Catchall Deion Sanders Thread

[Buzzilla]

My only - well my biggest issue with this idea is that it paints all college football players with the same brush. Some kids - maybe a lot of kids accept a scholly to play football in exchange for an education and that's it. And a fair number of those kids have no expectation of playing on Sunday. CDS conveniently (because it supports his narrative) characterizes ALL scholly players as professional and, therefore, subject to the same risks (of "unemployment") even tho they may not have any expectation of NIL or NFL. Sanders ran every kid off who he thought he could find a better replacement for and he's playing the "their professionals expecting to be treated like spoiled boarding school brats" card.

There is no brush wide enough to paint the entirety of kids playing college football. If all the kids on the pre-CDS roster were getting NIL and shopping themselves to the highest bidder then I have no problem with what CDS did. But anyone who is honest knows that there were a subset of kids who lived up to their scholarship obligations and expected nothing further. Those kids are now on the street and I daresay a subset of them can forget about getting a college degree without the support system CO provided.

But let's just forget about those kids - CDS won't get to cash in on his incentive bonuses with them around so hit the road kids.

And this highlights the problem with the new paradigm of professional college football. It's no longer for the student athlete. It's for professionals.

If this is the "new normal" for professional college football, Georgia Tech needs to think and act very carefully about what role the Institute should have in it as the upheaval continues and more and more programs are left behind.

The fallout has already started. The PAC-12 woes have led Washington State University to implement hiring freezes across all programs to address budget short falls. Expect more stories like this going forward.

It's not a fair playing field to funnel disproportionate TV money to the factories where they are now able to acquire the best paid professional athletes and pit them against true student athletes in programs with far, far smaller budgets. They use to call those hired pros "ringers" and they were disallowed for obvious reasons. Not anymore.

 

[ibeeballin]

My only - well my biggest issue with this idea is that it paints all college football players with the same brush. Some kids - maybe a lot of kids accept a scholly to play football in exchange for an education and that's it. And a fair number of those kids have no expectation of playing on Sunday. CDS conveniently (because it supports his narrative) characterizes ALL scholly players as professional and, therefore, subject to the same risks (of "unemployment") even tho they may not have any expectation of NIL or NFL. Sanders ran every kid off who he thought he could find a better replacement for and he's playing the "their professionals expecting to be treated like spoiled boarding school brats" card.

There is no brush wide enough to paint the entirety of kids playing college football. If all the kids on the pre-CDS roster were getting NIL and shopping themselves to the highest bidder then I have no problem with what CDS did. But anyone who is honest knows that there were a subset of kids who lived up to their scholarship obligations and expected nothing further. Those kids are now on the street and I daresay a subset of them can forget about getting a college degree without the support system CO provided.

But let's just forget about those kids - CDS won't get to cash in on his incentive bonuses with them around so hit the road kids.

I’m not sure how can you says it paints ALL as professional when it’s clearly states those receiving money.

Also, your last point is incorrect. Every kid wasn’t run off and those who didn’t like their options in the portal and finish their degree at no cost


“ 15.5.1.7 — is known as the “Aid After Departure of Head Coach” bylaw. Newly hired coaches can remove a player from their 85-man scholarship roster but keep them on scholarship as long as they stop playing”.

 

[stinger78]

And this highlights the problem with the new paradigm of professional college football. It's no longer for the student athlete. It's for professionals.

If this is the "new normal" for professional college football, Georgia Tech needs to think and act very carefully about what role the Institute should have in it as the upheaval continues and more and more programs are left behind.

The fallout has already started. The PAC-12 woes have led Washington State University to implement hiring freezes across all programs to address budget short falls. Expect more stories like this going forward.

It's not a fair playing field to funnel disproportionate TV money to the factories where they are now able to acquire the best paid professional athletes and pit them against true student athletes in programs with far, far smaller budgets. They use to call those hired pros "ringers" and they were disallowed for obvious reasons. Not anymore.

And for those who think they want "professional" college sports, remember this: In the pros, when support wanes, they move away. That's the next step in market economics. Do we really want to apply it to college athletics in this way?

 

[ibeeballin]

And for those who think they want "professional" college sports, remember this: In the pros, when support wanes, they move away. That's the next step in market economics. Do we really want to apply it to college athletics in this way?

We really need to stop the extremism

 

[gtleviathan]

I’m not sure how can you says it paints ALL as professional when it’s clearly states those receiving money.

Also, your last point is incorrect. Every kid wasn’t run off and those who didn’t like their options in the portal and finish their degree at no cost


“ 15.5.1.7 — is known as the “Aid After Departure of Head Coach” bylaw. Newly hired coaches can remove a player from their 85-man scholarship roster but keep them on scholarship as long as they stop playing”.

Is that rule mandatory or can the head coach choose not to offer it to save athletic funds?

 

[ibeeballin]

Is that rule mandatory or can the head coach choose not to offer it to save athletic funds?

From my understanding, it’s mandatory in a coaching transition only

 

[stinger78]

We really need to stop the extremism

OK, if I'm reading this right, then we do not want to run college football by true market capitalism? If not, then there is a legitimately debatable point in the middle somewhere that we want to be... theoretically? IOW, we want some market capitalism, but not free reign. That sounds like what we've had for decades.

However, the NCAA, in the midst of the rising tide of TV money and admin/coaches salaries, and out of fear of litigation and court intervention, began to loosen the reigns of player remuneration about 10 years ago with COA. Then they loosened the reigns of player control about 5 years ago with the portal. It didn't work - the SCOTUS still ruled they could not prohibit NIL. Now the NCAA, out of fear of litigation, refuses to control NIL.

Is the NCAA's approach just to back off and let the water find its own level? Are we good with that? Is that good for the game of college football?

 

[1982Jacket]

OK, if I'm reading this right, then we do not want to run college football by true market capitalism? If not, then there is a legitimately debatable point in the middle somewhere that we want to be... theoretically? IOW, we want some market capitalism, but not free reign. That sounds like what we've had for decades.

However, the NCAA, in the midst of the rising tide of TV money and admin/coaches salaries, and out of fear of litigation and court intervention, began to loosen the reigns of player remuneration about 10 years ago with COA. Then they loosened the reigns of player control about 5 years ago with the portal. It didn't work - the SCOTUS still ruled they could not prohibit NIL. Now the NCAA, out of fear of litigation, refuses to control NIL.

Is the NCAA's approach just to back off and let the water find its own level? Are we good with that? Is that good for the game of college football?

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[vapspwi]

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JRjr

 

[WracerX]

The ncaa can’t seem to grasp the attraction of their position. It is about having a nationwide product that half of America has a connection with.

College BB used to be a much bigger draw than it is now. The ncaa wrecked that by allowing the one and dones. That severed the connection the alumni had with their favorite teams. I know some huge Kentucky fans (back in the day). They gritted their teeth when Calipari came in and got them a title. “It’s the way the game is played now” they said. A decade later, they give two öööös what UK does. Those are just AA basketball players. And the interest matches their status. B-league to the real game in the nba.

Football is marching down the same path. Who cares what Bama or uga or Ohio State has the 33rd best team in the nation (and not even competitive with the 32nd team). Those players don’t represent your university any more than some guy playing on the Nashville Sounds. He is jumping ship at the first interest from a real league.

Espn is bleeding money because interest in college football is waining instead of growing.

 

[andrew]

The ncaa wrecked that by allowing the one and dones.

Wasn't that the result of NBA refusing to accept players out of HS? How could the NCAA prevent one and dones? It's not like they can force a kid to stay a second year.

 

[stinger78]

Wasn't that the result of NBA refusing to accept players out of HS? How could the NCAA prevent one and dones? It's not like they can force a kid to stay a second year.

IMO, the way to restore college sports is for a league to be built for all the college-age players who want to play ball but not be a college student.

NFL football is crapping all over college football by not spending money on a minor league system. You're right, there's little that college can do about it. If there is no other option for those players, they'll pretend to be college students for 2-3 years, at the easiest place they can find, and then jump off. The result is what we have - the factories, who don't care about academics, will keep athletes in crappy little easy majors that have no real meaning, to keep them "eligible" to play as long as they will stay. The only answer was to turn athletic scholarships into 4-year contracts, but that cuts both ways and AA's don't want that either. The NBA is similar in that the D-league is really only for post-college players who need work to make an NBA roster. It's not for players out of HS who don't want to go to college.

 

[Buzzilla]

IMO, the way to restore college sports is for a league to be built for all the college-age players who want to play ball but not be a college student.

NFL football is crapping all over college football by not spending money on a minor league system. You're right, there's little that college can do about it. If there is no other option for those players, they'll pretend to be college students for 2-3 years, at the easiest place they can find, and then jump off. The result is what we have - the factories, who don't care about academics, will keep athletes in crappy little easy majors that have no real meaning, to keep them "eligible" to play as long as they will stay. The only answer was to turn athletic scholarships into 4-year contracts, but that cuts both ways and AA's don't want that either. The NBA is similar in that the D-league is really only for post-college players who need work to make an NBA roster. It's not for players out of HS who don't want to go to college.

I'm not at all sure how what I am about to say is even remotely related to your post, but.... Stetson Bennet spent something like 7 years in college, is 25 and didn't graduate. No degree. Currently with the LA Rams.

Maybe it's time for Georgia Tech to reconsider it's place in all of this mess.

 

[Nehru Jacket]

IMO, the way to restore college sports is for a league to be built for all the college-age players who want to play ball but not be a college student.

NFL football is crapping all over college football by not spending money on a minor league system. You're right, there's little that college can do about it. If there is no other option for those players, they'll pretend to be college students for 2-3 years, at the easiest place they can find, and then jump off. The result is what we have - the factories, who don't care about academics, will keep athletes in crappy little easy majors that have no real meaning, to keep them "eligible" to play as long as they will stay. The only answer was to turn athletic scholarships into 4-year contracts, but that cuts both ways and AA's don't want that either. The NBA is similar in that the D-league is really only for post-college players who need work to make an NBA roster. It's not for players out of HS who don't want to go to college.

I think college football is very happy to be the minor league of the NFL. If the NFL had a minor league such as professional baseball does, immediately the quality and TV dollars for college football would start going down.

 

[juraitwaluzka]

I think college football is very happy to be the minor league of the NFL. If the NFL had a minor league such as professional baseball does, immediately the quality and TV dollars for college football would start going down.

Maybe, but how many viewers would an NFL minor league actually draw? I'm skeptical because every other non-NFL pro league has failed to even make a dent, and it's not like minor league baseball is a big attraction, but then again neither is college baseball so who knows.

There has to be some more compelling reason than uniform cheering, college football gives many people a connection to something that they've been following their whole lives.

 

[ClubSeats]

Maybe, but how many viewers would an NFL minor league actually draw? I'm skeptical because every other non-NFL pro league has failed to even make a dent, and it's not like minor league baseball is a big attraction, but then again neither is college baseball so who knows.

There has to be some more compelling reason than uniform cheering, college football gives many people a connection to something that they've been following their whole lives.

Just look at the NBA D or G league or whatever they call it

 

[juraitwaluzka]

Just look at the NBA D or G league or whatever they call it

I had never even heard of that until one of the kids from the local high school recently started playing in that league. They're saying he might go high in the NBA draft, it was definitely fun seeing him play in high school, he was one that was clearly better than everyone else, even as a junior which is when I saw him play.

Scoot Henderson - The NBA G League

Scoot Henderson (born February 3, 2004) is a guard for G League Ignite. A five-star recruit from the class of 2022, Henderson finished his high school coursework more than 1.5 years early to join Ignite. He was the top point guard and No. 7 overall prospect in the ESPN Top 100 prior to...

gleague.nba.com

 

[WracerX]

Wasn't that the result of NBA refusing to accept players out of HS? How could the NCAA prevent one and dones? It's not like they can force a kid to stay a second year.

The NBA policies were part of the equation, but the ncaa could have gone with 3 year scholarships. That would have drastically changed recruiting.

 

[andrew]

IMO, the way to restore college sports is for a league to be built for all the college-age players who want to play ball but not be a college student.

NFL football is crapping all over college football by not spending money on a minor league system. You're right, there's little that college can do about it. If there is no other option for those players, they'll pretend to be college students for 2-3 years, at the easiest place they can find, and then jump off. The result is what we have - the factories, who don't care about academics, will keep athletes in crappy little easy majors that have no real meaning, to keep them "eligible" to play as long as they will stay. The only answer was to turn athletic scholarships into 4-year contracts, but that cuts both ways and AA's don't want that either. The NBA is similar in that the D-league is really only for post-college players who need work to make an NBA roster. It's not for players out of HS who don't want to go to college.

The other problem is that while we as fans are discussing the best way to keep college football at least somewhat amateur and separate from professional football -- almost no one involved with college football wants that.

Fans bemoan the influence of money but coaches and administrators are counting the dollars as they roll in. Sure some coaches may give lip service to the way the game is changing, but when it comes down to it none of them are going to give up the millions these changes are giving them. And to be fair almost no one would.

If I had a choice between college football becoming professional and me making $5 million/year to coach it versus spinning off a minor league and me making $500k/year to coach in "real" college football...I'm taking the $5 million/year and kissing goodbye to amateurism. Happy to share the money and benefits with the players as long as it's making me rich too.

 

[juraitwaluzka]

The other problem is that while we as fans are discussing the best way to keep college football at least somewhat amateur and separate from professional football -- almost no one involved with college football wants that.

In the end, this may simply be indicative of the human condition. It seems very similar to the political landscape for example, which makes sense as the college football machine fundamentally probably isn't much different than the political machine, just yet another corrupt institution we have invented.