Article: No MNCs ever again

Yet we didn't win the MNC, which is what the discussion is about.

Here's a list of teams that have won the MNC in the 2000s with the home stadium capacity.

Alabama (101k)
Auburn (87k)
Clemson (81k)
Florida State (82k)
Florida (88k)
Ohio State (101k)
LSU (92k)
Texas (80k)
USC (92k)
Oklahoma (72k)
Miami (74k)

Does any one of those schools looks like one that was an unexpected winner? Does any of those schools look anything like GT? The closest is Miami (they share a stadium...if they had their own it would probably be built with a capacity closer to 50k), but it last won in 2001 on the back of a whole host of scandals and corruption.

Pretty much every other school is a big state school which would be considered a "football factory" type of school.

With coaching salaries exploding, a playoff system which can only get larger, it's only gonna get harder for non football factory types of colleges to win an MNC.

If a team that has been struggling with paying fired basketball coaches and hasn't invested in facilities as much as even Duke or North Carolina in the last decade was 8 points shy of making the playoffs, then with some improved effort, which is what we're seeing with TStan, and a little bit of improved recruiting, we don't need to become a football factory to have a shot at the title.
 
Yet we didn't win the MNC, which is what the discussion is about.

Here's a list of teams that have won the MNC in the 2000s with the home stadium capacity.

Alabama (101k)
Auburn (87k)
Clemson (81k)
Florida State (82k)
Florida (88k)
Ohio State (101k)
LSU (92k)
Texas (80k)
USC (92k)
Oklahoma (72k)
Miami (74k)

Does any one of those schools looks like one that was an unexpected winner? Does any of those schools look anything like GT? The closest is Miami (they share a stadium...if they had their own it would probably be built with a capacity closer to 50k), but it last won in 2001 on the back of a whole host of scandals and corruption.

Pretty much every other school is a big state school which would be considered a "football factory" type of school.

With coaching salaries exploding, a playoff system which can only get larger, it's only gonna get harder for non football factory types of colleges to win an MNC.
Erudite and well presented. And just think of how some other "large capacity stadium" schools such as Georgia, Texas A & M, Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin, and Tennessee who haven't won must feel.
 
Winning a national title is harder now in the era of conference expansion. Power 5 schools play several challenging conference games, perhaps one or two more difficult contests out of conference, a conference championship game plus a two game playoff. The margin for how many you can lose and still win a title is for the majority of schools, only one. In 1990 we had seven conference games. UGA was not exceptionally good that year. We played only eleven regular season games and no conference championship. Also, even though the Power 5 schools dominate, there are plenty of other schools that have stepped up their programs because they are at least part of the highest division and want to compete. Look at the athletes going to USF and UCF and some of the success they have had - in 1990 they were not in the mix at all.

With all of that said winning a title is not impossible. UCF proved you can get mighty close to winning a title without being in a Power 5 conference. But, they may actually have an advantage over a school like us competing with 13 other big time programs in one conference. So, my opinion is winning a title now is hard, yes, much harder than it has been ever before, but impossible, no.
 
Here is a list of schools that did not win a MNC since the 2000's
UCLA
UTenn
VTech
U of Michigan
Stanford
Oregon
Washington State
Georgia
Texas Tech
North Carolina
Penn State
Nebraska


Yet we didn't win the MNC, which is what the discussion is about.

Here's a list of teams that have won the MNC in the 2000s with the home stadium capacity.

Alabama (101k)
Auburn (87k)
Clemson (81k)
Florida State (82k)
Florida (88k)
Ohio State (101k)
LSU (92k)
Texas (80k)
USC (92k)
Oklahoma (72k)
Miami (74k)

Does any one of those schools looks like one that was an unexpected winner? Does any of those schools look anything like GT? The closest is Miami (they share a stadium...if they had their own it would probably be built with a capacity closer to 50k), but it last won in 2001 on the back of a whole host of scandals and corruption.

Pretty much every other school is a big state school which would be considered a "football factory" type of school.

With coaching salaries exploding, a playoff system which can only get larger, it's only gonna get harder for non football factory types of colleges to win an MNC.
 
With coaching salaries exploding, a playoff system which can only get larger, it's only gonna get harder for non football factory types of colleges to win an MNC.
So having a more inclusive playoff system makes it harder for smaller schools to win a championship? This just goes to show you that if you're determined to have a certain point of view, ain't nothing gonna shake you from it.
 
Winning a national title is harder now in the era of conference expansion. Power 5 schools play several challenging conference games, perhaps one or two more difficult contests out of conference, a conference championship game plus a two game playoff. The margin for how many you can lose and still win a title is for the majority of schools, only one. In 1990 we had seven conference games. UGA was not exceptionally good that year. We played only eleven regular season games and no conference championship. Also, even though the Power 5 schools dominate, there are plenty of other schools that have stepped up their programs because they are at least part of the highest division and want to compete. Look at the athletes going to USF and UCF and some of the success they have had - in 1990 they were not in the mix at all.

With all of that said winning a title is not impossible. UCF proved you can get mighty close to winning a title without being in a Power 5 conference. But, they may actually have an advantage over a school like us competing with 13 other big time programs in one conference. So, my opinion is winning a title now is hard, yes, much harder than it has been ever before, but impossible, no.

Winning > gets mighty close.
 
So having a more inclusive playoff system makes it harder for smaller schools to win a championship? This just goes to show you that if you're determined to have a certain point of view, ain't nothing gonna shake you from it.
I think he's correct. If, and they deny it is going to happen, but if they were to expand the playoffs it wouldn't be to 12 or 16 teams. It might be six or eight. There will ALWAYS be six or eight powerful P5 teams. Even this past season, using Central Florida as an example, they might have made it into a field of eight. Might. But could they win three playoff games against that field? Doubtful. Just saying, it is getting harder every year for teams not in the highest echelon of college football to compete for the championship.
 
A 128 team playoff would be the hardest one to win, for sure, you'd have to beat so many playoff caliber teams.
 
So, my opinion is winning a title now is hard, yes, much harder than it has been ever before, but impossible, no.
Winning a MNC title was much harder in the pre-BCS days, when everything depended on polls and bowl match-ups set weeks before the end of the season.

Considered our 'shared' 1952 title. Mich St started out pre-season #1, and we started out pre-season #3. Mich St never lost and never budged from #1. We never lost, either, but immediately sank to #6, then moved up and down before settling into #2 in week 7. We won 2 games more than MSU, but the pollsters weren't going to admit they were wrong and demote a pre-season #1 that never lost in the sport's flagship conference. Today, we'd have a chance to beat 'em on the field.

As for the idea that things are totally different now because *now* some group of factory schools dominate everything... here's the final Top 10 for the AP in 1952:
(1) Mich St
(2) Ga Tech
(3) Notre Dame
(4) Oklahoma
(5) USC
(6) UCLA
(7) Ole Miss
(8) Tennessee
(9) Alabama
(10) Texas

The more things change...
 
Winning a MNC title was much harder in the pre-BCS days, when everything depended on polls and bowl match-ups set weeks before the end of the season.

Considered our 'shared' 1952 title. Mich St started out pre-season #1, and we started out pre-season #3. Mich St never lost and never budged from #1. We never lost, either, but immediately sank to #6, then moved up and down before settling into #2 in week 7. We won 2 games more than MSU, but the pollsters weren't going to admit they were wrong and demote a pre-season #1 that never lost in the sport's flagship conference. Today, we'd have a chance to beat 'em on the field.

As for the idea that things are totally different now because *now* some group of factory schools dominate everything... here's the final Top 10 for the AP in 1952:
(1) Mich St
(2) Ga Tech
(3) Notre Dame
(4) Oklahoma
(5) USC
(6) UCLA
(7) Ole Miss
(8) Tennessee
(9) Alabama
(10) Texas

The more things change...
öööö the AP with a pole.
 
Winning a MNC title was much harder in the pre-BCS days, when everything depended on polls and bowl match-ups set weeks before the end of the season.

Considered our 'shared' 1952 title. Mich St started out pre-season #1, and we started out pre-season #3. Mich St never lost and never budged from #1. We never lost, either, but immediately sank to #6, then moved up and down before settling into #2 in week 7. We won 2 games more than MSU, but the pollsters weren't going to admit they were wrong and demote a pre-season #1 that never lost in the sport's flagship conference. Today, we'd have a chance to beat 'em on the field.

As for the idea that things are totally different now because *now* some group of factory schools dominate everything... here's the final Top 10 for the AP in 1952:
(1) Mich St
(2) Ga Tech
(3) Notre Dame
(4) Oklahoma
(5) USC
(6) UCLA
(7) Ole Miss
(8) Tennessee
(9) Alabama
(10) Texas

The more things change...
It's been 66 years since that list was made. And while there is a high degree of name recognition still associated with those ten names, only a few are the caliber of program that deserves mention anymore. Oklahoma and Alabama still dominate, but have had their ups and downs over the past few decades. The remaining eight have had problems consistently breaking into the top twenty-five. It might not be likely, but there are at least two or three teams in each of the five major conferences that might replace these ten teams this year. At the end of this year a completely different top ten.
 
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