, this whole thing is ööööed. I think schools are going to find out that their new girlfriend is indeed actually a whore, one that used to be the hot girl before she became a whore, but now she's a whore and she's all yours, congrats.
 
GTME87 said:
The addition of Stanford, Cal, and SMU would be good for 70% of the ACC schools as it gets more members in case Clemson, F$U, UNC - leave. The BIG 12 has done this and survived. The PAC did not. For a team like GT, I think it is a good hedge bet in case we do noy get an invite to the SEC/BIG. If the ACC folds we could be hoping for a Big 12 invite (versus the AAC). I would prefer an ACC with Stanford, SMU, and Cal.
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I still think the Big XII is a hodge podge of schools. No rhyme or reason regionally except to swallow up TV markets. Similiar to what the BIG is doing. It just doesn't look right. No regional identity. No identity at all. The SEC and ACC at least for now are two southern/eastern regional competitors conference wise. Football is strongest in the South. That's why the SEC has leverage.
 
jacket_sav said:
The ACC should just make all of the other schools besides Notre Dama play only five conference games per year in football and just let them schedule whoever they want otherwise. Take the two highest ranked teams at the end and let them play for the top tier spot. Then the FSUs and Clemsons and whoever could schedule anyone else they desire without leaving and maintain some sort of semi-independent status. Maybe they could even work out their own revenue deals for the non-conference games.
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The problem with your proposal is the rankings are crap. Take this year, Georgia gets an automatic bye into CFP. The "experts" on the committee, several women, a couple of hacks and others, base most of their final rankings on the "eye test". I call BS on the eye test, it is code word for payoffs and darling schools. The lesson is if you schedule UT Martin, Ball State, and UAB, never have to play your toughest in conference opponents, the fix is in.
 
donsue said:
What does an endowment have to do with athletic power? If you go by that metric, they should be courting Harvard and Yale
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Harvard and Yale are 'misers' and won't let anything athletic 'touch' their endowments. They are power and money hungry and woke.
 
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