Big 12 Doesn't Expand

Right now i could see the SEC going after ACC teams Virginia Tech and Miami. I think both teams could very well leave the ACC if asked,

Why would the SEC do that? It's a net zero revenue wise at best for them (the SEC) and a net negative for the school for the foreseeable future. Nobody is going anywhere from the ACC at least until 2032-33 or so unless the current revenue streams change significantly. Given all the cord clipping that is going on currently, It's a pretty big gamble to expect ESPN, or any other sports network, being very motivated to continue the contract escalation we have seen in the recent past moving forward anytime soon.
 
Why would the SEC do that? It's a net zero revenue wise at best for them (the SEC) and a net negative for the school for the foreseeable future. Nobody is going anywhere from the ACC at least until 2032-33 or so unless the current revenue streams change significantly. Given all the cord clipping that is going on currently, It's a pretty big gamble to expect ESPN, or any other sports network, being very motivated to continue the contract escalation we have seen in the recent past moving forward anytime soon.
Virginia Tech would expand the viewers of SEC sports into a new market just like Texas A&M did. VT would be a great team for the SEC to add.
 
The Big 12 is all about Texas and Oklahoma. They run the conference. There is zero incentive for either of them to go to another conference. The big12 isn't going anywhere. I don't understand everyone's obsession with ending the big 12.

There is huge incentive for OU. Not having to deal with Texas anymore.
 
The Big 12 is all about Texas and Oklahoma. They run the conference. There is zero incentive for either of them to go to another conference. The big12 isn't going anywhere. I don't understand everyone's obsession with ending the big 12.

The big 12 is dead, if only because it is finally time to change the stupid name of the conference. :lol:
 
UNC is the only ACC school that would add much to the SEC. Basketball, you get the state of NC, potential for football, good baseball team, a lot of other sports.

VT has football and not much beyond that.
 
UNC is the only ACC school that would add much to the SEC. Basketball, you get the state of NC, potential for football, good baseball team, a lot of other sports.

VT has football and not much beyond that.

Let's not forget the most important part, that the fit the academic profile as well - none.
 
i dont see Miami on their list at all. a small private school that claims to be academic and has a strong NE profile

not SEC type at all imo
VT much more so of the ACC teams

UCF might be an interesting look for them too. a big florida school on the rise
 
i dont see Miami on their list at all. a small private school that claims to be academic and has a strong NE profile

not SEC type at all imo
VT much more so of the ACC teams

UCF might be an interesting look for them too. a big florida school on the rise
I've seen NCSU mentioned also. I thing they would be another South Carolina or Missouri
 
I don't get the NC State to the SEC. UNC is much more appealing than NC State.
 
I don't get the NC State to the SEC. UNC is much more appealing than NC State.
I think UNC wants to stay in the ACC because of basketball. NCSU would get the SEC into North Carolina but NCSU is as appealing as South Carolina or Missouri
 
Virginia Tech would expand the viewers of SEC sports into a new market just like Texas A&M did. VT would be a great team for the SEC to add.

No question there. It would expand the SEC's footprint into Virginia. But what's that worth? There's only a little over 8.3 million people in Virginia. The last census data had about 2.58 people per household national average. Considering about 54% cable subscription penetration,(and that rate is falling quarter by quarter) that's about 1.74 million subscriptions. Of that, how many do you think would pay extra for SEC network? Lets go crazy and say 50% of ALL the cable subscribers in Virginia sign up, so that's 870,000 subscriptions. SECnw is pretty high on the rate, the highest I believe for a conference network, at about 0.66 per subscriber per month. So we're talking roughly 6.9 million in additional annual revenue, and that's probably a high estimate. Now, nobody really knows what the split is between ESPN and the SEC other than those privy to the contract, but it is believed to be a very generous 50/50. So that's an additional 3.45 million for the SEC in contract revenues from the SECnw. Currently, the SEC divided out roughly 462 million, or 33m per school. Add VT and that split falls to 30.8m, or 31.03m WITH the additional SECnw revenues that VT would project to bring to the table.

Obviously, that's not the only revenue stream to consider with the addition of a school to the SEC, but it's pretty much the only immediate, contracted, guarenteed impact. Does the addition of VT spur ESPN to renegotiate the current SEC contract up a significant amount? Maybe, maybe not, and if so, how much? VT is already on ESPN. VT fans in Virginny are already watching VT when they are on ESPN. How many more new subscribers in Virginia will they get just because VT is in the SEC vs the ACC? Will they be able to command significantly more advertiser revenue? Also, consider that VT will be on the ACCnw starting in 2019. ESPN has a vested interest to maximize new conference network subscribers in the region, will they get more new SECnw subscribers plus ACCnw subscibers with VT in the SEC and UVA in the ACC or more net subscibers with new ACCnw subscibers with VT and UVA in the ACC? That's a big "if". Would VT give the SEC more net bowl revenues or a higher probability of getting more teams in NY6 bowls? I doubt it.

All the above doesn't even consider that for the next 20 years ALL VT's media rights, including revenue, for all home games would remain with the ACC regardless of the school's affiliation. Unless the revenue stream differences between the P5 conferences changes significantly, with the 20 year GOR the ACC currently holds, nobody from the ACC is going anywhere.

When the SEC added TAMu, that decision increased there footprint to 27 million people. A little different proposition than VT.
 
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There are a lot of VPISU fans in D.C.

Yes there are. About 659k people in DC. Still doesn't move the needle enough to make VT a net positive for the SEC from a per institution revenue perspective. There is a reason VT had to blackmail and extort their way into the ACC.
 
If OU couldn't deal with Texas, they would have left in '11 or '12 and had their pick of which conference they wanted to be in.

Could they have, though? OU is near Oklahoma City. A&M is in College Station, sandwiched between Houston, Austin, San Antonio, and Dallas/Fort Worth. It's all about TV markets. There's a reason they didn't chase after Texas Tech in Lubbock, which is 100 miles south of Amarillo.
 
Could they have, though? OU is near Oklahoma City. A&M is in College Station, sandwiched between Houston, Austin, San Antonio, and Dallas/Fort Worth. It's all about TV markets. There's a reason they didn't chase after Texas Tech in Lubbock, which is 100 miles south of Amarillo.

Yes, they could have. If you don't think they could have a few years ago why would they be able to now? Do you think the SEC took Missouri because they were more appealing than OU?
 
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