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Everyone keeps talking like next year is the end, but think about the reasoning behind a seven year contract for the “biggest rebuild in the history of EVAR”. Years 1-3 are a pass. Next year is the first year of a standard contract for a college coach. Who gets fired in year one? If you don’t want to see progress next year, you just aren’t looking. Collins doesn’t fail this contract until 2024. Strap in.
 
It wasn’t an argument that we should have hired Monken. It was just a simple statement of fact that Monken would have done better than 3 wins. There are plenty of other coaches that could too. I just named Monken cause Clown Boy came into Tech basically holding himself out as the savior from the 3/0
Agree. An Intramural coach could probably have won 3 games.
 
I think even Whiz, whom I really didn't want, would have.
He didn’t want you/us either so no harm, no foul, no imaginary win totals
Everyone keeps talking like next year is the end, but think about the reasoning behind a seven year contract for the “biggest rebuild in the history of EVAR”. Years 1-3 are a pass. Next year is the first year of a standard contract for a college coach. Who gets fired in year one? If you don’t want to see progress next year, you just aren’t looking. Collins doesn’t fail this contract until 2024. Strap in.
Sounds more like strap on to me
 
I hope you are not a lawyer, because most lawyers know the difference between a statement of fact and an opinion. If you are, you just lowered my opinion of lawyers, which I did not think was possible.
You’re over 60 years old and wasted your time to post this?
 
He didn’t want you/us either so no harm, no foul, no imaginary win totals

Sounds more like strap on to me
It doesn't matter who wanted what or whom, and my opinion of Whiz is just that, an opinion, but it is also my opinion that if he had wanted Tech, regardless of me and my opinion, my opinion now is that he would have done a helluva lot better than the clown we have.
 
Better than 3 wins for 3 seasons? Without a doubt, Monken would have.
Paul Johnson has forgotten more football than Monken knows. Paul Johnson could not recruit or have success with the TO anymore when he retired. Johnson is certainly better than Monken. What makes you think Monken could do better?
 
Paul Johnson has forgotten more football than Monken knows. Paul Johnson could not recruit or have success with the TO anymore when he retired. Johnson is certainly better than Monken. What makes you think Monken could do better?
I wasn’t comparing Monken to PJ. I was just saying Monken would win more than 3 games 3 seasons in a row. That is a FACT! :lol2: I was not advocating that we should have hired Monken or trying to get in an endless debate over the 3/0.
 
I wasn’t comparing Monken to PJ. I was just saying Monken would win more than 3 games 3 seasons in a row. That is a FACT! :lol2: I was not advocating that we should have hired Monken or trying to get in an endless debate over the 3/0.
I’m not sure that’s a fact if he doesn’t have Gibbs and Sims (he wouldn’t) and signs recruiting classes full of players that should be playing FCS—-he likely would.

The TO and any hybrid of the TO was dead and belonged 6 feet underground, never to be seen again on The Flats. T Stan got that right.
 
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I hope you are not a lawyer, because most lawyers know the difference between a statement of fact and an opinion. If you are, you just lowered my opinion of lawyers, which I did not think was possible.
Like any lawyer alive gives a hoot about your opinion!!!!!
 
I still find it hard to believe our AD had to give him a 7 year contract. I am not aware of any other P5 programs that were pursuing him.
Being the best recruiter does not win many games if you are a lousy head coach and an incompetent game manager.
It wasn't necessarily "him" that required the 7 year contract. Our administration had decided it was time to move on from the 3O. Nobody out there would have come in and had to undertake turning over our roster and shifting away from the option without a long contract, unless you wanted to hire somebody off the street with no coaching history whatsoever.
 
I’m not sure that’s a fact if he doesn’t have Gibbs and Sims (he wouldn’t) and signs recruiting classes full of players that should be playing FCS—-he likely would.

The TO and any hybrid of the TO was dead and belonged 6 feet underground, never to be seen again on The Flats. T Stan got that right.
I am truly amazed that some people hate the 3/0 so much they can’t agree with the obvious fact that it would’ve won 4 games in one of 3 seasons.

But like I said, there are a slew of coaches that could’ve done better than Gefoff. I’m not arguing the 3/0.

I’ve forgotten the original premise of your post. If it was a defense of Gefoff, I’d just remind you he has had a much bigger budget, bigger staff and higher ranked recruits than his predecessor. If there’s anyone I was to bury and erase from our program’s history, it’s Gefoff.
 
It wasn't necessarily "him" that required the 7 year contract. Our administration had decided it was time to move on from the 3O. Nobody out there would have come in and had to undertake turning over our roster and shifting away from the option without a long contract, unless you wanted to hire somebody off the street with no coaching history whatsoever.
Years five through seven should have been contingent on tangible progress in the number of wins. There are contract incentives for Collins. There are no performance thresholds protecting Tech.

Why did we not consider any young innovative coaches if we were willing to offer a seven year contract? In retrospect it seems we locked in on Collins from the beginning.

If our AD was concerned about the transition, he should have adjusted our out of conference schedule for at least five years to avoid unnecessary losses. When you go 3 and 9, strength of schedule does not matter. We desperately need wins and playing Georgia, Ole Miss, UCF and Western Carolina ooc is not the way to ensure that.
 
Years five through seven should have been contingent on tangible progress in the number of wins. There are contract incentives for Collins. There are no performance thresholds protecting Tech.

Why did we not consider any young innovative coaches if we were willing to offer a seven year contract? In retrospect it seems we locked in on Collins from the beginning.

If our AD was concerned about the transition, he should have adjusted our out of conference schedule for at least five years to avoid unnecessary losses. When you go 3 and 9, strength of schedule does not matter. We desperately need wins and playing Georgia, Ole Miss, UCF and Western Carolina ooc is not the way to ensure that.
I agree the contract could/should have been written differently and maybe had more contingencies built-in, but as far as length that we were discussing earlier, I still believe anyone worth having would require one of that length. As far as scheduling goes, I don't think it's very plausible (maybe not even possible at all) to change any of those OOC games this late. Also, I don't think anybody expected it to be this rough going into year 4. I think a .500 team was expected by now and next year's schedule should be fine if we kept improving on that.
 
It wasn't necessarily "him" that required the 7 year contract. Our administration had decided it was time to move on from the 3O. Nobody out there would have come in and had to undertake turning over our roster and shifting away from the option without a long contract, unless you wanted to hire somebody off the street with no coaching history whatsoever.
3 million reasons no one would take it?
 
I’m not sure that’s a fact if he doesn’t have Gibbs and Sims (he wouldn’t) and signs recruiting classes full of players that should be playing FCS—-he likely would.

The TO and any hybrid of the TO was dead and belonged 6 feet underground, never to be seen again on The Flats. T Stan got that right.
Good coaching trumps recruiting stars all day everyday....
 
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