Big 12 Doesn't Expand

Big 12 was screwed either way. If they expand they kill the conference because Fox and ESPN could not afford the contract increase in rights fees given the current hemorrhage of subscribers to cord cutters. If they dont expand, they continue to get looked at as the weakest P5 conference and will eventually go the route of the old Big East. Damned if they do, damned if they dont.
 
TennesseeJacket said:
If the Big 12 breaks up i wouldn't be surprised if the SEC invites Oklahoma and Oklahoma St into the SEC.
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They would want Texas if possible, but a new TV market if they can't have Texas. Texas is a big bag of cats and they already have A&M, plus Texas thinks they can go independent anyway. So my guess would be OU and Virginia Tech, WVU or NC State.
 
Flywheel said:
They would want Texas if possible, but a new TV market if they can't have Texas. Texas is a big bag of cats and they already have A&M, plus Texas thinks they can go independent anyway. So my guess would be OU and Virginia Tech, WVU or NC State.
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Poaching ACC schools would be a mess. No one knows what TX would do. It would be opposed by ATM (or any TX school).

OU would be the biggest football name. Kansas, ironically, would be a good get as most of Kansas City would follow (Mizzou isn't huge there even though they are the state school).
 
WracerX said:
Poaching ACC schools would be a mess. No one knows what TX would do. It would be opposed by ATM (or any TX school).

OU would be the biggest football name. Kansas, ironically, would be a good get as most of Kansas City would follow (Mizzou isn't huge there even though they are the state school).
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Why would any ACC school leave to go play a time zone, or two, away? It would be hard on the S/A's and travel expenses would be greatly increased, especially for the Carolina schools. Clemson, UNC, Dook, Wake, NC State don't have to really go all that far to play each other. We don't have to travel far to play Clemson. Miami is an easy and cheap flight. The ACC is pretty well set until Notre Dame finally is forced to join full time. I don't see a reason for anyone to leave now.
 
JJacket said:
Why would any ACC school leave to go play a time zone, or two, away? It would be hard on the S/A's and travel expenses would be greatly increased, especially for the Carolina schools. Clemson, UNC, Dook, Wake, NC State don't have to really go all that far to play each other. We don't have to travel far to play Clemson. Miami is an easy and cheap flight. The ACC is pretty well set until Notre Dame finally is forced to join full time. I don't see a reason for anyone to leave now.
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This. And then there's that GOR issue. ACC is about as locked up as locked up can get.
 
Especially with Notre Dame on the brink..

No ACC school is leaving the conference, imo
 
Flywheel said:
They would want Texas if possible, but a new TV market if they can't have Texas. Texas is a big bag of cats and they already have A&M, plus Texas thinks they can go independent anyway. So my guess would be OU and Virginia Tech, WVU or NC State.
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OU and Virginia Tech would probably be targets of the SEC you're right about that
 
JJacket said:
Why would any ACC school leave to go play a time zone, or two, away? It would be hard on the S/A's and travel expenses would be greatly increased, especially for the Carolina schools. Clemson, UNC, Dook, Wake, NC State don't have to really go all that far to play each other. We don't have to travel far to play Clemson. Miami is an easy and cheap flight. The ACC is pretty well set until Notre Dame finally is forced to join full time. I don't see a reason for anyone to leave now.
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I think eventually the SEC will expand again and i think candidates for invitation to the SEC are Virginia Tech,West Virginia,Miami,Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. Texas would never be invited because the SEC wouldn't be big enough for both Alabama and Texas because there might be constant infighting.
 
JJacket said:
Why would any ACC school leave to go play a time zone, or two, away? It would be hard on the S/A's and travel expenses would be greatly increased, especially for the Carolina schools. Clemson, UNC, Dook, Wake, NC State don't have to really go all that far to play each other. We don't have to travel far to play Clemson. Miami is an easy and cheap flight. The ACC is pretty well set until Notre Dame finally is forced to join full time. I don't see a reason for anyone to leave now.
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Why, you ask?

$$$

Don't for 1 minute assume the makers of these decisions care an ounce about the S/As.
 
Flywheel said:
Why, you ask?

$$$

Don't for 1 minute assume the makers of these decisions care an ounce about the S/As.
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Right now i could see the SEC going after ACC teams Virginia Tech and Miami. I think both teams could very well leave the ACC if asked,
 
I think the ACC is eventually going to offer Texas the same deal as Notre Dame: independent in football and all other sports in conference with a contract on 5 football games a year. Then the SEC will get OK and OK St. Kansas will go to the B10 and all the other Big XII schools will be left scrambling for a home.
 
The Big 12 is all about Texas and Oklahoma. They run the conference. There is zero incentive for either of them to go to another conference. The big12 isn't going anywhere. I don't understand everyone's obsession with ending the big 12.
 
Scorpionwingz said:
I think the ACC is eventually going to offer Texas the same deal as Notre Dame: independent in football and all other sports in conference with a contract on 5 football games a year. Then the SEC will get OK and OK St. Kansas will go to the B10 and all the other Big XII schools will be left scrambling for a home.
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I think Kansas State,Baylor,TCU and Texas Tech could very well be invited to the American Athletic Conference,
 
JJacket said:
Why would any ACC school leave to go play a time zone, or two, away? It would be hard on the S/A's and travel expenses would be greatly increased, especially for the Carolina schools. Clemson, UNC, Dook, Wake, NC State don't have to really go all that far to play each other. We don't have to travel far to play Clemson. Miami is an easy and cheap flight. The ACC is pretty well set until Notre Dame finally is forced to join full time. I don't see a reason for anyone to leave now.
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I was talking about the SEC poaching an ACC school. I just don't see that happening with the who broadcast rights deal. VT or NCSt may feel like they are SEC material, but they aren't going anywhere.
 
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