Any News On The Status Of Sim?

Some of you guys need to hold your horses. Pyron has looked good and I believe will be a great QB for us but a healthy Sims gives us a much better chance of winning than Pyron does right now. It's like some of you feel you have to pick one and then just do away with everybody else. Guess what? Both can be good for us. Anybody that doesn't think we bet UVA if Sims doesn't get hurt is crazy. I also think we beat VT by more if a healthy Sims is playing. Pyron has a good arm but the playbook and his reads are still limited because he is still learning. And to who said they wince and cringe every time Jeff throws the ball? You are crazy. He has made some of the best throws I've seen this year and even gets complimented on his arm strength and talent by media outlets. He's thrown a few bad ones under pressure but the majority of that was in the rainy Pitt game. Did you already forget that Pyron threw it directly into a defenders hands twice already (once against FSU and once against VT) that were dropped and easily would've been pick-6's? Also had the batted ball against VT that did end up a pick-6. Every time Jeff had a ball batted folks seemed to think it was his fault. Pyron led us to a narrow victory against likely the worst team on our schedule, and got beaten pretty soundly taking most of the snaps against FSU. Point is, Pyron can and I believe will be good, but don't kid yourself thinking he's played himself into QB1 if Jeff gets healthy.
 
GoGATech said:
Everybody conveniently forgets he didn't miss a game his first season as a true freshman. He got hurt last year and I believe he would have come back sooner had we not had FCS Kennesaw the next week, then Yates looked somewhat competent and almost got the W at Clemson or Sims probably would have come in. He got hurt again late in the season and played against Miami on one leg basically, then they shut him down after that. He has had 2 separate injuries on the same foot this year in back to back games. Did you not see how he was tackled and rolled up on at the end of the Duke game? That doesn't mean he's "injury prone."
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I beg to differ. He was hurt in the Pitt game which turned out to be the season ender because they used COVID as a convenient excuse to not play Miami. Gleason could’ve played but I don’t think Collins wanted to risk a good showing and creating a QB controversy for 2021.
 
GoGATech said:
...a healthy Sims gives us a much better chance of winning than Pyron does right now.
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I also think we beat VT by more if a healthy Sims is playing.
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I'm curious why you think VT by more under Sims. We had over 460 yards under Pyron, so it's not like we could have moved the ball much better. From where I sit, we didn't crush VT for three reasons:

1) Punt return TD
2) Inability to convert in the red zone
3) Pick six from Pyron

The first one obviously Sims could not have helped with.

The second one has been a problem for us all year, even under Sims, to the point where the announcers were talking about how bad we were in the red zone. So I think it's a stretch to say that all of a sudden we would've been punching it in if only Sims was in there when we couldn't punch it in with him before.

The third one, while a good play from the defender, was definitely on Pyron. Perhaps Sims would have avoided that, but we've seen multiple dropped pick sixes under Sims (I think two or three against Pitt alone), so I don't think that's a slam dunk by any means either.

I can see arguments being made for either to be QB1. Based on what I've seen though I don't think Sims gives us a *much* better chance of winning than Pyron right now, and I imagine Pyron will only improve the more he plays given he's only had one start so far.
 
helluvaparamedic said:
I beg to differ. He was hurt in the Pitt game which turned out to be the season ender because they used COVID as a convenient excuse to not play Miami. Gleason could’ve played but I don’t think Collins wanted to risk a good showing and creating a QB controversy for 2021.
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That's a reach at best. Sims got tackled hard and his bell rung at the very end of Pitt game. Yates came in and played like 4 plays, the final minute. Sims would've been back for Miami. It was already up in the air whether the Miami game would be played because it had no bowl implications, conference implications, or playoff implications and it was already the middle of December.
 
andrew said:
I'm curious why you think VT by more under Sims. We had over 460 yards under Pyron, so it's not like we could have moved the ball much better. From where I sit, we didn't crush VT for three reasons:
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We have a much larger playbook with Sims in, and he's more dynamic with his legs. Just because we had 460 yards under Pyron doesn't mean we wouldn't have had that or more with Sims. There were some reads and throws Pyron missed that I think Jeff would have hit.
 
BigDanT said:
We couldn’t beat UNC last year either
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Overall, their weakness (defense) isn't bad enough to negate their strength (offense).

I think either of our QB's can (should?) put up points. UNC is just better at it.
 
helluvaparamedic said:
I beg to differ. He was hurt in the Pitt game which turned out to be the season ender because they used COVID as a convenient excuse to not play Miami. Gleason could’ve played but I don’t think Collins wanted to risk a good showing and creating a QB controversy for 2021.
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Gleason already left the team, as did Jeff Graham. We could have played Yates or moved Tobias over. But our head football coach was a pussy that didn’t like to compete.
 
originalwombat said:
Honestly, who really gives a öööö at this point who plays QB? It’s not going to make a difference in terms of wins/losses. The only person that should care is the guy trying to decide if he wants to be our next coach or not. If I’m that guy, some more film on Pyron would be nice.
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Sim_ or Pyron plays vs UVA we are 5-4 with a good shot at a bowl bid.
 
GoGATech said:
We have a much larger playbook with Sims in, and he's more dynamic with his legs. Just because we had 460 yards under Pyron doesn't mean we wouldn't have had that or more with Sims. There were some reads and throws Pyron missed that I think Jeff would have hit.
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I don’t think the playbook is much larger with Sims. We’ve run a flea flicker, a reverse pass, a Philly special, RPO, throw back screen in ZPs 6 quarters which tells me we’re going as deep as we can.

The QBs are about the same imo. ZP is more effective in the passing game because he gets the ball out on time. Sims has more pure arm talent and athletic ability to cover up slower decision making. Both have held onto the ball pretty well. If sims can’t run, it’s an edge to ZP.
 
The Champ said:
I don’t think the playbook is much larger with Sims. We’ve run a flea flicker, a reverse pass, a Philly special, RPO, throw back screen in ZPs 6 quarters which tells me we’re going as deep as we can.

The QBs are about the same imo. ZP is more effective in the passing game because he gets the ball out on time. Sims has more pure arm talent and athletic ability to cover up slower decision making. Both have held onto the ball pretty well. If sims can’t run, it’s an edge to ZP.
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Those you list are trick plays that anybody can run... that has nothing to do with how deep the playbook goes. Going deep in the playbook means Pyrons ability to recognize defensive alignments pre-snap and read what they are doing, giving your receivers option routes, etc. Basically with Pyron we are just calling a play from the sidelines and let the offense run it with maybe one checkdown.
 
GT65_UGA89 said:
Sim_ or Pyron plays vs UVA we are 5-4 with a good shot at a bowl bid.
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Well, yeah. Both are good enough to beat UVA if given an entire game to do so.

What I saw with Pyron was just a different way of getting to the same place you get with Sims. Both have an OL and OC to overcome.
 
GoGATech said:
We have a much larger playbook with Sims in, and he's more dynamic with his legs. Just because we had 460 yards under Pyron doesn't mean we wouldn't have had that or more with Sims. There were some reads and throws Pyron missed that I think Jeff would have hit.
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Pyron missing reads at this point is understandable, but Sims has and continues to miss reads after 3+ years. Most QBs separate themselves from other QBs above the shoulders. Sims is more athletic than Tom Brady....nuff said.
 
GoGATech said:
Those you list are trick plays that anybody can run... that has nothing to do with how deep the playbook goes. Going deep in the playbook means Pyrons ability to recognize defensive alignments pre-snap and read what they are doing, giving your receivers option routes, etc. Basically with Pyron we are just calling a play from the sidelines and let the offense run it with maybe one checkdown.
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You think Sims is making checks at the line and pre snap adjustments based on the defense? He isn’t any more than ZP did last week.

We were running empty sets with ZP. That puts as much pressure on the QB as any to read the defense quickly and make a decisive throw. I don’t know that we’ve run empty with any QB in the last 15 years. We aren’t more limited with him at QB.
 
The Champ said:
You think Sims is making checks at the line and pre snap adjustments based on the defense? He isn’t any more than ZP did last week.

We were running empty sets with ZP. That puts as much pressure on the QB as any to read the defense quickly and make a decisive throw. I don’t know that we’ve run empty with any QB in the last 15 years. We aren’t more limited with him at QB.
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That's a dumb take... for starters, we absolutely have run empty sets with Jeff. Secondly, we primarily have a back with him because we run a LOT of zone read, RPO, etc., with him back there, or either we are running deep routes and are giving him more protection because of our weak OL. You can think we aren't limited with ZP at QB all you want, but I'll take our HC's word for it over your opinion.
 
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