An inept staff for our offense

GoldZ said:
Didcha miss the reference to Miami's freshman QB. He is a covid freshman too, but without near as many games under his belt as Sims. The context of my post and the reason for the Brees ref is, that completion % isn't the whole picture and accuracy helps complete the picture. Like I said, you know it when you see it, especially repeatedly. Your thin-skinned defense of anything Collins is showing, but then again, a lot of us(including me) are frustrated which leads to such. Sims will be fine imo, but to think this is entirely the OL, is, well.....wrong.
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How long has Miami been running that offense? Has Miami drastically changed their offense? Is Miami recruiting different body type players than they were?
 
JJacket said:
How long has Miami been running that offense? Has Miami drastically changed their offense? Is Miami recruiting different body type players than they were?
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They dramatically changed their QB style a few weeks ago. Our OL body types are typical now. Three of them have extensive experience in our current style.
 
GoldZ said:
They dramatically changed their QB style a few weeks ago. Our OL body types are typical now. Three of them have extensive experience in our current style.
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Which three? Grad transfers? One who didn't even play football last season? I know you guys really, really want to sell that our evolution is similar to Miami's, but it's not. Plus, their QB who got injured is a passing QB who can run. He's thrown for what? 7k yards in his career? The new QB is a passing QB who may have a bit less wheels, but can still run.
 
JJacket said:
Which three? Grad transfers? One who didn't even play football last season? I know you guys really, really want to sell that our evolution is similar to Miami's, but it's not. Plus, their QB who got injured is a passing QB who can run. He's thrown for what? 7k yards in his career? The new QB is a passing QB who may have a bit less wheels, but can still run.
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Van Dyke has greatly improved Miami's O. He is a 2nd year Fr just like Sims, but without near as much game experience. He is accurate---THAT is the point. Who is really really wanting to equate Miami's evolution to ours? Btw, on our D side of the equation, how many Jrs/Srs start? Do we have a defensive minded HC or not? You know, the one whose defense that CPJ spanked with his pitiful recruits that flop on the ground like fish. No, I don't want CPJ back, or his option O, but I respect his coaching and what he did for Tech in a world that has passed us by---$ and lack of upper level commitment.
 
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GoldZ said:
They dramatically changed their QB style a few weeks ago. Our OL body types are typical now. Three of them have extensive experience in our current style.
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No they didn't, when King was playing for Houston under Holgerson, they were a shotgun spread sling it all over the yard kinda Offense
 
For those arguing about Gibbs not getting enough touches... here are some stats.

Gibbs is ranked #3 in all-purpose yards out of all players in college. He has 1457 yards. The number 1 player has 1558, 101 more yards than that. Gibbs has had several long runs, returns, and completions called back this year and he could easily be leading the category. There have been many others that he was very close to breaking or just needed one extra second on a block to break. He is also the most balanced as far as rushing/receiving/return yards on the list. The first guy on the list is a WR with 1300+ of his yards being receiving yards. The second guy on the list is a RB with 1200+ of his yards coming as rushing yards. Gibbs' yards come on a total of 159 plays, 19 being returns. That gives him 140 offensive touches. That's about 15.5 touches per game (offense only) and would put him around #40. He returns an average 2 kicks per game, so 17.5 total touches per game would be good for 25th in the country. There is nobody at UGA, Florida, Clemson, Ohio State, Oregon, Auburn, etc. getting more touches than him.

Alabama is the only contender with a single guy getting more touches per game, and that is Brian Robinson, their Senior RB.
 
GoGATech said:
For those arguing about Gibbs not getting enough touches... here are some stats.

Gibbs is ranked #3 in all-purpose yards out of all players in college. He has 1457 yards. The number 1 player has 1558, 101 more yards than that. Gibbs has had several long runs, returns, and completions called back this year and he could easily be leading the category. There have been many others that he was very close to breaking or just needed one extra second on a block to break. He is also the most balanced as far as rushing/receiving/return yards on the list. The first guy on the list is a WR with 1300+ of his yards being receiving yards. The second guy on the list is a RB with 1200+ of his yards coming as rushing yards. Gibbs' yards come on a total of 159 plays, 19 being returns. That gives him 140 offensive touches. That's about 17.5 touches per game (offense only) and would put him in the top 25. He returns an average 2 kicks per game, so 19.5 total touches per game would be good for 14th in the country. There is nobody at UGA, Florida, Clemson, Ohio State, Oregon, Auburn, etc. getting more touches than him.
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The last thing I want to see - and I was here for both Lavette and Hollings - is the staff pinning their job security on one player. I applaud the sparing use of Gibbs - it is an implicit confirmation that the staff (however imperfect they may be) are going about things the right way.

But, having said that, I wouldn't mind fewer "up the middle" calls late in the game when we are losing 2 yards each time we call it. There is a fine line between "keeping the defense honest" and "beating your skull into solid concrete."
 
00Burdell said:
The last thing I want to see - and I was here for both Lavette and Hollings - is the staff pinning their job security on one player. I applaud the sparing use of Gibbs - it is an implicit confirmation that the staff (however imperfect they may be) are going about things the right way.

But, having said that, I wouldn't mind fewer "up the middle" calls late in the game when we are losing 2 yards each time we call it. There is a fine line between "keeping the defense honest" and "beating your skull into solid concrete."
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I agree, but at the same time, I wish I had the time and resources to go back and point out a lot of those seemingly "up the middle" 2 yard loss plays where a guy totally missed an assignment or was late on a pull/kickout and the rest of the play was set up beautifully. CGC is not wrong when he says we are so close to being good, but that's not going to cut it for much longer. We have to start showing the progress, not the "almost there" progress.
 
GoGATech said:
I agree, but at the same time, I wish I had the time and resources to go back and point out a lot of those seemingly "up the middle" 2 yard loss plays where a guy totally missed an assignment or was late on a pull/kickout and the rest of the play was set up beautifully. CGC is not wrong when he says we are so close to being good, but that's not going to cut it for much longer. We have to start showing the progress, not the "almost there" progress.
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Understood. I think the root cause is revealing itself to be a coordination/cooperation gap between our overpaid OL coach and our (possibly) underpaid OC.

I can think of several games where if the play that was called had been correctly run, we already have 6 wins. Seems I recall the previous coach saying the same thing.
 
GoldZ said:
Van Dyke has greatly improved Miami's O. He is a 2nd year Fr just like Sims, but without near as much game experience. He is accurate---THAT is the point. Who is really really wanting to equate Miami's evolution to ours? Btw, on our D side of the equation, how many Jrs/Srs start? Do we have a defensive minded HC or not? You know, the one whose defense that CPJ spanked with his pitiful recruits that flop on the ground like fish. No, I don't want CPJ back, or his option O, but I respect his coaching and what he did for Tech in a world that has passed us by---$ and lack of upper level commitment.
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There was no evolution of Miami's offense. It is the same offense they have had for years.
 
midatlantech said:
It’s not pnode fault. Our OL could not protect long enough to do much other than dump offs, etc.
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Something interesting I saw on GatorBait; Brent Key is the first guy mentioned as a replacement for their recently fired OL coach
 
He worked for Saban so automatically assumed to be good.

I'm just not going to say anything. Kind of done with all this.
 
The difference in our offense and Miami’s is that their coaches trust their QB to throw to all quadrants. Our coaches don’t trust our QB so we throw out routes and dump passes all game. Even the desperation last play if the game was an out route. They can say whatever they want but their actions scream they don’t trust him.
 
OptionJacket said:
The difference in our offense and Miami’s is that their coaches trust their QB to throw to all quadrants. Our coaches don’t trust our QB so we throw out routes and dump passes all game. Even the desperation last play if the game was an out route. They can say whatever they want but their actions scream they don’t trust him.
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Maybe our OLine doesn't give all pass patterns time to develop?
 
JJacket said:
560 or so yards by Miami. The big fat elephant in the room for GT. Not sure what can be done at this point. QB's are literally having backyard pitch and catch sessions against us.
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If if they’d managed to win six games this year, which was very doable looking back, I’d still be unsettled/unhappy by the regressive play on D. That doesn’t bode well for future seasons. There has to be coaching changes on D.
 
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