Catchall Deion Sanders Thread

ScionOfSouthland said:
Do you approve of what Sanders has done with the roster in Boulder?
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Absolutely and I’ve said that was Stansbury first, and maybe biggest mistake (outside of hiring him) was guaranteeing every scholarship when GC3. If you’re going to rebuild, let me do it my way. As we’ve learned with other programs and ours, there is 4-5 yrs to build a program. If you’re not ascending yr 3, you will be fired and CDS understands that
 
ibeeballin said:
Absolutely and I’ve said that was Stansbury first, and maybe biggest mistake (outside of hiring him) was guaranteeing every scholarship when GC3. If you’re going to rebuild, let me do it my way. As we’ve learned with other programs and ours, there is 4-5 yrs to build a program. If you’re not ascending yr 3, you will be fired and CDS understands that
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I agree with you 100% honestly. It's a completely different ballgame now, and you have to be ready to flip your roster if that's what it takes. Colorado is the ultimate case study on doing what it takes to win. I wish GT would take a little bit of that to heart.
 
I think the portal and NIL changes the ethics of processing players who underachieve. If an athlete isn’t fitting in, he can transfer to another program and most likely get a scholarship to continue with his eligibility. If he is at a P5 school and can’t even find a landing spot at a FCS program, he’s not worthy of the free ride, and it’s time to move on with life. No job they will ever have will keep them on the payroll if they can’t fit the job description. College football has become a well compensated, 5 year job, so it seems perfectly ethical to treat it like any other.
 
jacket67 said:
I think the portal and NIL changes the ethics of processing players who underachieve. If an athlete isn’t fitting in, he can transfer to another program and most likely get a scholarship to continue with his eligibility. If he is at a P5 school and can’t even find a landing spot at a FCS program, he’s not worthy of the free ride, and it’s time to move on with life. No job they will ever have will keep them on the payroll if they can’t fit the job description. College football has become a well compensated, 5 year job, so it seems perfectly ethical to treat it like any other.
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I have to agree, though it pains me to do so. Back in the 70's a quarter's tuition was about $250. Room and board were another $1000. Books were another $75 or so. So almost everything for under $1500 per quarter or $4500 per year. That's worth about $25K today - which is about a year's college at a state U. Beyond the scholie, the training costs for players soared, then came COA about 10 years ago, and then NIL a couple years ago. With those particularly, the value of the scholarship is far less than it is today. College football players are quite well remunerated for their talent and labors. Few players commit to the college for the college degree itself anymore - look at the fake degrees so many of these guys are getting. I'd like to see them taxed on these benefits to completely reveal the sham it has become.
 
jacket67 said:
I think the portal and NIL changes the ethics of processing players who underachieve. If an athlete isn’t fitting in, he can transfer to another program and most likely get a scholarship to continue with his eligibility. If he is at a P5 school and can’t even find a landing spot at a FCS program, he’s not worthy of the free ride, and it’s time to move on with life. No job they will ever have will keep them on the payroll if they can’t fit the job description. College football has become a well compensated, 5 year job, so it seems perfectly ethical to treat it like any other.
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stinger78 said:
I have to agree, though it pains me to do so. Back in the 70's a quarter's tuition was about $250. Room and board were another $1000. Books were another $75 or so. So almost everything for under $1500 per quarter or $4500 per year. That's worth about $25K today - which is about a year's college at a state U. Beyond the scholie, the training costs for players soared, then came COA about 10 years ago, and then NIL a couple years ago. With those particularly, the value of the scholarship is far less than it is today. College football players are quite well remunerated for their talent and labors. Few players commit to the college for the college degree itself anymore - look at the fake degrees so many of these guys are getting. I'd like to see them taxed on these benefits to completely reveal the sham it has become.
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Herein lies the issue that no one wants to seriously discuss. FBS college football is a professional business and it has very little to do with academics any more.

It has been for decades but the veil is now completely gone and we are now face to face with some of the ugly truths.

At the highest levels, amateur college athletics, particularly football and basketball, is dead.

The Georgia Institute of Technology as a whole is going to have to decide long term if it wants to participate in the professional business of major college sports. This business really has nothing to do with the mission of The Georgia Institute of Technology. It has become an unholy marriage.

Like dating a stripper. Might be fun to start with but long term it just isn't going to work.

The business of professional college sports has outgrown the mission of academia everywhere and eventually there is going to be a glaring schism that can't be bridged. It's just a matter of when the charade can no longer be ignored. I think it's close.

What will be done about it is anyone's guess, but eventually the cognitive dissonance of it all is going to rear its' ugly head. And it will probably be wearing a cowboy hat.
 
Buzzilla said:
Herein lies the issue that no one wants to seriously discuss. FBS college football is a professional business and it has very little to do with academics any more.

It has been for decades but the veil is now completely gone and we are now face to face with some of the ugly truths.

At the highest levels, amateur college athletics, particularly football and basketball, is dead.

The Georgia Institute of Technology as a whole is going to have to decide long term if it wants to participate in the professional business of major college sports. This business really has nothing to do with the mission of The Georgia Institute of Technology. It has become an unholy marriage.

Like dating a stripper. Might be fun to start with but long term it just isn't going to work.

The business of professional college sports has outgrown the mission of academia everywhere and eventually there is going to be a glaring schism that can't be bridged. It's just a matter of when the charade can no longer be ignored. I think it's close.

What will be done about it is anyone's guess, but eventually the cognitive dissonance of it all is going to rear its' ugly head. And it will probably be wearing a cowboy hat.
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this sounds like youre for guys like Deion then? or are you on the side of ditching sports at GT?
 
gt2690b said:
this sounds like youre for guys like Deion then? or are you on the side of ditching sports at GT?
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I'm in favor of being honest about what is going on. This was never really about Deion though I've made my opinion clear that I wouldn't have him as my head coach if given the choice.

Georgia Tech has always attempted to do the impossible when it comes to athletics and academics. In recent history, the closest Tech has come to doing both well was under Paul Johnson. But eventually the business of the game phased out his style of football through rule changes. In my opinion, Paul Johnson was sabotaged by the NCAA. The rules now clearly favor the football factories. The business of professional college football has prevailed. NIL, the transfer portal and the super conferences is just a further extension of that.

And now we are where we are. The gap between the factories and those programs like Tech trying to do the impossible has never been wider. I think it's terrible for college football and I think it's terrible for Georgia Tech. There are a lot of tough decisions ahead for every member of FBS football as to what they want for their own institutions and "student athletes".

Amateur athletics at the highest level is dead. It's fully a professional business now and all the cards are now on the table. Is Georgia Tech a professional sports program? Is that what the Institute wants?

If being a professional college football program means doing what Deion is doing at Colorado then I don't want any part of it. Tech will not win if it chooses that path any way. Too many other programs have more money and fewer scruples.

I hope CBK can bridge the gap. He is being asked to do the impossible. But we're Georgia Tech! We can do that!

Right?
 
ibeeballin said:
Absolutely and I’ve said that was Stansbury first, and maybe biggest mistake (outside of hiring him) was guaranteeing every scholarship when GC3. If you’re going to rebuild, let me do it my way. As we’ve learned with other programs and ours, there is 4-5 yrs to build a program. If you’re not ascending yr 3, you will be fired and CDS understands that
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I appreciate your honesty. I am not really sure how I feel about it. The new world with the transfer portal makes for a different dynamic that I am not sure I have fully grasped.
 
Buzzilla said:
Herein lies the issue that no one wants to seriously discuss. FBS college football is a professional business and it has very little to do with academics any more.

It has been for decades but the veil is now completely gone and we are now face to face with some of the ugly truths.

At the highest levels, amateur college athletics, particularly football and basketball, is dead.

The Georgia Institute of Technology as a whole is going to have to decide long term if it wants to participate in the professional business of major college sports. This business really has nothing to do with the mission of The Georgia Institute of Technology. It has become an unholy marriage.

Like dating a stripper. Might be fun to start with but long term it just isn't going to work.

The business of professional college sports has outgrown the mission of academia everywhere and eventually there is going to be a glaring schism that can't be bridged. It's just a matter of when the charade can no longer be ignored. I think it's close.

What will be done about it is anyone's guess, but eventually the cognitive dissonance of it all is going to rear its' ugly head. And it will probably be wearing a cowboy hat.
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You are spot on. Regarding GT, they have already decided that they want to be just another school going thru the motions. It’s been that way for decades as GT has never embraced or used the newest tools of the times to further our athletics programs. Think about it, GT fans ALWAYS revert to the “academic“ argument when academics haven’t been a part of college football or basketball since the 80’s. We are literally the only fanbase who uses excuses from another era to mask the incompetence of our administration. We have gone from a premier southern program in the SEC to a lower level ACC team because, outside of Homer Rice, we haven’t made the right decisions. Our history of decisions gone wrong is there for all to see. Meanwhile, the teams we were on par with 60 years ago who didn’t make decades worth of poor decisions are still viable - Bama, Auburn, Tenn, UGA, etc. Until we look in the mirror and realize we need to use the current tools to be better we’ll continue to fall further down the food chain. NIL is an incredible tool available to all to use yet most of our fanbase has spent the past 2 years acting as if other schools aren’t “doing it the right way” when they buy players.
 
ibeeballin said:
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My only - well my biggest issue with this idea is that it paints all college football players with the same brush. Some kids - maybe a lot of kids accept a scholly to play football in exchange for an education and that's it. And a fair number of those kids have no expectation of playing on Sunday. CDS conveniently (because it supports his narrative) characterizes ALL scholly players as professional and, therefore, subject to the same risks (of "unemployment") even tho they may not have any expectation of NIL or NFL. Sanders ran every kid off who he thought he could find a better replacement for and he's playing the "their professionals expecting to be treated like spoiled boarding school brats" card.

There is no brush wide enough to paint the entirety of kids playing college football. If all the kids on the pre-CDS roster were getting NIL and shopping themselves to the highest bidder then I have no problem with what CDS did. But anyone who is honest knows that there were a subset of kids who lived up to their scholarship obligations and expected nothing further. Those kids are now on the street and I daresay a subset of them can forget about getting a college degree without the support system CO provided.

But let's just forget about those kids - CDS won't get to cash in on his incentive bonuses with them around so hit the road kids.
 
00Burdell said:
My only - well my biggest issue with this idea is that it paints all college football players with the same brush. Some kids - maybe a lot of kids accept a scholly to play football in exchange for an education and that's it. And a fair number of those kids have no expectation of playing on Sunday. CDS conveniently (because it supports his narrative) characterizes ALL scholly players as professional and, therefore, subject to the same risks (of "unemployment") even tho they may not have any expectation of NIL or NFL. Sanders ran every kid off who he thought he could find a better replacement for and he's playing the "their professionals expecting to be treated like spoiled boarding school brats" card.

There is no brush wide enough to paint the entirety of kids playing college football. If all the kids on the pre-CDS roster were getting NIL and shopping themselves to the highest bidder then I have no problem with what CDS did. But anyone who is honest knows that there were a subset of kids who lived up to their scholarship obligations and expected nothing further. Those kids are now on the street and I daresay a subset of them can forget about getting a college degree without the support system CO provided.

But let's just forget about those kids - CDS won't get to cash in on his incentive bonuses with them around so hit the road kids.
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Absolutely spot on. This is why I think eventually the schools that want to actually recruit and play the game with S-A's who want a degree will split off and form another level of college ball. I see no reason whatsoever for GA Tech to feel like it has to follow the crowd here. We haven't left college football... college football has left us. Tech is still trying to do things in a way that keeps the game an amateur sport and allows for S-A's who want to represent the university on a competitive team to be true students as well.

I'll never back off from preferring that position. Yes, it has been drifting away from that model since the 1960's, really. It accelerated after 1984 with the TV court decision but has only broken into a full-on sprint toward professionalism in the past 10 years or so with all the NCAA and court decisions giving players more pay and "free agency." We have pro football with the NFL. IMPO... it sucks. I have no desire to support a college trying to be a minor-league pro football program. I do desire to watch and support college football.
 
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