CFB will be the NFL

[USCJacket]

CFB will never be the NFL even if it wanted to be. If the NFL thought for 1 second that CFB was pulling revenue from them, the league would squash CFB simply by saying they won't draft college players.

The only reason CFB is still a thing is because it would be more expensive for the league to setup and maintain farm teams.

This thread is dumb.

Actually this is 100% false. CFB is as close to an NFL model as it gets. P4 CFB will soon mimic the NFL in one major way…..Contracts. Players will soon get contracts, locking them in for 2,3,4 years or else they lose collective $$$. So like the NFL, they will be contract employees who cannot renegotiate a deal until a certain point in the contract. So if the player leaves on their own, they get nothing from the collective they are leaving.

These millionaires giving $$$ to collectives to sign players (ex. Ewers at tOSU, Texas Dante Moore UCLA, Oregon) will not put up with 1 and done‘s with no ROI for very long.

 

[gambler]

Actually this is 100% false. CFB is as close to an NFL model as it gets. P4 CFB will soon mimic the NFL in one major way…..Contracts. Players will soon get contracts, locking them in for 2,3,4 years or else they lose collective $$$. So like the NFL, they will be contract employees who cannot renegotiate a deal until a certain point in the contract. So if the player leaves on their own, they get nothing from the collective they are leaving.

These millionaires giving $$$ to collectives to sign players (ex. Ewers at tOSU, Texas Dante Moore UCLA, Oregon) will not put up with 1 and done‘s with no ROI for very long.

It's still not pulling fans away from Sunday, Monday, and Thursday and never will. Otherwise it will just get squashed like I said.

 

[THWUGA]

I’ve been saying all along that the solution for CFB is a draft. Now that player are getting paid, we absolutely have to have a draft.

Yep, and a salary cap.

Unfortunately these rules will probably only apply to the "haves", and it's looking more and more like GT will be a have-not.

 

[Skydog]

Yep, and a salary cap.

Unfortunately these rules will probably only apply to the "haves", and it's looking more and more like GT will be a have-not.

yep. SEC/B10 Draft. Everyone else signs lettover free agents.

 

[midatlantech]

The SEC:Big Trn could easily ignore the four year term and switch to unlimited years, recruit the players out of hs, and sign them to deals by Fall of the players first year. And you have full out NFL football. In every example the SEC/BigTen have gone for the money, why stop now. And let’s also realize, any player can sue for limiting their work to four years…the Big/SEC really don’t have to do anything.

 

[coit]

Yep, and a salary cap.

Unfortunately these rules will probably only apply to the "haves", and it's looking more and more like GT will be a have-not.

If you have a draft, you don’t really need a salary cap. Drafts could also come with minimum 2 year commitments, or a rule I like better would be that players moving via the portal to a new team will mean that the team they transfer to has to give up a compensating draft pick to the team they left.

 

[USCJacket]

It's still not pulling fans away from Sunday, Monday, and Thursday and never will. Otherwise it will just get squashed like I said.

You’re talking out of both sides of your mouth now, but sure. If you truly think the NFL would try and create a farm league, because ”CFB poses a threat” you’re the only one thinking in those terms. They will never get the fan support or revenue of CFB. Fact is, CFB would dominate a NFL farm system in terms of ratings and overall fan support. There’s a reason why the Spring football leagues have come and gone numerous times. Hell, look at the failed venture the NFL supported in NFL Europe.

The NFL knows they have a free farm system in CFB now, and they will not try and mess with it.

CFB is the #2 sport in the country, and while most of us may follow both, there is a large % of fans who only care about one or the other.

 

[GTLiebs]

Actually this is 100% false. CFB is as close to an NFL model as it gets. P4 CFB will soon mimic the NFL in one major way…..Contracts. Players will soon get contracts, locking them in for 2,3,4 years or else they lose collective $$$. So like the NFL, they will be contract employees who cannot renegotiate a deal until a certain point in the contract. So if the player leaves on their own, they get nothing from the collective they are leaving.

These millionaires giving $$$ to collectives to sign players (ex. Ewers at tOSU, Texas Dante Moore UCLA, Oregon) will not put up with 1 and done‘s with no ROI for very long.

Do these contract actually exist right now or are you just pulling that out your ass?

 

[USCJacket]

Do these contract actually exist right now or are you just pulling that out your ass?

How about reading what is said before asking the question? They are coming sooner rather than later. Just read what’s being written / listen to CFB shows. Hence the comment above (I’ll repost for you):

”These millionaires giving $$$ to collectives to sign players (ex. Ewers at tOSU, Texas Dante Moore UCLA, Oregon) will not put up with 1 and done‘s with no ROI for very long.”

It’s the next step (contracts) to get the sport back under control. It will prevent 1 and done’s and into the Portal. Contacts will allow teams to start building rosters again.

 

[Nehru Jacket]

You’re talking out of both sides of your mouth now, but sure. If you truly think the NFL would try and create a farm league, because ”CFB poses a threat” you’re the only one thinking in those terms. They will never get the fan support or revenue of CFB. Fact is, CFB would dominate a NFL farm system in terms of ratings and overall fan support. There’s a reason why the Spring football leagues have come and gone numerous times. Hell, look at the failed venture the NFL supported in NFL Europe.

The NFL knows they have a free farm system in CFB now, and they will not try and mess with it.

CFB is the #2 sport in the country, and while most of us may follow both, there is a large % of fans who only care about one or the other.

What would be your guess of % of fans nationwide that like both? I would guess 50% like both with 30% only college and 20% only pro. If you are outside of the southeast it may be 30% pro only and 20% college only.

 

[gambler]

You’re talking out of both sides of your mouth now, but sure. If you truly think the NFL would try and create a farm league, because ”CFB poses a threat” you’re the only one thinking in those terms. They will never get the fan support or revenue of CFB. Fact is, CFB would dominate a NFL farm system in terms of ratings and overall fan support. There’s a reason why the Spring football leagues have come and gone numerous times. Hell, look at the failed venture the NFL supported in NFL Europe.

The NFL knows they have a free farm system in CFB now, and they will not try and mess with it.

CFB is the #2 sport in the country, and while most of us may follow both, there is a large % of fans who only care about one or the other.

You just like to argue to hear yourself and that is fine but you don't know what you're talking about.

The Dallas Cowboys alone are worth more than all 135 collegiate teams COMBINED. The Bengals are the lowest value NFL team and they are about 12x more valuable than the Longhorns. Every other pro franchise in between.

The second the NFL starts to even feel like CFB is encroaching on their income. They will end it by drafting elsewhere. I already stated why it continues and you agreed.

College will never be the NFL implement as many features or similarities as they want. It is simply allowed to exist by the NFL. Quite frankly, to return CFB to it's former glory, it would be better if the NFL would quit drafting from colleges. Then we could return to amateur competition.

 

[RoanokeJacket]

The second the NFL starts to even feel like CFB is encroaching on their income. They will end it by drafting elsewhere.

Where? 18 year olds are not physically developed so who is going to pay to give them something to do for 2 or 3 years at least where NO revenue is generated? Nobody is going to give a öööö about a bunch of farm teams.

 

[USCJacket]

You just like to argue to hear yourself and that is fine but you don't know what you're talking about.

The Dallas Cowboys alone are worth more than all 135 collegiate teams COMBINED. The Bengals are the lowest value NFL team and they are about 12x more valuable than the Longhorns. Every other pro franchise in between.

The second the NFL starts to even feel like CFB is encroaching on their income. They will end it by drafting elsewhere. I already stated why it continues and you agreed.

College will never be the NFL implement as many features or similarities as they want. It is simply allowed to exist by the NFL. Quite frankly, to return CFB to it's former glory, it would be better if the NFL would quit drafting from colleges. Then we could return to amateur competition.

None of this means anything as it relates to the value of a pro franchise vs a CFB program. You are trying to say the NFL could create a farm system bypassing CFB completely. That would be a complete disaster for the NFL from a financial and PR perspective.

Fall and Spring “pro” leagues have failed time after time. If you truly think the NFL can somehow squash 100,000 fans from going to tOSU, Michigan, Tennessee etc every Saturday to instead watch the Atlanta Falcons farm team (ex. Birmingham Stallions) thats a very minority opinion. CFB is king in the Southeast. Vast majority of CFB fans care significantly less about the Falcons, Bucs, Panthers compared to Alabama, LSU, Clemson, FSU, etc. Attendance figures and size of the stadiums are proof of that.

Roger Goodell isn’t going to take his ball and go home by losing free player development (CFB) to acquire a boat load of debt by creating an NFL farm system, just because CFB implements rules & regulations from the NFL.

Please provide details of what time period you would consider CFB glory? By all accounts, attendance + TV, is showing that time is now.

 

[USCJacket]

What would be your guess of % of fans nationwide that like both? I would guess 50% like both with 30% only college and 20% only pro. If you are outside of the southeast it may be 30% pro only and 20% college only.

Your numbers look pretty good. I’d say CFB % is higher over the NFL by a significant margin in the SE, while it’s completely flipped in the NE. MW is probably pretty close to one another. West coast is heavy NFL over CFB.

 

[GTLiebs]

None of this means anything as it relates to the value of a pro franchise vs a CFB program. You are trying to say the NFL could create a farm system bypassing CFB completely. That would be a complete disaster for the NFL from a financial and PR perspective.

Fall and Spring “pro” leagues have failed time after time. If you truly think the NFL can somehow squash 100,000 fans from going to tOSU, Michigan, Tennessee etc every Saturday to instead watch the Atlanta Falcons farm team (ex. Birmingham Stallions) thats a very minority opinion. CFB is king in the Southeast. Vast majority of CFB fans care significantly less about the Falcons, Bucs, Panthers compared to Alabama, LSU, Clemson, FSU, etc. Attendance figures and size of the stadiums are proof of that.

Roger Goodell isn’t going to take his ball and go home by losing free player development (CFB) to acquire a boat load of debt by creating an NFL farm system, just because CFB implements rules & regulations from the NFL.

Please provide details of what time period you would consider CFB glory? By all accounts, attendance + TV, is showing that time is now.

If the NFL wanted to take shots at the college programs, they would just start playing games on Saturday in addition to Sunday. Won't say whether it would work out for them or not, but that would be the way to go about it.

 

[juraitwaluzka]

I fully support a draft, that would probably be the best thing that could happen to all these players long term. And by draft I mean, of course, 4 years straight into the ööööing military. Go earn your god-damned stipes with some meaningful work assholes.

 

[gambler]

None of this means anything as it relates to the value of a pro franchise vs a CFB program. You are trying to say the NFL could create a farm system bypassing CFB completely. That would be a complete disaster for the NFL from a financial and PR perspective.

Fall and Spring “pro” leagues have failed time after time. If you truly think the NFL can somehow squash 100,000 fans from going to tOSU, Michigan, Tennessee etc every Saturday to instead watch the Atlanta Falcons farm team (ex. Birmingham Stallions) thats a very minority opinion. CFB is king in the Southeast. Vast majority of CFB fans care significantly less about the Falcons, Bucs, Panthers compared to Alabama, LSU, Clemson, FSU, etc. Attendance figures and size of the stadiums are proof of that.

Roger Goodell isn’t going to take his ball and go home by losing free player development (CFB) to acquire a boat load of debt by creating an NFL farm system, just because CFB implements rules & regulations from the NFL.

Please provide details of what time period you would consider CFB glory? By all accounts, attendance + TV, is showing that time is now.

You missed the entire post twice. No the NFL isn't going to start a farm league because college is doing their work for free. But CFB also isn't taking money from the NFL coffers either.

The whole original post says that if the NFL thinks CFB is taking money from them, they will simply quit drafting players from college and the college game is done period, at least in a highly competitive sense.

The NFL is the pinnacle of football talent and payday and the NFL will always maintain that. This is why CFB will never be the NFL.

 

[USCJacket]

You missed the entire post twice. No the NFL isn't going to start a farm league because college is doing their work for free. But CFB also isn't taking money from the NFL coffers either.

The whole original post says that if the NFL thinks CFB is taking money from them, they will simply quit drafting players from college and the college game is done period, at least in a highly competitive sense.

The NFL is the pinnacle of football talent and payday and the NFL will always maintain that. This is why CFB will never be the NFL.

Your argument holds no water in this case. If the NFL told CFB they would no longer draft CFB players, this would completely dilute the NFL Draft to the point where NFL teams would then be looking at CFL, new Spring leagues for players. For all the power the NFL has, CFB has all the leverage as it relates to future pro talent. There is literally 0% chance the NFL drafts players right out HS. Not a single owner, GM, or coaching staff would ever allow for the NFL to make such a drastic decision.

 

[USCJacket]

If the NFL wanted to take shots at the college programs, they would just start playing games on Saturday in addition to Sunday. Won't say whether it would work out for them or not, but that would be the way to go about it.

Agreed. And I think the NFL knows they don’t have enough quality games to fill Thursday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday time-slots. 16 total games on non-bye weeks. Even with 1 Thursday, Monday and 7 each Saturday, Sunday (3 at 1, 3 at 4, 1 at 8) on non-bye weeks, networks would really be relying on quality games or else people would be switching to something else.

CFB provides Thursday-Saturday late night with a plethora of options. Something the NFL cannot compete with. Quantity & quality across a lot of networks.

 

[GT98]

Quantity & quality across a lot of networks.

Quantity sure, quality no. Playing field is too lopsided for most CFB games to be entertaining for anyone other than that team’s fans.

Of course, college football has 4 x teams, so lots of TV inventory.