ACC Schools that are Pro Expansion for Stanford & Cal

Harvard and Yale don't want to play big time football or I would - Stanford does.
 
goose said:
Hard to believe ncsu voted with unc on anything
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Pretty sure whatever happens with UNC is going to happen to NCST. Those are both big state schools with large fanbases. You can argue national perception or all kinds of other irrelevant metrics that don't matter. Any FOOTBALL conference that chooses to expand is only going to diminish one without taking the other imo. Same thing with UCLA/USC.
 
justafan said:
Cal and Stanford both have long-time, accomplished football (and basketball) programs. They have 7 football national titles between them.
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When I think of Cal and Stanford the first thing I think about is multiple national titles and football excellence. No, actually it's just the 1928 Rose Bowl and the way Stanford's equestrian and marksmanship teams keep them at the top of the Sears cup standings.
 
GT flunkout said:
When I think of Cal and Stanford the first thing I think about is multiple national titles and football excellence. No, actually it's just the 1928 Rose Bowl and the way Stanford's equestrian and marksmanship teams keep them at the top of the Sears cup standings.
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Haha. Stanford was good at football recently though... Andrew Luck, Christian McCaffrey. Multiple 10+ win seasons. 10 straight 8+ win seasons from 2009-2018.
 
andrew said:
Is Stanford a bastion of anti-wokeness?
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Lol. Uh no. Have you seen their school band!? At least they’re not chaining themselves to trees protesting the latest commie/environmental grievance in front of the stadium like they do at Cal Berkeley.
 
GT flunkout said:
Pretty sure whatever happens with UNC is going to happen to NCST. Those are both big state schools with large fanbases. You can argue national perception or all kinds of other irrelevant metrics that don't matter. Any FOOTBALL conference that chooses to expand is only going to diminish one without taking the other imo. Same thing with UCLA/USC.
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Yep. Word on the street is that NC State was strong armed to vote with the tar holes by either their BOR or some higher state power.
 
juraitwaluzka said:
When it comes to the football side of things (separated from the $$$ aspect, that is easy to see the incentives) this seems like people are looking at things, while acknowledging this is a dynamic situation, as if it were static. "It would be awesome, as school XYZ, we got into the SEC". But the SEC you get into, let's say 20+ team SEC is not going to be like being in the SEC today. It will be different, perhaps drastically so. Maybe the grass is greener, maybe things turn out to be surprisingly different once you are there. Maybe you expect to get some sort of benefit of the doubt because you are in the great SEC. At some point though the answer is going to be "Yeah, you are in the SEC, so is everyone else. No soup for you." UNC for example, other than the $$$ part, do things get better for them football wise. These large conferences, if it goes that way are going to have to suffer from the effects of dilution in some way. That doesn't mean there is an answer, there may not be. Really, this whole thing is ööööed. I think schools are going to find out that their new girlfriend is indeed actually a whore, one that used to be the hot girl before she became a whore, but now she's a whore and she's all yours, congrats.
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I agree to some extent but the money differences are huge.

our best case is join SEC with Clemson and FSU. A lot of regional intrigue. Tons of money. Renewed rivalries.

I think it’s very unlikely though.

Our second best case is join Big Ten with Clemson FSU and some west coast teams to make 4 regional pods the at have some great intrigue.

After that joining a bunch of SEC or Big Ten teams without our two big nearby rivals in the ACC is no better than staying in the ACC in its current form imo.
 
gt9589 said:
Harvard and Yale are 'misers' and won't let anything athletic 'touch' their endowments. They are power and money hungry and woke.
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One must ask the question; If Cal and Stanford bring so much value and prestige, why the the BIGX and BigXIi both completely pass over them and court the other PAC12 schools?
 
donsue said:
One must ask the question; If Cal and Stanford bring so much value and prestige, why the the BIGX and BigXIi both completely pass over them and court the other PAC12 schools?
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It's a good and fair question. They are not the first picks from remaining P5 teams but they are left. Neither Big12 or BigI conference could or wanted to go above 18. In the case of Big12 their TV deal wouldn't let them or every other member would suffer. For the BIG10, Oregon and Washington are taking a haircut and how many more could they say take a haircut and we will bring you to full membership later. Two was it.

None of us know the ACC negotiations and if Stanford and Cal were not willing to make the numbers work, then forget them. But given ACC had 11 votes, sounds like they were willing to take a haircut but we still had some holding out.

I;m guessing though.
 
ClubSeats said:
They haven’t even won an ACC championship since 1980. If the SEC takes them, it won’t be to compete for championships. It will be because somebody has to take the losses.
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Right, that's the reality, but I bet their fans will be all delusional and think this will be their ticket, the road to glory, the ACC has been with standing in their way of greatness all these years, now that they are in the SEC they have all the tools in place, when in fact they are still retards. They are the ones that are going to find out their girlfriend is a whore when probably they should be going the gay son route.
 
gt9589 said:
Yep. Word on the street is that NC State was strong armed to vote with the tar holes by either their BOR or some higher state power.
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I live in RDU (hence the name) and can definitely see this happening.
NCSU may be the larger school enrollment-wise, but everybody knows UNC is king.

Those of you wondering why UNC thinks their football fortunes will improve on the field are totally correct (they won’t), but they’re delusional enough to believe they can compete somewhere like the SEC.
 
I don't see it. UNC fits the Big Ten better than the SEC. The schools are much better. Certainly the SEC and Big Ten will take UNC but my guess is that UNC is headed for the Big Ten and it seems, with FSU and Clemson. I have to believe that UVA follows shortly thereafter. (UNC in the SEC is foolish; they are not going to like Birmingham controlling their destiny. See Missouri.)

I think the deal is for NCS to get into the SEC with VPI.
 
midatlantech said:
I don't see it. UNC fits the Big Ten better than the SEC. The schools are much better. Certainly the SEC and Big Ten will take UNC but my guess is that UNC is headed for the Big Ten and it seems, with FSU and Clemson. I have to believe that UVA follows shortly thereafter. (UNC in the SEC is foolish; they are not going to like Birmingham controlling their destiny. See Missouri.)

I think the deal is for NCS to get into the SEC with VPI.
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I know of all the blow back, crap that many say (especially UGAY) that we don't belong in the SEC but I certainly think we fit better than VPI or NCST. We've got to start winning again and soon. Starting this year on the field. I'm sick of all the negative stigma.
 
midatlantech said:
I don't see it. UNC fits the Big Ten better than the SEC. The schools are much better. Certainly the SEC and Big Ten will take UNC but my guess is that UNC is headed for the Big Ten and it seems, with FSU and Clemson. I have to believe that UVA follows shortly thereafter. (UNC in the SEC is foolish; they are not going to like Birmingham controlling their destiny. See Missouri.)

I think the deal is for NCS to get into the SEC with VPI.
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Agree with this. They have their way with the ACC and the Tobacco Road people. They would be stepping in as the stepchild in the SEC
 
donsue said:
Agree with this. They have their way with the ACC and the Tobacco Road people. They would be stepping in as the stepchild in the SEC
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Tobacco road is one of the golf courses that has the motorcycle golf carts and, for that reason, I think everyone associated with it should burn in hell.
 
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