Catchall Deion Sanders Thread

Odds that Game Day will be there on September 9th? 1:1?
 
I was so all in for primetime when the clown was fired. I thought we were at a low point with bad coaches, no talent and no hope for the future. At the time, I thought prime would be the fastest way to change our image and get talent to come play for Tech. I didn't and still don't know if he can coach, but at the time I felt we had nothing to lose so let's roll the dice.

When Key took over and we instantly looked like a completely different team, it started to change my opinion. It really showed how much of the problem the clown was. The team looked more disciplined, more talented, more athletic and won four of the last eight. It no longer looked like a good bet to go with primetime.

I am excited about the future with Key and think it was the right hire. I was really impressed with what he did taking over the mess he inherited and look forward to what he can accomplish with a full off-season.

With that being said, he was part of the mess he inherited but it looks like clown had all the other coaches handcuffed.

Also,. I was in a bar in South Ga and the Colorado spring game was on TV. Many Tech ACC games aren't even on TV so there is a value to having primetime as the coach. Guess we'll never know if it would have translated into wins or a disaster if he would have come to Tech.
 
Tshirt Man said:
Also,. I was in a bar in South Ga and the Colorado spring game was on TV. Many Tech ACC games aren't even on TV so there is a value to having primetime as the coach. Guess we'll never know if it would have translated into wins or a disaster if he would have come to Tech.
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There is a very narrow and limited value to having Deion Sanders as your head coach. That's why things like spring game exposure have to be cited rather than the colossal explosion in talent and culture and magical instant cash money everyone seems to believe he brings.

I can 100% understand buying hype, wanting to believe, etc., and obviously it sounds great, being selected as the launching pad for what will surely be a hall of fame career, soaked through with championship champagne and every kind of juice anyone could want. And who knows, if we didn't do anything to make him mad, maybe he'd come back at the end of his career for a season or two and give us something to be excited about while we suffer through yet another decade of the NCAA sanctions we were hammered with about a month after he bolted for ööööing Florida State.
 
The Jacket said:
There is a very narrow and limited value to having Deion Sanders as your head coach. That's why things like spring game exposure have to be cited rather than the colossal explosion in talent and culture and magical instant cash money everyone seems to believe he brings.

I can 100% understand buying hype, wanting to believe, etc., and obviously it sounds great, being selected as the launching pad for what will surely be a hall of fame career, soaked through with championship champagne and every kind of juice anyone could want. And who knows, if we didn't do anything to make him mad, maybe he'd come back at the end of his career for a season or two and give us something to be excited about while we suffer through yet another decade of the NCAA sanctions we were hammered with about a month after he bolted for ööööing Florida State.
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I have no idea on the talent he brought to Colorado. I haven't paid any attention to it other than just seeing the headlines that pop up. One of the headlines was that they have already sold out season tickets so he is bringing in some money.

He may never win a another game as a coach or he could end up being a hall of fame coach. I don't know and don't care at this point. He is a huge gamble. Leading up to and shortly after the clown getting canned, I thought it was worth the gamble because we had nothing left to lose. The change post clown leads me to believe that we weren't as bad as I thought and he was no longer worth the gamble.
 
Bigcry if you want, I'm not disparaging anyone for riding the prime time train. I'm disparaging the train, because it's a stupid train and it's obviously going to crash and I don't want to be anywhere near it.
 
I don't begrudge Prime any success. I am glad with what we have. Like others have said, Colorado was in a bigger ditch than us so they aren't risking much by taking a stab at it. Their program has never been a pillar of virtue anyway.
 
Colorado will win 3 games a year and fire him mid season in his 4th season.
reading their spring practice write up, he’ a the celebrity version of Goof. No evidence he can coach.
 
JJacket said:
We could have named Taylor Swift as our HC and gotten 50k. Doesn't mean she can coach.
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This is what all the passengers on the Prime Train don't get.

This is what I like to call the old Bobby Bowden coaching model. He was a figurehead for most of the last half of his tenure as HC. He had a recognizable name at an established winning program and toward the end he basically just closed the deal on recruits and let the assistant coaches run the program. It worked until it didn't.

I believe this is what CGC was trying to do. Be the HC as in the Head Cheerleader. Do all the rah, rah sh*t, handstands on the rails, selling sand in the bleachers, all of the "branding" crap and let the assistants run the hard stuff. But everyone was in over their heads.

It remains to be seen if "Coach Prime" can pull off the Head Cheerleader game. He's got a whole new set of assistants that, at least on paper, are better than what CGC started with. Sean Lewis is the OC and he was the HC at Kent State and had a very successful offense. Charles Kelly is the DC and most here should know who he is. Both of these, on paper, appear to be very good hires. Certainly better than what CGC started with.

As everyone here knows, the "Head Cheerleader" eventually has to show something more than the rah, rah stuff. I don't think the "Head Cheerleader" model works. It worked for Bobby Bowden for a time because he built the success first and then delegated much of the hard work. I don't think you can just install a popular celebrity figurehead with a Louis Vuitton bag full of platitudes into a very broken down program and then hope the assistants can successfully run the ship.

The buck stops with the HC when you have to defend the results on the field. And there isn't any rah, rah crap that will save you from bad results. Coach "Prime" is busy selling all the "upside" to where he thinks they are going without doing any management of expectations for the near term. How soon will the media turn on him after they get blown out in a bunch of their games next year? How quickly will Coach "Prime" throw the staff and players under the bus? How quickly will some of those fickle prima dona 4 and 5 stars hit the portal when they have to face real competition during a Boulder Colorado winter?

The saving grace is that Colorado was a disaster before "Prime" got there. Hard to do worse than 1-11. Reality hits September 2 in Fort Worth vs TCU. A team that probably would like nothing better than to try and erase the memory of their annihilation by the mutts. Should be interesting.
 
Buzzilla said:
This is what all the passengers on the Prime Train don't get.

This is what I like to call the old Bobby Bowden coaching model. He was a figurehead for most of the last half of his tenure as HC. He had a recognizable name at an established winning program and toward the end he basically just closed the deal on recruits and let the assistant coaches run the program. It worked until it didn't.

I believe this is what CGC was trying to do. Be the HC as in the Head Cheerleader. Do all the rah, rah sh*t, handstands on the rails, selling sand in the bleachers, all of the "branding" crap and let the assistants run the hard stuff. But everyone was in over their heads.

It remains to be seen if "Coach Prime" can pull off the Head Cheerleader game. He's got a whole new set of assistants that, at least on paper, are better than what CGC started with. Sean Lewis is the OC and he was the HC at Kent State and had a very successful offense. Charles Kelly is the DC and most here should know who he is. Both of these, on paper, appear to be very good hires. Certainly better than what CGC started with.

As everyone here knows, the "Head Cheerleader" eventually has to show something more than the rah, rah stuff. I don't think the "Head Cheerleader" model works. It worked for Bobby Bowden for a time because he built the success first and then delegated much of the hard work. I don't think you can just install a popular celebrity figurehead with a Louis Vuitton bag full of platitudes into a very broken down program and then hope the assistants can successfully run the ship.

The buck stops with the HC when you have to defend the results on the field. And there isn't any rah, rah crap that will save you from bad results. Coach "Prime" is busy selling all the "upside" to where he thinks they are going without doing any management of expectations for the near term. How soon will the media turn on him after they get blown out in a bunch of their games next year? How quickly will Coach "Prime" throw the staff and players under the bus? How quickly will some of those fickle prima dona 4 and 5 stars hit the portal when they have to face real competition during a Boulder Colorado winter?

The saving grace is that Colorado was a disaster before "Prime" got there. Hard to do worse than 1-11. Reality hits September 2 in Fort Worth vs TCU. A team that probably would like nothing better than to try and erase the memory of their annihilation by the mutts. Should be interesting.
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Are you saying Geoff the Head Cheerleader wasn't responsible for the soft practice routines? If not, then which assistant coach that was in over their head was? Certainly wasn't Key.
 
ee8384 said:
Are you saying Geoff the Head Cheerleader wasn't responsible for the soft practice routines? If not, then which assistant coach that was in over their head was? Certainly wasn't Key.
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The cheerleader was definitely responsible for the soft practice routines, the soft play, and the general way in which everything was run. I expect cheerleader "Prime" will have a different general philosophy but the few clips I saw from their spring game didn't leave me with the sense that toughness is a priority. I heard a lot of the same platitudes about "effort" from Head Cheerleader Prime in the post game spring game presser that you would expect from Head Cheerleader Collins. Not a good sign.
 
JJacket said:
We could have named Taylor Swift as our HC and gotten 50k. Doesn't mean she can coach.
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Indeed.

But if you're drawing 45K to spring games and selling out your stadium before the season is even close to starting, then it's total bull öööö to poor mouth like some some dumb öööös here that you couldn't afford him. He pays for himself.

Now there are legit arguments to be made that he won't turn out to be a successful head coach at Colorado, or that he wouldn't have been a successful head coach here. Fine. That is TBD. But all the poor mouth LOSER dip öööös who were saying that Tech just couldn't afford to pay him $5 million can go sit on a rusty nail.
 
Buzzilla said:
This is what all the passengers on the Prime Train don't get.

This is what I like to call the old Bobby Bowden coaching model. He was a figurehead for most of the last half of his tenure as HC. He had a recognizable name at an established winning program and toward the end he basically just closed the deal on recruits and let the assistant coaches run the program. It worked until it didn't.

I believe this is what CGC was trying to do. Be the HC as in the Head Cheerleader. Do all the rah, rah sh*t, handstands on the rails, selling sand in the bleachers, all of the "branding" crap and let the assistants run the hard stuff. But everyone was in over their heads.

It remains to be seen if "Coach Prime" can pull off the Head Cheerleader game. He's got a whole new set of assistants that, at least on paper, are better than what CGC started with. Sean Lewis is the OC and he was the HC at Kent State and had a very successful offense. Charles Kelly is the DC and most here should know who he is. Both of these, on paper, appear to be very good hires. Certainly better than what CGC started with.

As everyone here knows, the "Head Cheerleader" eventually has to show something more than the rah, rah stuff. I don't think the "Head Cheerleader" model works. It worked for Bobby Bowden for a time because he built the success first and then delegated much of the hard work. I don't think you can just install a popular celebrity figurehead with a Louis Vuitton bag full of platitudes into a very broken down program and then hope the assistants can successfully run the ship.

The buck stops with the HC when you have to defend the results on the field. And there isn't any rah, rah crap that will save you from bad results. Coach "Prime" is busy selling all the "upside" to where he thinks they are going without doing any management of expectations for the near term. How soon will the media turn on him after they get blown out in a bunch of their games next year? How quickly will Coach "Prime" throw the staff and players under the bus? How quickly will some of those fickle prima dona 4 and 5 stars hit the portal when they have to face real competition during a Boulder Colorado winter?

The saving grace is that Colorado was a disaster before "Prime" got there. Hard to do worse than 1-11. Reality hits September 2 in Fort Worth vs TCU. A team that probably would like nothing better than to try and erase the memory of their annihilation by the mutts. Should be interesting.
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By my understanding, this is the opposite of what happened. GC3 acted like a cheerleader in chief, but he was a micromanager.

Great example: Taisun was never shown the playbook and was told to focus on his S&C. That's why you never saw him until a little after GC3 was canned.

The fact the same assistant coaches went 4-4 with 2 ranked road wins after GC3 was gone speaks to this.
 
Flywheel said:
By my understanding, this is the opposite of what happened. GC3 acted like a cheerleader in chief, but he was a micromanager.

Great example: Taisun was never shown the playbook and was told to focus on his S&C. That's why you never saw him until a little after GC3 was canned.

The fact the same assistant coaches went 4-4 with 2 ranked road wins after GC3 was gone speaks to this.
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Seriously? Gef accepted a transfer QB and wasn't teaching him the play book? It will be years before we fully comprehend the depth of mismanagement of his reign.
 
Flywheel said:
By my understanding, this is the opposite of what happened. GC3 acted like a cheerleader in chief, but he was a micromanager.

Great example: Taisun was never shown the playbook and was told to focus on his S&C. That's why you never saw him until a little after GC3 was canned.

The fact the same assistant coaches went 4-4 with 2 ranked road wins after GC3 was gone speaks to this.
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Since the product on the field sucked and all I ever saw him do was blather in platitudes and emotional pablum I assumed he had no actual knowledge about what was wrong or how to fix any of it. I stopped listening to him sometime in year 2 when I realized he had nothing meaningful to say. When I did listen I don't recall him ever once explaining in any kind of technical fashion what was going on or any real measurable way how it might be remedied.

CPJ use to give you quite a lot of the X's and O's from time to time. Nothing but rah, rah's from the head cheerleader GC. He obviously had some really important things he put a lot of energy into like how the team picks up the locker room after a humiliating loss or measuring how much effort and intensity you are putting into jumping up and down on the sideline. You know all that important stuff.
 
Buzzilla said:
And there goes another one.
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Dang, the only thing I saw of the Colorado spring game was when I tuned in as it was ending and they were asking Shedder about Montana and how good he is.

Is it a case of having a great spring game, entering the portal, and hoping USC calls?
 
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