An inept staff for our offense

GTRules said:
Several people want him benched.
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I'm not several people. Pass completion rate is related to accuracy, but doesn't define it. Simple observation does. Ever watch Brees, Sunshine, or even the freshman from Miami ?
 
GoldZ said:
I'm not several people. Pass completion rate is related to accuracy, but doesn't define it. Simple observation does. Ever watch Brees, Sunshine, or even the freshman from Miami ?
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When did I say you were?
 
Not a fan of wasted possessions. We have too many 3 and outs. I would change out the QB every time there is a 3 and out.

I don't think the expectation of at least one first down is too much to ask.
 
GoldZ said:
I'm not several people. Pass completion rate is related to accuracy, but doesn't define it. Simple observation does. Ever watch Brees, Sunshine, or even the freshman from Miami ?
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He's 2nd yr out of HS just like Sims, difference is he RS'd.

Did his OLine give him more time to throw or not, generally speaking was his pocket a lot cleaner to throw from over the course of the Game?
 
GoldZ said:
I'm not several people. Pass completion rate is related to accuracy, but doesn't define it. Simple observation does. Ever watch Brees, Sunshine, or even the freshman from Miami ?
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Brees, Sunshine, or the "Freshman" from Miami haven't played behind this crap OLine.

A guy that is trying his best to lead us out of the oblivion of the Triple and change our perception among Recruits, that is a dedicated hard worker, and you come here with bullshyt talk of completion % and comparisons to an NFL Hall of Famer, and a #1 overall NFL Draft pick that was predicted to be the #1 overall pick from the time he was 14 yrs old.

When do you compare our Center play to Dwight Stephenson of Bama & the Dolphins?

When are you gonna compare our Safeties to Ed Reed and Rod Woodson?

When are you going to compare our DLine to Jerome Brown and Cortez Kennedy, maybe Ndomikuhn Suh since he was also an Elec Engr major?
 
WracerX said:
This is the part I have a hard time with. Our completion rate is good, but we aren’t scoring. It seems like we have a lot of 3 and outs, but that may just be observation bias. I really notice when we need to move the ball and we can’t.
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Outside of Dook, in close games when the competition has really wanted to stop us they could. Dook did most of the game, but on the 1 drive that really mattered they couldn’t. Dook is Dook.
 
Liberty said:
Outside of Dook, in close games when the competition has really wanted to stop us they could. Dook did most of the game, but on the 1 drive that really mattered they couldn’t. Dook is Dook.
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Duke beat us 41-23 in 2018.
 
The coaching staff is in a tough spot. They started with Graham, Oliver, Johnson and Yates. Graham could hit the bomb, but struggled with easier passes. Johnson was more accurate, but a weak arm, he transferred when the handwriting was on the wall. Oliver was a more protypical option QB and Yates was a Freshman. Oliver got reassigned. They recruited Sims, but while he has the physical tools he needs help with mechanics and between the ears. He’s a good dual threat. They’re trying to use him like an NFL drop back passer when he’s more like a Michael Vick or Lamar Jackson type QB. If they do not develop his mechanics & do not help him elevate next year, Sims will have hit his ceiling. We need him to improve, a lot. They also recruited Gleason, but that was the weakest QB out of Plant in 3-4 decades. That dog was never going to hunt, a wasted recruit. Next season they recruited Peery, he’s not cracking the 3 deep. Maybe he’s guarded like the F-121? They seemingly don’t like what Yates provides as far as steadiness goes and the only other option is the Temple kid. Seeing as he has not sniffed the field you gotta think that’s a stretch. Next year we get Pyron. If he is not able to push Sims, we’re in a world of hurt. Sims will be in year 3 and we still will not have a back up. We really need Pyron to be good. CGC will look a lot like Chan if he can never recruit QBs except he has no defense. That is not a recipe for success.

@GTRules point of pride though is we now beat Dook because they lost their NFL QB and have resumed their normal history of ööööty football. All is good. Beating one of the crappiest Dook teams in a decade is all that matters. It’s the true measure of GT success.
 
Liberty said:
The coaching staff is in a tough spot. They started with Graham, Oliver, Johnson and Yates. Graham could hit the bomb, but struggled with easier passes. Johnson was more accurate, but a weak arm, he transferred when the handwriting was on the wall. Oliver was a more protypical option QB and Yates was a Freshman. Oliver got reassigned. They recruited Sims, but while he has the physical tools he needs help with mechanics and between the ears. He’s a good dual threat. They’re trying to use him like an NFL drop back passer when he’s more like a Michael Vick or Lamar Jackson type QB. If they do not develop his mechanics & do not help him elevate next year, Sims will have hit his ceiling. We need him to improve, a lot. They also recruited Gleason, but that was the weakest QB out of Plant in 3-4 decades. That dog was never going to hunt, a wasted recruit. Next season they recruited Peery, he’s not cracking the 3 deep. Maybe he’s guarded like the F-121? They seemingly don’t like what Yates provides as far as steadiness goes and the only other option is the Temple kid. Seeing as he has not sniffed the field you gotta think that’s a stretch. Next year we get Pyron. If he is not able to push Sims, we’re in a world of hurt. Sims will be in year 3 and we still will not have a back up. We really need Pyron to be good. CGC will look a lot like Chan if he can never recruit QBs except he has no defense. That is not a recipe for success.

@GTRules point of pride though is we now beat Dook because they lost their NFL QB and have resumed their normal history of ööööty football. All is good. Beating one of the crappiest Dook teams in a decade is all that matters. It’s the true measure of GT success.
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That is not my point of pride. Way to completely misrepresent my opinion.
 
cincyjacket said:
Not a fan of wasted possessions. We have too many 3 and outs. I would change out the QB every time there is a 3 and out.

I don't think the expectation of at least one first down is too much to ask.
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You'd be a horrible coach of anything
 
WracerX said:
This is the part I have a hard time with. Our completion rate is good, but we aren’t scoring. It seems like we have a lot of 3 and outs, but that may just be observation bias. I really notice when we need to move the ball and we can’t.
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I think part of it is that our average receiver target is not very deep, a consequence of the inconsistent bad to average pass blocking, so maybe more completed short passes that have to sustain over the length of the field and we don't. Maybe not relevant to 3 and outs, but is likely a factor. Prolly some advanced stats out there that could refute me.
 
QuadF said:
He's one of them. Unless throwing picks isn't an issue for you. He also had some bad throws on 3rd down that should've been easy conversions.

Sims looked good running the option yesterday, but his pass reads are still suspect.
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Try to understand the Game a little better, playing QB at the P5 level is very hard and he's just 2 yrs removed from HS

A "bad read" is when the QB makes the wrong decision, or throws to the wrong WR based on what else is available.

A "bad read" cannot be assumed just because the play wasn't successful or wasn't as successful as you would like!

Amazing that you can claim "bad read" when it is very unlikely that you have access to the All-22 Tape that Coaches use to evaluate players.

There's a huge difference between a BAD RESULT and a BAD READ.

I admit he had a tough day throwing the ball, the pocket was getting caved in , preventing him from stepping into throws, and the pressure up the middle after our Center went out was speeding up his clock, so it lead to a bad day all around.

Despite this bad day, with 50 seconds to go and the Game on the line he came on clutch as Tom Brady (you ignored that), he made 2 big throws for big yardage that were wiped out by a low snap and by a holding call, very few QBs in College make those throws with 50 seconds to go, yet all you see is the "bad reads" but don't see the guy with huge upside and icewater in his veins, the guy with the clutch gene, the guy that still makes big plays when the game is on the line

The team knows who the guy is, and Sims is the guy.

Just curious, when Gibbs was 10 carries for negative 10 yards a few Games back were you one of the Guys on here claiming that he was overrated and we need to play Mason more?

The truth is we don't deserve Sims, guys with that Talent usually end up playing for an Ohio State, Texas A&M , programs with established OLines that can give their QB a chance to make plays.

2 weeks ago Brady didn't look like Brady when he didn't have a clean pocket vs the Saints.

Learn to watch the entire Game and elevate yourself to higher plane than the typical, "blame the OC, blame the QB" for everything that happens in a Game.

In summary, he had a bad Game, yeah it happens, but he kept battling to end and made clutch plays that were wiped out due to OLine incompetence.

To further summarize, a bad result from a Play doesn't always mean there was a "bad read" by the QB
 
PressManCoverage said:
Try to understand the Game a little better, playing QB at the P5 level is very hard and he's just 2 yrs removed from HS

A "bad read" is when the QB makes the wrong decision, or throws to the wrong WR based on what else is available.

A "bad read" cannot be assumed just because the play wasn't successful or wasn't as successful as you would like!

Amazing that you can claim "bad read" when it is very unlikely that you have access to the All-22 Tape that Coaches use to evaluate players.

There's a huge difference between a BAD RESULT and a BAD READ.

I admit he had a tough day throwing the ball, the pocket was getting caved in , preventing him from stepping into throws, and the pressure up the middle after our Center went out was speeding up his clock, so it lead to a bad day all around.

Despite this bad day, with 50 seconds to go and the Game on the line he came on clutch as Tom Brady (you ignored that), he made 2 big throws for big yardage that were wiped out by a low snap and by a holding call, very few QBs in College make those throws with 50 seconds to go, yet all you see is the "bad reads" but don't see the guy with huge upside and icewater in his veins, the guy with the clutch gene, the guy that still makes big plays when the game is on the line

The team knows who the guy is, and Sims is the guy.

Just curious, when Gibbs was 10 carries for negative 10 yards a few Games back were you one of the Guys on here claiming that he was overrated and we need to play Mason more?

The truth is we don't deserve Sims, guys with that Talent usually end up playing for an Ohio State, Texas A&M , programs with established OLines that can give their QB a chance to make plays.

2 weeks ago Brady didn't look like Brady when he didn't have a clean pocket vs the Saints.

Learn to watch the entire Game and elevate yourself to higher plane than the typical, "blame the OC, blame the QB" for everything that happens in a Game.

In summary, he had a bad Game, yeah it happens, but he kept battling to end and made clutch plays that were wiped out due to OLine incompetence.

To further summarize, a bad result from a Play doesn't always mean there was a "bad read" by the QB
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Sims has a tendency to get the ball out rather than take the sack resulting in more INTs. We'd be punting with Yates. Great. QB isn't the problem.
 
PressManCoverage said:
Brees, Sunshine, or the "Freshman" from Miami haven't played behind this crap OLine.

A guy that is trying his best to lead us out of the oblivion of the Triple and change our perception among Recruits, that is a dedicated hard worker, and you come here with bullshyt talk of completion % and comparisons to an NFL Hall of Famer, and a #1 overall NFL Draft pick that was predicted to be the #1 overall pick from the time he was 14 yrs old.

When do you compare our Center play to Dwight Stephenson of Bama & the Dolphins?

When are you gonna compare our Safeties to Ed Reed and Rod Woodson?

When are you going to compare our DLine to Jerome Brown and Cortez Kennedy, maybe Ndomikuhn Suh since he was also an Elec Engr major?
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Didcha miss the reference to Miami's freshman QB. He is a covid freshman too, but without near as many games under his belt as Sims. The context of my post and the reason for the Brees ref is, that completion % isn't the whole picture and accuracy helps complete the picture. Like I said, you know it when you see it, especially repeatedly. Your thin-skinned defense of anything Collins is showing, but then again, a lot of us(including me) are frustrated which leads to such. Sims will be fine imo, but to think this is entirely the OL, is, well.....wrong.
 
Are our passes even passes? I thought they have to be thrown forward to be considered a pass. A lot of Sims "passes" are quick outs to the backs/receivers.
 
00Burdell said:
It's just retarded. Tenuta is done. O'Leary is done. Lindsey is done. Resurrecting dinosaurs is an idiotic idea and serves as evidence that our fan base is as much to blame as the administration for our current predicament.
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