Article: No MNCs ever again

atlanta jacket said:
With coaching salaries by the 10 or 12 big time factories , he is probably correct. We are never going to pay 7 mil a year for a HC. Like i said in an earlier post there will end up being only about a dozen schools who can actually win the NATTY.
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I disagree. I watched our team go 10-2, with losses to teams they shouldn't have lost on paper, beat uga, lose by 2 points to a team that made the rose bowl to play for the semifinal, and then go on to destroy a Mississippi State team that was top 10 ranked all season and ranked number 1 at some point. With Ted Roof as our DC and Sewak as our OL coach. They can pay their coaches 20 million dollars, sometimes all it takes is a great quarterback and a defense that can make the stop at the right time. It's not out of the realm of possibility. Especially now that we're making a legitimate attempt to revitalize the program. Defeatist loser attitude only serves to wallow in misery. Nothing else. It's not being a realist.
 
Akinji07 said:
I disagree. I watched our team go 10-2, with losses to teams they shouldn't have lost on paper, beat uga, lose by 2 points to a team that made the rose bowl to play for the semifinal, and then go on to destroy a Mississippi State team that was top 10 ranked all season and ranked number 1 at some point. With Ted Roof as our DC and Sewak as our OL coach. They can pay their coaches 20 million dollars, sometimes all it takes is a great quarterback and a defense that can make the stop at the right time. It's not out of the realm of possibility. Especially now that we're making a legitimate attempt to revitalize the program. Defeatist loser attitude only serves to wallow in misery. Nothing else. It's not being a realist.
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Fair is fair:

Beat teams we shouldn’t have beat on paper

Miss St didn’t have a DC for the Orange Bowl

FSU got absolutely housed by Oregon in the playoff.

That said, I agree that it isn’t beyond the realm of possibility for us to win one again but you have to admit we are at a sizeable and distinct disadvantage in this landscape.
 
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killerbuzz42 said:
Fair is fair:

Beat teams we shouldn’t have beat on paper

Miss St didn’t have a DC for the Orange Bowl

FSU got absolutely housed by Oregon in the playoff.

That said, I agree that it isn’t beyond the realm of prossibility for us to win one again but you have to admit we are at a sizeable and distinct disadvantage in this landscape.
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Yes, we have a lot of handicaps but wasn't it Bobby Dodd who said, we're never going to outsize them so we're going to outsmart them? This is not a new problem for a Georgia Tech and yet we still have a more recent championship than uga. We have a coach who can beat Goliaths if he has a 4 star quarterback and a couple of decent linemen with his gimmicky high school offense. The guys who get paid ridiculous amounts of money to coach big10 or SEC schools are already getting 5 star recruits without even having to try. I trust Paul Johnson's offensive scheme and I'm very excited to see how Woody turns out. With a little bit of improved recruiting I dont see it impossible to be a consistently good team that plays for acc championship every year or every other year. Which in turn will improve recruiting more and yeah we might see a playoff and a title run in the near future. And in the far future, who knows how the cfb landscape will look like.
 
Akinji07 said:
Yes, we have a lot of handicaps but wasn't it Bobby Dodd who said, we're never going to outsize them so we're going to outsmart them? This is not a new problem for a Georgia Tech and yet we still have a more recent championship than uga. We have a coach who can beat Goliaths if he has a 4 star quarterback and a couple of decent linemen with his gimmicky high school offense. The guys who get paid ridiculous amounts of money to coach big10 or SEC schools are already getting 5 star recruits without even having to try. I trust Paul Johnson's offensive scheme and I'm very excited to see how Woody turns out. With a little bit of improved recruiting I dont see it impossible to be a consistently good team that plays for acc championship every year or every other year. Which in turn will improve recruiting more and yeah we might see a playoff and a title run in the near future. And in the far future, who knows how the cfb landscape will look like.
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Dammit Akinji, you are not making this offseason any easier to bear.
 
Akinji07 said:
Yes, we have a lot of handicaps but wasn't it Bobby Dodd who said, we're never going to outsize them so we're going to outsmart them? This is not a new problem for a Georgia Tech and yet we still have a more recent championship than uga. We have a coach who can beat Goliaths if he has a 4 star quarterback and a couple of decent linemen with his gimmicky high school offense. The guys who get paid ridiculous amounts of money to coach big10 or SEC schools are already getting 5 star recruits without even having to try. I trust Paul Johnson's offensive scheme and I'm very excited to see how Woody turns out. With a little bit of improved recruiting I dont see it impossible to be a consistently good team that plays for acc championship every year or every other year. Which in turn will improve recruiting more and yeah we might see a playoff and a title run in the near future. And in the far future, who knows how the cfb landscape will look like.
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Wasn’t it Jesus Christ who said ‘the problem with Georgia Tech is that with the exception of the scant few years at the end of father GOL’s tenure, they’ve been totally inept in the modern era at being good for consecutive seasons. It’s infuriating, really. I mean, who saw the flop in 2010 coming? And 2015, are you freakin kidding!? A few good seasons in a row would really be a shot in the arm for that program on all fronts’?

Or maybe that was Al Davis?
 
atlanta jacket said:
With coaching salaries by the 10 or 12 big time factories , he is probably correct. We are never going to pay 7 mil a year for a HC. Like i said in an earlier post there will end up being only about a dozen schools who can actually win the NATTY.
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Coaching salary is hardly the most important factor. Plenty of coaches pull in giant paychecks and don't deliver. Rich Rodriguez was the 5th highest coach in the country last year, Mike Leach was the 38th highest. Size of paycheck has more to do with the size of the school than the quality of the coach. All the SEC schools have been throwing money at coaches for years... aside from the one in Tuscaloosa, most of them haven't been delivering. Do you really wish Butch Jones or Jim McElwain or Bret Bielema was the coach at GT... but darn it we just couldn't afford them?
 
18in32 said:
Coaching salary is hardly the most important factor. Plenty of coaches pull in giant paychecks and don't deliver. Rich Rodriguez was the 5th highest coach in the country last year, Mike Leach was the 38th highest. Size of paycheck has more to do with the size of the school than the quality of the coach. All the SEC schools have been throwing money at coaches for years... aside from the one in Tuscaloosa, most of them haven't been delivering. Do you really wish Butch Jones or Jim McElwain or Bret Bielema was the coach at GT... but darn it we just couldn't afford them?
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That's a good point. More focus should be put on assistants and recruiting budgets which I believe we are doing.
 
18in32 said:
Coaching salary is hardly the most important factor. Plenty of coaches pull in giant paychecks and don't deliver. Rich Rodriguez was the 5th highest coach in the country last year, Mike Leach was the 38th highest. Size of paycheck has more to do with the size of the school than the quality of the coach. All the SEC schools have been throwing money at coaches for years... aside from the one in Tuscaloosa, most of them haven't been delivering. Do you really wish Butch Jones or Jim McElwain or Bret Bielema was the coach at GT... but darn it we just couldn't afford them?
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The salary is where we get stuffed, if we find a hot coach a factory will give him 7 mil a year to leave and he will. GT will never pay that and so we are in the catch 22 with everyone else except the dirty dozen who will pay unrealistic salaries. You can believe it or not
 
atlanta jacket said:
The salary is where we get stuffed, if we find a hot coach a factory will give him 7 mil a year to leave and he will. GT will never pay that and so we are in the catch 22 with everyone else except the dirty dozen who will pay unrealistic salaries. You can believe it or not
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You misunderstand the world. You can believe it or not. Internetting is fun!

You're obviously too young to remember, or too old to remember, that we've hired the hot coach before, and paid him more than his school could pay him. And it was the biggest fiasco in decades. If only we had been a little poorer! Who knows how much better we might be today.
 
18in32 said:
You misunderstand the world. You can believe it or not. Internetting is fun!

You're obviously too young to remember, or too old to remember, that we've hired the hot coach before, and paid him more than his school could pay him. And it was the biggest fiasco in decades. If only we had been a little poorer! Who knows how much better we might be today.
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Tel that to Central FL
 
atlanta jacket said:
Tel that to Central FL
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How about you tell it to Texas, which lured Charlie Strong from Louisville? Or how about you tell it to Tennessee, which lured Derek Dooley from La. Tech? Or how about you tell it to Colorado, which lured Dan Hawkins from Boise St.? Or how about you tell it Michigan, which lured Rich Rodriguez from West Virginia?

Dude, the number of examples is limitless. Big schools hired coaches from smaller schools all the time. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. But having plenty of money (and great recruiting, and huge stadiums, and many other factors that supposedly cripple GT) has not prevented Texas and Tennessee from being pretty mediocre of late.
 
atlanta jacket said:
With coaching salaries by the 10 or 12 big time factories , he is probably correct. We are never going to pay 7 mil a year for a HC. Like i said in an earlier post there will end up being only about a dozen schools who can actually win the NATTY.
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Never say "never". Just ten years ago we were paying Chan $950k and many thought that was outrageous. Now we have a coach making triple that for marginally better performance. If we want to participate, we will pay the market rate.
 
Yukonwreck said:
Never say "never". Just ten years ago we were paying Chan $950k and many thought that was outrageous. Now we have a coach making triple that for marginally better performance. If we want to participate, we will pay the market rate.
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If the marginally better performance was alot better he would be at a factory today.
 
Akinji07 said:
Yes, we have a lot of handicaps but wasn't it Bobby Dodd who said, we're never going to outsize them so we're going to outsmart them? This is not a new problem for a Georgia Tech and yet we still have a more recent championship than uga. We have a coach who can beat Goliaths if he has a 4 star quarterback and a couple of decent linemen with his gimmicky high school offense. The guys who get paid ridiculous amounts of money to coach big10 or SEC schools are already getting 5 star recruits without even having to try. I trust Paul Johnson's offensive scheme and I'm very excited to see how Woody turns out. With a little bit of improved recruiting I dont see it impossible to be a consistently good team that plays for acc championship every year or every other year. Which in turn will improve recruiting more and yeah we might see a playoff and a title run in the near future. And in the far future, who knows how the cfb landscape will look like.
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I don't have anything to add - I just thought this post should be highlighted.
 
Akinji07 said:
I disagree. I watched our team go 10-2, with losses to teams they shouldn't have lost on paper, beat uga, lose by 2 points to a team that made the rose bowl to play for the semifinal, and then go on to destroy a Mississippi State team that was top 10 ranked all season and ranked number 1 at some point. With Ted Roof as our DC and Sewak as our OL coach. They can pay their coaches 20 million dollars, sometimes all it takes is a great quarterback and a defense that can make the stop at the right time. It's not out of the realm of possibility. Especially now that we're making a legitimate attempt to revitalize the program. Defeatist loser attitude only serves to wallow in misery. Nothing else. It's not being a realist.
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Yet we didn't win the MNC, which is what the discussion is about.

Here's a list of teams that have won the MNC in the 2000s with the home stadium capacity.

Alabama (101k)
Auburn (87k)
Clemson (81k)
Florida State (82k)
Florida (88k)
Ohio State (101k)
LSU (92k)
Texas (80k)
USC (92k)
Oklahoma (72k)
Miami (74k)

Does any one of those schools looks like one that was an unexpected winner? Does any of those schools look anything like GT? The closest is Miami (they share a stadium...if they had their own it would probably be built with a capacity closer to 50k), but it last won in 2001 on the back of a whole host of scandals and corruption.

Pretty much every other school is a big state school which would be considered a "football factory" type of school.

With coaching salaries exploding, a playoff system which can only get larger, it's only gonna get harder for non football factory types of colleges to win an MNC.
 
rghoae said:
Yet we didn't win the MNC, which is what the discussion is about.

Here's a list of teams that have won the MNC in the 2000s with the home stadium capacity.

Alabama (101k)
Auburn (87k)
Clemson (81k)
Florida State (82k)
Florida (88k)
Ohio State (101k)
LSU (92k)
Texas (80k)
USC (92k)
Oklahoma (72k)
Miami (74k)

Does any one of those schools looks like one that was an unexpected winner? Does any of those schools look anything like GT? The closest is Miami (they share a stadium...if they had their own it would probably be built with a capacity closer to 50k), but it last won in 2001 on the back of a whole host of scandals and corruption.

Pretty much every other school is a big state school which would be considered a "football factory" type of school.

With coaching salaries exploding, a playoff system which can only get larger, it's only gonna get harder for non football factory types of colleges to win an MNC.
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