Big 12 Doesn't Expand

ramblin' wagon said:
Yes, they could have. If you don't think they could have a few years ago why would they be able to now? Do you think the SEC took Missouri because they were more appealing than OU?
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I think they took Missouri because the St Louis TV market is more appealing than the Oklahoma City TV market.
 
I would love to see SEC add two from the west - say the two Oklahoma schools. Divisions would be a no brainer - West - Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, A&M, Missouri, Arkansas, LSU, Ole Miss, Miss State and East - Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Florida, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, South Carolina, Kentucky. How many championships would you foresee in Georgia's future?
 
77GTFan said:
I would love to see SEC add two from the west - say the two Oklahoma schools. Divisions would be a no brainer - West - Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, A&M, Missouri, Arkansas, LSU, Ole Miss, Miss State and East - Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Florida, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, South Carolina, Kentucky. How many championships would you foresee in Georgia's future?
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Georgia would be middle of the pack for many years to come.
 
Flywheel said:
They would want Texas if possible, but a new TV market if they can't have Texas. Texas is a big bag of cats and they already have A&M, plus Texas thinks they can go independent anyway. So my guess would be OU and Virginia Tech, WVU or NC State.
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West Virginia and the SEC would be a match made in hillbilly heaven
 
I got the impression that OU and OSU were a package deal. That is a princess and a pig package. OU may carry their weight in advertising dollars, but they don't add enough for two.
 
There is no chance that the SEC goes for Clemson, FSU, or UCF. They add zero markets and current schools will fight it. They will not expand unless Texas or Oklahoma is part of the deal and the GOR would make WVU the most likely match if they can't get both. Kansas is a prime target for the B1G or PAC12. I could see Texas and Kansas going PAC 12 and Oklahoma and WVU going SEC. Swapping VT for Vanderbilt could be a win/win though.
 
I think the Big 10 scores big and swipes both Notre Dame and Texas.

The ACC goes for WVU and TCU.

SEC goes for OU and VPI.

ACC replaces VPI with Cincinatti.

PAC12 takes Kansas, KS State, OK State, and Texas Tech.

Iowa State gets royally screwed.
 
Flywheel said:
I think the Big 10 scores big and swipes both Notre Dame and Texas.

The ACC goes for WVU and TCU.

SEC goes for OU and VPI.

ACC replaces VPI with Cincinatti.

PAC12 takes Kansas, KS State, OK State, and Texas Tech.

Iowa State gets royally screwed.
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Iowa State to the American Athletic Conference
 
Notre Dame is already ACC in everything but football, dont think they will move
 
Vespid said:
Really? When did Maryland participate in all sports they fielded teams with except for football when they were in the ACC?
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Really. Don't go full retard on semantics and miss the point that's as obvious as your own nose.

Maryland did a lot more than just "also play football". They were a founding member of the ACC, and they left. They had no standing rivalries with Big 10 schools. Notre Dame does. Notre Dame has one toe in the door with the ACC because they're afraid of being left out in the cold if we all go to 4 16-team conferences with playoff spots. But make no mistake: beyond that fear, the ties binding Notre Dame to the ACC are about as durable as wet toilet paper.
 
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ND can't go to the Big 10 until 2025 (or whenever the ACC's newest TV deal ends). They are contractually bound to the ACC in football, if they choose a conference.


EDIT: The ACC's newest deal goes through 2035. ND isn't going to the Big 10.
 
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ScionOfSouthland said:
I'm curious why some of you think the Big 12 is dead
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Find Iowa State's AD's comments. The Big 12 is only a conference because of Texas and Oklahoma. The difference between the Haves and the Have Nots in that conference is exponentially greater than any other conference. It's UT and OU and every one else. That breeds differences, infighting, and ultimately resentment. The Big 12 has the makings of every bad marriage. It's playing itself in full public view.

Everyone not named UT and OU struck gold just right when the sports TV packages were in the middle of a gigantic boom. TV vastly overpaid the Big 12. Outside of the state of Texas, what's valuable about those dust bowl markets that make up 60% of their footprint? Within that one valuable market segment, they've got it saturated with 4 members (and 5 if you want to wrap OU given their ties to the state of Texas).
 
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ElCidBUZZingFAN said:
Find Iowa State's AD's comments. The Big 12 is only a conference because of Texas and Oklahoma. The difference between the Haves and the Have Nots in that conference is exponentially greater than any other conference. It's UT and OU and every one else. That breeds differences, infighting, and ultimately resentment. The Big 12 has the makings of every bad marriage. It's playing itself in full public view.

Everyone not named UT and OU struck gold just right when the sports TV packages were in the middle of a gigantic boom. TV vastly overpaid the Big 12. Outside of the state of Texas, what's valuable about those dust bowl markets that make up 60% of their footprint? Within that one valuable market segment, they've got it saturated with 4 members (and 5 if you want to wrap OU given their ties to the state of Texas).
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If revenues were the deciding factor, it would seem that the current format of the conference would be most beneficial for everyone regardless of dysfunction. I could see how it would fall apart with Texas and Oklahoma leaving, but the likelihood of Texas leaving and working new rights/television contracts while the Longhorn Network exists, and making more money out of it, seems fairly unlikely right now. As long as Texas is still committed to the Big 12 I don't foresee the conference going anywhere.
 
ElCidBUZZingFAN said:
ND can't go to the Big 10 until 2025 (or whenever the ACC's newest TV deal ends). They are contractually bound to the ACC in football, if they choose a conference.


EDIT: The ACC's newest deal goes through 2035. ND isn't going to the Big 10.
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Exactly
 
ScionOfSouthland said:
If revenues were the deciding factor, it would seem that the current format of the conference would be most beneficial for everyone regardless of dysfunction. I could see how it would fall apart with Texas and Oklahoma leaving, but the likelihood of Texas leaving and working new rights/television contracts while the Longhorn Network exists, and making more money out of it, seems fairly unlikely right now. As long as Texas is still committed to the Big 12 I don't foresee the conference going anywhere.
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There are a bunch of outside shot scenarios that don't really exist for other conferences, because the contract value for the Big 12 is vulnerable to their lack of inventory and potentially other factors, like a slightly increased risk of repeated failure to make the playoff.

Texas has the independent ace in the hole that was floated a bit during the last round of real expansion when they were getting raided, which it could play at any time. It could potentially make more TV money for itself than it currently draws from the conference as an independent while simultaneously locking up more of the in state recruiting by scuttling the P5 status of the teams around it, which would also crush one of its biggest rivals.

OU could also precipitate Texas' independence, if the vulnerabilities in the contract value materialize and it tries to get out and go to the Pac 12 or elsewhere.

At this point it's not 'ded' ded. But compared to the other four, it's ded.
 
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